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Biggest cultural shock you have come across?

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hibbledobble · 08/05/2017 14:11

What have you encountered while travelling that was your biggest cultural shock?

I'll go first: in Poland I saw families/extended families living 10+ in a 2 bedroom home. The concept of having a bedroom or even a bed to oneself is seemingly unheard of. Everyone sleeps in different beds each night, and beds are often shared. Having visitors in this set up is no problem either: everyone just rearranges. Water also came from Wells, lots of homes had no bathrooms. Ovens were these metal beasts that were plugged into the mains.

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Babycakes6 · 04/10/2017 20:32

The app called Shpock!! I was trying to sell brand new items which cost me >£50 for £5 and people were offering me £2. If I agreed, they would say they're coming but never showed up and when I ended up taking the stuff to charity instead (because they stood me up so many times) they left a you a bad review!! I looked them up and they are selling old shoes for £10!! I'm still in a shock I can't believe people like this exist! Have I been living in a bubble all my life? Who are these people and what sort of sick app is this? Confused

ExpatinBah · 16/07/2017 03:15

My husband being chased that is lol

ExpatinBah · 16/07/2017 03:10

Allwornout0 - yes, 10 people plus living in 2 bedrooms occurs - my brother lives there with his Polish wife.

America - not witnessing steam coming out of the pavement (watch too many American movies).

Thailand - being chased by a Lady Boy (my husband)

India - appalling scenes of poverty

Middle East - a woman driving, one hand talking on mobile, toddler on her lap and no seatbelt - oh and a tiger in the back of a Dubai car.

Toadinthehole · 18/06/2017 03:21

ThePerryMasonandHisBrain

(cc SeoulSurvivor)

Thank you for an intelligent comment. However, I doubt that dealing with the slave trade really counts. Slavery was something that British people perpetrated outside Britain, and therefore the only effect its abolition had was to cut off an income stream to certain people in Britain. It was not something that affected its society as such, apart from a debate that concluded - shock horror - that yes, slavery of black people was just as wrong as slavery of any person. What makes it a monumentally bad example is that even now there isn't really much recognition in the UK of was done. In the meantime, the British government and various businesses continued to exploit other ethnicities on a global scale; a subject that even now is not really discussed in British public life to any great degree - just like the Merchant of Venice which most people have not studied, and few willingly. Contrast NZ where the legacy of colonialism is all around us, and is therefore discussed in great detail as a matter of course. The Treaty of Waitangi has to be considered by the government at every turn, and considerable amounts of money have been paid out to Maori for breaches of it. Perhaps the UK might like to consider chipping in?

You make a better point about Australia and NZ, although I cannot speak for Australia. The point to note, however, is that the legacy of colonialism - which in NZ presents as poor outcomes for Maori - is not a reflection of its society now but intergenerational dysfunction brought about by colonialism. It's not inconsistent to say that a non-racist society can - for historic reasons - still have to wrestle with these problems in a way that a non-colonised society such as Britain need not. You mention how racism is as a result of colonialism is steeped in NZ's museums, art galleries, politics etc. My own view it it is these institutions in the UK that are more prone to such things because they reflect attitudes that - unlike here - have never been questioned. It really is more accurate to say that it was only some decades after the UK began to be a multi-cultural society that it really began to question what this meant and how society should adapt. In the meantime, the nasty and discriminatory treatment meted out to immigrants over three decades resulted in race-riots - and I would suggest also, very tragically, some home-grown terrorism. In NZ, by contrast, this began - with very many mistakes - in the 1840s.

What I really took exception to in the original remark, however, is the misconception that because the average Kiwi might be more prone to make derogatory remarks they must therefore be more racist. "Nonsense" is really the only appropriate reply. It is just the humour - and a dislike of people being snotty - and any alleged racism is not reflected by the high immigration rates, high achievement of immigrants, high levels of participation in politics, the professions and public life generally - in all of which I would suggest it beats the UK. Kiwis (both male and female) are prone to making sexist remarks too. Despite that, I would also suggest that women have a smaller pay gap, better representation in parliament and government, the professions and so on, and there is far, far, far, far, far less traditional expections on women to be feminine compared to the UK. The remark was in my view sufficiently ignorant to be guilty of the very thing it was complaining of, ie, racism.

