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To want to settle a generation gap argument: older (female) relative is saying women had to give up work when they got married?

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Winnabella · 11/05/2021 16:11

Got an older female relative (aunt) who gave up work when she married my uncle (now passed away). They got married in 1964. My parents got married in 1970 and my mum carried on working. My grandmother carried on working until she was in her late 70s. But my aunt goes on about how it 'wasn't acceptable' to carry on working after getting married. She's not done too badly being a SAHM but does go on a bit about the sacrifices she made. She had a cleaner and a housekeeper to do the housework and she and my uncle had 2 children. My cousins often joke about how they had to wear their pyjamas for two weeks. My aunt came round on Sunday and she went on and on about the job she did just before she got married. It is a bit like she's been stuck in time - this was nearly 50 years ago now. Was it the case that women were frowned upon in the 1960s for working if they got married; and how come my mother and grandmother seemed to hold down jobs (my mum part time after I was born and before I started school)

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HarebrightCedarmoon · 11/05/2021 16:33

My mum had to leave one job when she got married in 1964. But then found another one where she was "allowed" to be married, and always worked apart from when I was little.

EvilTwinsAreHere · 11/05/2021 16:33

My mum worked for the NHS in a managerial role, fairly senior, in the early and mid 70s. She was well paid too, about £6k a year, more than my dad for a while.

She did give up work for a number of years in the late 70s and 80s when DC arrived but went back in the late 80s and worked until retirement.

I think possibly there weren't any nurseries who could take young children as there are now? She didn't have any family help. So maybe working wasn't even an option?

bigbluebus · 11/05/2021 16:32

My parents married in 1953. My mum gave up work straight away as it is what was expected. I got married in 1988. I remember the priest asking me if I intended to carry on working when I was married. It was a question that took me by surprise because I didn't realise that anyone thought that was still the expectation.

MindtheBelleek · 11/05/2021 16:32

@TheKeatingFive

I’m in ROI and women were effectively forced out of civil service jobs when they got married, right into the 70s/80s. So yes, I’d believe it.
Yes, for public and semi-public sector jobs, it was only lifted in 1973, and in the private sector, when European law made it illegal to discriminate on the grounds of sex and marital status, in 1977.

And the lesser-known killer to the lifting of the marriage bar in the public sector is that the almost 3000 women who'd been forced to resign in the three years before the bar was lifted were given the right to get their jobs back, but only if they could prove their husbands were no longer supporting them on the grounds of desertion, separation or bad health! Aargh.

randomlyLostInWales · 11/05/2021 16:31

DMum was asked to leave during her first pg - early 1970s office job- apparently there was talk after her marriage of letting her go but they waited till first pg about year later. She wasn't pleased years later and I think felt p/t jobs she did get were all steps down -she worked in p/t jobs during our childhood mainly shop work.

Maternal DGM worked in factory when her kids were young - paternal DGM had few years off in war and then was back in very specialised skilled office job though Dads childhood - late 1940 and 50s which was unusal to be in office apparently.

MIL had few years off again 70s from factory work - left herself then found cleaning job she could take DH with - then few years after DH in school she was back in factory full time.

pitterpatterrain · 11/05/2021 16:31

Yes it happened!

I was reading the biography of Dorothy Hodgkin (Nobel prize winning woman for X-ray crystallography) and it had a lot about how they faced this issue to keep her on doing research and essentially struggled to pay her officially when she got married and she was paid so much less etc

So much change has happened thankfully !

Maggiesgirl · 11/05/2021 16:31

I have a feeling it was only in the late 80's that women coukd be married in Army. They certainly couldn't be mothers then .

gingercat02 · 11/05/2021 16:30

My Mum had to give up her job with the education office (now the LEA) when she had me in 1969 so yes in a lot of jobs mother's weren't allowed to be employed

SuperSange · 11/05/2021 16:30

Yes, my mother had to leave work when she married in 1971.

ZeroFuchsGiven · 11/05/2021 16:29

and how come my mother and grandmother seemed to hold down jobs

Ask your Mother and grandmother? We can not possibly answer that.

Buggerthebotox · 11/05/2021 16:29

My mother had to give up her job as a Librarian when she got married (this would have been around 1955). She got another job though, as a clerical worker in a factory. She took some time out, then went back to Librarianship when I was older.

