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To want to settle a generation gap argument: older (female) relative is saying women had to give up work when they got married?

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Winnabella · 11/05/2021 16:11

Got an older female relative (aunt) who gave up work when she married my uncle (now passed away). They got married in 1964. My parents got married in 1970 and my mum carried on working. My grandmother carried on working until she was in her late 70s. But my aunt goes on about how it 'wasn't acceptable' to carry on working after getting married. She's not done too badly being a SAHM but does go on a bit about the sacrifices she made. She had a cleaner and a housekeeper to do the housework and she and my uncle had 2 children. My cousins often joke about how they had to wear their pyjamas for two weeks. My aunt came round on Sunday and she went on and on about the job she did just before she got married. It is a bit like she's been stuck in time - this was nearly 50 years ago now. Was it the case that women were frowned upon in the 1960s for working if they got married; and how come my mother and grandmother seemed to hold down jobs (my mum part time after I was born and before I started school)

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Confusedandshaken · 11/05/2021 17:24

My mum worked for Barclays Bank. When she got married she was 'allowed' to carry on working although it was usually expected that women stopped working when they got married. She had to resign when she stopped work to have me. This was London in 1961. She carried on working in various pt/casual jobs because she needed the money but 'good jobs' like counter assistant in a bank were no longer an option for her.

PurpleWh1teGreen · 11/05/2021 17:23

While it was true that some businesses did not employ married women, the expectations of husbands and families carried weight too - sometimes more weight.

I remember MIL who married in 1966 saying years ago that women gave up work in her day and also that it wasn't the done thing for women to drive. As my own DM who was 14 years older had always worked and driven I found this amusing. Her elder sister had got into grammar school though and was one of the few women of her generation and class to make it to University. (1930's).

So I suppose while most women did give up work, attitude & opportunities made a big difference.

WaverleyPirate · 11/05/2021 17:23

1950's again.

stripey1 · 11/05/2021 17:23

A relative of mine nursed in the 60s and they were expected to leave when they got married. Her colleague who didn't was put on permanent night shifts until she did.

nicknamehelp · 11/05/2021 17:22

In 2000 I was asked if I was leaving my job as dh had been made a Director and apparently not the done thing for a Directors wife to work.

LondonJax · 11/05/2021 17:22

My cousin had her first child at 18 years old pre 1975. She got married just before the baby was born. Whether it was the marriage bar or the lack of maternity leave, she had to leave her job in a bank when she got married/left to have the baby.

But my mum carried on working when she married in the 1950s, in fact she and my dad met their best friends (also married to each other) at work. But they all worked in a factory.

WaverleyPirate · 11/05/2021 17:22

My Mum was asked to leave her job in the library when she got married. It was most definitely a thing that was done in lots of jobs.

She managed to find another one but it was very difficult if you were married.

SusannahSophia · 11/05/2021 17:22

My mum worked in Woollies after marriage in 1954, and only gave up work when pregnant with my sister. She didn’t go back to work until 1972 when I was 7. She had worked in many jobs before getting married. So not forced to leave Woollies, but she had moved away from home to live with her husband.

KihoBebiluPute · 11/05/2021 17:22

It depended on the job. In some jobs it would have been normal for there to be a mixture of married and unmarried women.

My grandmother had to keep the fact of her marriage secret from her employers and hide her wedding ring in order to keep her job when she married as she would have been instantly dismissed - just secretarial and admin work in an office but they only employed unmarried women for the work and were rigid about their rules. It definitely happened.

TedImgoingmad · 11/05/2021 17:22

There's an other thread in active, about weird questions asked by recruiters. You only need to read the responses to see that many of the attitudes that prevailed, in what we think of as the bad old days, still exist today. Whilst there are laws against discriminatory questioning during an interview, women are still asked about marriage/children/childcare. You can bet your life that men do not get asked about their childcare arrangements or whether they intend to start a family. Many women are still "unofficially" hustled out of their jobs during maternity leave.

NoBetterthanSheShouldBe · 11/05/2021 17:21

My mother worked for the local English council. Marriage meant automatic dismissal - late 50s. She found alternative work until the first baby arrived.

foolonthehill · 11/05/2021 17:21

The marriage bar in the UK was active until 1948 officially but of course it was socially applied for much longer....especially in middle class households.

here's an extract from the "NHS at 70" website

Catalina Bateman, born in Chile in 1923, trained as a general nurse at Altrincham General Hospital from 1941 to 1944. She was 'called up' for war service and posted to Wythenshawe Hospital where she nursed soldiers with horrific injuries. There Catalina administered penicillin for the first time. She did her midwifery training at a Salvation Army mother and baby home for unmarried mothers in London. After marrying in 1948, Catalina had to resign from nursing. She moved to work at Manchester Corporation as a health visitor but left when she had children. Shortages of nurses later prompted the recruitment of married trained nurses and this enabled Catalina to return to her career. She remained part-time for the rest of her career so she could continue to care for both her children and ageing relatives.