Whew. As you were. I suppose I'd better contribute something to this thread myself. I will say that it's how polite people in the UK are. Wink

areyoubeingserviced · 08/06/2017 15:46

Also when I went to Athens I saw so many stray dogs wandering around the city centre , usually in packs.
In Milan, dogs were allowed into establishments which served food.

areyoubeingserviced · 08/06/2017 15:44

Was invited to Lagos, Nigeria by a colleague of mine. I was astounded by the fact that people on average wages had cleaners, cooks, handymen etc.
I was not even 'allowed' to iron my own clothes

GU24Mum · 02/06/2017 22:32

I remember the first time I went to a South East Asian country and saw people repairing flip-flops and sandals - huge wake-up call about how much we throw away.

Or going to Guangzhou and seeing the restaurants where your dinner (not in my case as I couldn't face it) is alive in a cage/tank outside for you to choose - not just fish but birds, small mammals etc.

Iflyaway · 02/06/2017 22:22

How incredibly seedy feeling Amsterdam was.

Well, you just didn't go to the right places! OMG, I can't believe you didn't check out Amsterdam.... did you not go past the usual tourist crap? Even the RLD has the most amazing architecture if you care to look up and around. It's from way before the 1600's - and you have all the amazing art museums. How about Anne Frank House... a history lesson right there!

Next time, rent a bike or hop on a tram and wander around the parks. They have concerts all summer.

I guess what people think they are going to get the universe will deliver Grin

Tenementfunster · 02/06/2017 22:03

Elderly women working on digging and repairing roads in Hong Kong

PicaPau · 01/06/2017 00:57

Jaja101 that reminds me of a joke, not sure if it's a true story but I heard from a friend, a couple of Americans arrive in Dover from Calais. One says to the other "you wait here with the bags, I'm just going to have a quick walk around the island".

Jaja101 · 31/05/2017 17:37

Greece - when eating a meal outside and being besieged by about 20 wasps which descended onto our food, the restaurant owner shooed the wasps off with a cloth and then gestured for us to continue our meal AFTER the wasps had been guzzling our food for 10 minutes!
Yet when we fed a starving looking cat with titbits the same owner got very cross and said "no feed cats".
USA - driving across Nevada to get to Las Vegas airport, we didn't realise about time zone changes and lost an hour going along the Hoover dam. This meant we only just got to the airport in time for our plane. The check in clerk obviously thought we were stupid for not knowing the clock went back an hour.
Also in a lift in San Francisco a man recognised our accents as British and asked us if we knew a friend of his called John Carter who lived in London! Yes everybody knows each other in London !

ThePerryMasonandHisBrain · 22/05/2017 11:19

NZ has been deaing with race issues for longer than the UK

Neither of the polarized position expressed above is correct.

On the one hand, it is obviously wrong that NZ has been dealing with race issues for longer than the UK. The slave trade was abolished in the UK in 1807. That didn't come out of thin air one day in 1807! The Merchant of Venice was written in the 1590s - I'm no social history expert - but there is a fair chance it featured themes that were going to be understood and related to by the audience - ie. anti -Semitic feeling. Racism isn't something that is new in the UK.

On the other hand, both Australia and New Zealand have a huge amount of cultural guilt arising out of issues concerning race and the indigenous population. Maoris were given equal citizen rights much MUCH earlier than aborigines so there is a perception that they were treated better. BUT those sorts of issues (white people turn up, take the land, kill the indigenous population with disease and war) are far more culturally deep rooted than the sort of racism that is present in the UK. It is steeped into everything and appears everywhere - museums, art galleries, politics, history - are deeply imbued with racism and historic racist issues - which is not the same in the UK.