Of the married women I knew, very few actually worked if they had children, even when the children were grown up.

Forestdweller11 · 11/05/2021 16:29

Mum married in 1964 and had to leave her job - shop work in a small town. Husband was the breadwinner and therefore she had no need for a job.

Geordieoldgirl · 11/05/2021 16:28

Meant to say ‘no other childcare’!

TeacupDrama · 11/05/2021 16:28

I am sure my mother had to give up work when she married in 1967 she was emplyed by Inland revenue tax office, as I was born 11 months later it wasn't much earlier.

Geordieoldgirl · 11/05/2021 16:27

My late mum said that she was expected to leave U.K. civil service on her marriage in 1965. However she challenged that (ruling?) norm and retained her post - until she had her first child then had to leave as there was other child care. And I do remember hearing one of my quite young aunties (in the 1970s) say that unemployment was a result of married women taking all the jobs!

Neonprint · 11/05/2021 16:27

@Redwinestillfine

My mil had to give up work when she got married in the mid 1970's. Apparently it was a thing.
My mum got married in 1976/7 and it wasn't a thing where she worked then. She was either working in the NHS or for a university.

Maybe this was a bit later though. My grandma worked in various part time jobs she's 83 now married in the early 50s. But not sure if she left and went back later?

Sugarplumfairy65 · 11/05/2021 16:26

A lot of companies wouldn't employ married women. Some companies would, but not once you became pregnant.

Palavah · 11/05/2021 16:26

Additionally, a woman needed her husband's permission to open a bank account. A single woman would have had to get her father's permission. Ditto mortgages.

Brefugee · 11/05/2021 16:26

You know you could have done your aunt the courtesy of believing her. And ask your mum when she first got her own bank account or loan without her dad or husband having to co-sign.

This stuff is very well known. Aren't you a bit embarrassed to enjoy the fruit of the hard work of previous generations of women and not know what they were up against?

LordEmsworth · 11/05/2021 16:25

Err yes, some employers refused to employ married women - and required women to quit on marriage - well into the 60s. The 70s in some cases.

This meant that in some circles, it was socially expected that women would stop working.

However, some jobs/employers did not, so it was entirely possible to continue working. However in certain circles, they would have been looked down on because if you were working it must mean that your husband wasn't a good enough breadwinner, so you must be a failure to have not bagged a good enough husband.

Let's be clear, some people still have that attitude! Some employers are more likely to employ a man because "he's a breadwinner" than a better-qualified woman, who's "only doing it for the pin money". That's an unofficial marriage bar...

Alwaysfrank · 11/05/2021 16:25

My mum was forced to leave her job as a bank clerk when she married in the late 1940s. Company policy I presume.

Stichintime · 11/05/2021 16:25

If the woman didn't give up work when she married she was likely to if she had children. I agree it's boring and irrelevant to hear about someone's job and experiences if its 50 years old! I have a friend who worked for the same Client group as me. I continue to work in my field, and have years of experience and post graduate qualifications, she stopped working in the 90s and left the country! Its really annoying when I'm talking about something work related in she tells some story I've heard 10 times because her expereince is so out of date! It's like she's stuck in time.

Mushypeasandchipstogo · 11/05/2021 16:25

My mother worked as a tax officer in a tax office before she got married. She was made to leave her job when she got married in 1960.

Skysblue · 11/05/2021 16:23

In many jobs - for example, the UK Foreign Office - women were not permitted to continue in their employment after marriage.

It was extremely common, and it certainly was the ‘done thing’, for women to leave work to focus on bringing up the children.

MrsAvocet · 11/05/2021 16:23

Depends on the job I guess. My Mum worked for the Inland Revenue and when she got married (early 50s) it was certainly the norm for women to stop working there once they were married. She always told me that he was only allowed to stay on as they were very short of people in her role at the time. (And of course there were no equal pay laws then so she was cheaper than a man!) But when she had her first baby that was it, she had to leave. No choice in the matter. I don't know whether that was national policy or just something the local manager enforced, but it was something my Mum certainly felt bitter about. When I was wavering about returning to work after my first baby she was very strong in her opinion that I should go back. She was a fantastic mother but I do think she always felt upset that she was denied other opportunities.