OldFirstTimeMum · 11/05/2021 17:20

that was absolutely a thing back in the day.

Rosehip10 · 11/05/2021 17:20

In the past female civil servants had to leave upon marriage (there was a special payment made to them) - this was why it was rare to have any senior civil servants who were female. Even after it ended in the "home" civil service (60s?) it carried on for a couple more years in the diplomatic service!

Em3978 · 11/05/2021 17:19

My Grandma worked from being 14 (so about 1941) until she retired in the 1980s. She married Grandad in 1948 and carried on working.

Mrsfrumble · 11/05/2021 17:18

Yes! Amazing, insightful, compassionate post from @RealisticSketch.

Mydogmylife · 11/05/2021 17:18

My mother had to give up work in the civil service when she married my dad. This was in 1950

sunshinesupermum · 11/05/2021 17:18

My friend once told me that M&S didn’t employ married women. That female staff ‘had to leave’ when they got married. I always wondered whether it was true or not but could find a definitive answer.

Not true. I began working for them in 1973 and got married in 1979 to someone who also worked for M&S. There were plenty of married women when I was there. What was different was that most women left when they began having children. I was the second married woman to return to full-time work at M& S Head Office when DD1 was born.

LemonRoses · 11/05/2021 17:17

Yes many professions were only open to unmarried women. Those where married women could work didn’t really have a great degree of flexibility and child care was very limited.

Mind you, it was surprisingly recent that the need for husband’s to consent to their wife’s hysterectomy was stopped.

SunlessSea · 11/05/2021 17:16

My parents married in 1971 in Ireland. My Mum had worked in her office job for 18 years and had to leave on marriage. She had to cash in her social insurance contributions at a discount so lost any contributary pension. Not sure if this was government or company policy though. She really loved her job but had no choice.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 11/05/2021 17:16

It’s true that some organisations didn’t employ married women. If you got married, you had to leave. I knew of this still going until the mid 70s.

But I’m sure a lot of it was down to finances and circumstances. My DM didn’t go back to work until I was 14 (two younger siblings and one older). This was in the 60s, and was not because there was plenty of money - far from it - but because she had no family anywhere near to help with childcare, and in those days there simply wasn’t much paid childcare around.

She went back to work as soon as she felt that my younger siblings were safe to get themselves home from school (quite a long walk) and could be be trusted until my elder sister and I were home

IMO it was more common to work if you had GPs or other family close by, but not everybody did by any means.

Toddlerteaplease · 11/05/2021 17:16

Really annoys me that Anna Bates carries on working after marriage and children. In 1924 I doubt it would ever have crossed her mind to carry on working. It wasn't done.

TedImgoingmad · 11/05/2021 17:15

@RealisticSketch

Your aunt would have been, at least, swimming against the tide somewhat and who of us as a young newly wed could hand on heart say we would have stood for change at that time (peers, society, spouse, all factors). Course there were those who did but age, experience, pressure etc etc make different people do different things. Now she's older, maybe she has massive regrets and resents the family view that her gilded cage was a cushy number. Christ on a bike, I look at my softening jaw line and think of things I haven't achieved sometimes and recognise that doors are going to be closing not opening for me in the future, good knows what if be like in another 30 years of I felt the scorn coming from others for the person is become who didn't know who I was or actually asked me about it properly. I think your aunt deserves a little bit more understanding than derision. She is identified and measured as the under performing kept woman in your families eyes. Maybe that was never her identity and she hated housework cos her heart was elsewhere and now realises that all her potential is buried in the past. Maybe that is enough of a reason for her to be looking back and trying to get her family who have her pegged and pidgeon holed to see her through her eyes a bit more. It must be hard growing old when no-one really knows who you were or understand that you were making choices in different times.
Brilliant post *@RealisticSketch*
Toddlerteaplease · 11/05/2021 17:14

@TheKeatingFive

I’m in ROI and women were effectively forced out of civil service jobs when they got married, right into the 70s/80s. So yes, I’d believe it.
My friends ex wife caused quite a stir in the 60's in their civil service office in London, when she refused to give up work after having a baby.
Hesma · 11/05/2021 17:13

My mum worked in the civil service in Dublin. She had to ‘retire’ in 1970 at the grand old age of 20 when she got married. It was definitely a thing back then

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