Polarized positions are not right very often!

EBearhug · 22/05/2017 01:48

What's GWOT?

mimishimmi · 22/05/2017 01:37

fightingirish: It's still the case out in the 'colonies' too. The whole GWOT collaboration has everyone scared again. Very disheartening and frightening. They want to create this 'perfect' society where most of us are dead!!!

IndigoWendigo · 22/05/2017 00:38

Moving to London from Surrey. Very white area, maybe only 2 or 3 EM children/English SL children in a class.

Went to a college in London and the ratios were vastly different.

seoulsurvivor · 22/05/2017 00:34

It is ridiculous to state that the UK didn't deal race issues til the 60s. I've just given you a concrete example that that is not the case.

Perhaps it is you who needs to read up on history so that you don't opine like a silly person.

Toadinthehole · 22/05/2017 00:25

And I suggest you read some New Zealand history. Perhaps then you will not opine like an English person.

seoulsurvivor · 22/05/2017 00:00

I suggest you read The Letters of the Late Ignatius Sancho, An African - (written in the -hey- 18th century in the UK) and the surrounding chatter, and then get back to me.

Also, I'm Scottish. Probably not the best to suggest I'm acting like an English.

Toadinthehole · 21/05/2017 23:11

Yes it has. You really don't know what you're talking about. This is like watching English people opine in Scotland. They just think they know it wall.

Race issues began in NZ i the late eighteenth century when British colonists began turning up and then took over the place later on. As Britain dumped a big turd on NZ, it's not for British Mumsnetters to complain about the smell.

Meanwhile, Britain wasn't dealing with such race issues as it had at all. It was all suppression, and that didn't begin to change until the 1960s, and even then not very. British attitudes to race relations really need to catch up. When they do, terrorism will be much less of a problem, if at all. The first thing to realise, however, is that anti-racism is far more than just getting huffy about rude names.

seoulsurvivor · 21/05/2017 12:14

'NZ has been deaing with race issues for longer than the UK'.

NZ in its current form hasn't even existed for as long as the UK has had race issues.

Toadinthehole · 21/05/2017 12:11

Athrawes, LadyRoseate, Brasty,

Rather late to this thread, but I'm going to defend NZ against your charge of racism.

NZ has been dealing with race issues for a helluva lot longer than the UK and accordingly has nothing to learn from the UK. On most measures, e.g. ethnic minority representation in parliament, the professions, business and so on, NZ leaves the UK in the dust.

It is true that NZ's indigenous population is overrepresented in prison, unemployment and so on. This is a legacy of British colonialism, for which Britain is responsible, and huge efforts have, and are, being made to put things right.

NZ, along with Australia has happily absorbed immigration in proportions that would make Nigel Farage burst a bloodvessel and Enoch Powell rise from the grave.

There are no race riots here.

NZ is many degrees less racist than the UK and the fact that NZers might use derogatory terms is misleading. NZ is not stuck in the 50s. In fact, it is the UK that is 60 years behind NZ :in the UK, hoity toity attitudes about rude names is considered sufficient.

JuniDD · 15/05/2017 10:22

When I went to Jamaica and all the houses had burglar bars. I just thought 'how unsafe is this place if they have to put the houses in cages?!'. Apparently they are common in a lot of other places but I'd never heard of them before.

DoorwayToNorway · 14/05/2017 09:01

Has anyone mentioned snow in equatorial Africa? I've never been but I did some work in a chimp refuge years ago as a student and became a big fan of Jane Goodall and all things Chimp related. When I saw pictures of Mount Kilimanjaro, I was Shock

lizzieoak · 14/05/2017 01:08

Well, that's bizarre then. I lived close to Dorset and would have thought that pronunciation should be intelligible. And context, as said below, ought to be a clue. That is ... odd. I hope your thirst got quenched.

Kursk · 14/05/2017 01:08

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This thread is a fascinating read