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Genuinely interesting stuff you learned at school/university/work

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MrsHathaway · 25/07/2016 11:26

At a tangent from an otherwise rather tedious thread, some of us started talking about the history of the English language.

I did a paper called something like History and Structure of the English Language at university and honestly it didn't feel at all like work. The complicated bits have faded into the dusty corners of my brain, but some interesting snippets have remained within easy grasp.

For example, you can see a lot of the geopolitical history of the British Isles in what we now call English. Very basic words like low numbers (two, three) and natural features (sun, land, water) have their roots in our very earliest history and have scarcely changed since the Stone Age. They're also very similar to their equivalents in languages local at the time - northern European languages like Swedish, German, etc.

Place names come in odd clumps too - there are areas in eg Yorkshire and the Highlands which have very Norse names, and often there will be a geographical boundary between Norse place names and Anglo Saxon place names, such as a wide river or mountain ridge.

French came next, with the Normans in the eleventh century. A lot of our food words come from that period, including beef, pork, salmon, etc.

As English eyes looked further and further overseas we started adding more exotic ingredients to our kitchens and words to our vocabularies. Tomatoes, chocolate!

ANYWAY

We're often told that we won't use 90% of what we learn at school or even university, although we don't know which 90%. But I think it's almost always worth learning stuff for its own sake, if only because it's mildly interesting for one day or breaks the ice at one party where you happen to meet your soul mate.

So go on, what snippets have you retained from your years of formal education that are genuinely interesting in their own right? Can be a tiny thing or a major complicated theory, but it must be interesting - at least interesting enough for us to say "well, fancy that".

I'll leave you with this: in Japanese there was no word for "thank you". There were lots of ways of expressing gratitude, but no single expression in the European way. Then the Portuguese came, and suddenly the Japanese were trading with them. They used lots of hand gestures and gradually a kind of pidgin developed to allow them to communicate until there were enough on each side speaking the other's language. But one legacy from that time and that pidgin is a single-word "thank you" in Japanese: arigato. Which you'll notice is remarkably similar to the Portuguese obrigado.

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sashh · 25/07/2016 21:13

Just to add to MrsHathaway

Some of the linguists investigating were deaf sign language users, they had to be careful not to introduce their own signs (from whichever language) so that the development was left untainted by ASL, BSL or any other SL.

Also the comment in my other post.

If you remember in the 1970s the USA was embargoing Nicaragua - whilst supplying guns - but this meant Nicaragua could not get modern antibiotics. They had access to older drugs which were audiotoxic, ie had the side effect of causing deafness.

If you had a seriously ill child you had a choice of them dying or surviving but being deaf. So you had an explosion in deaf children.

Deafness from other causes was quite rare so these children were not part of a deaf community, they didn't have deaf relatives and nor did their parents.

Scarydinosaurs · 25/07/2016 21:12

OP that is fascinating!

I loved almost everything I learned at college and uni. I love learning. I love being a teacher and learning new things to teach.

My favourite subject ever was Art History- lots of fascinating stories about beautiful and interesting artwork.

The best lesson I ever had was when my teacher did a 'whole history of the world in one lesson'. I learned so much, and it put things into context that I didn't even realise I didn't have the context. I've used things I learned in that lesson almost every year since.

wanderings · 25/07/2016 21:08

That colour is a very small part of the "information" in a picture. A very large amount of what you see is the "black and white" information, with the colour added on, and picked up by separate detectors in your eyes.

Before digital TV, the black/white and colour information were encoded separately on to the TV signal (the colour needing far less space); this is how black and white TV's could still receive the colour broadcast.

EllieQ · 25/07/2016 21:03

Post-glacial rebound is something I have remembered from geography classes. During the ice ages, the areas that had been covered by glaciers sunk due to the weight of the ice. When the glaciers melted, the land started to rise again (slowly, obviously).

This is still happening now - Scotland and northern England were covered by glaciers and are still rising, and southern England (not affected by glaciers) is actually slowly sinking.

MrsHathaway · 25/07/2016 20:47

Right, Nicaragua!

In Nicaragua, as in much of the world full stop in fairness, deafness was seen as unfortunate and embarrassing. Deaf people stayed quietly at home within the extended family and couldn't really access anything ever.

Then suddenly a residential school for the deaf was established in 1977.

The children there used the very few signs they'd each used organically at home to make themselves understood. Over time their individual signs mutated into common signs (most natural sign language is very onomatopoeic, for want of a better word) and as a group they added more and more to their collective vocabulary.

It was still fairly rudimentary as languages go (classified as pidgin), but it was natural and useful and validating for all those children who had previously been the equivalent of the madman in the attic.

But what came next was mindblowing. As younger children joined the school, they quickly learned the entire vocabulary of the pidgin, then filled in the grammatical gaps.

What differentiates my speech from my toddler's is partly that he says "Peppa fall down" (with several consonants missing) and I say "Peppa has fallen down". The younger children similarly enriched the pidgin on the fly with markers for number and tense and person and so on. Details of how you do this in sign are a discussion for another day, but what is incredible is that they clearly had these concepts in their minds and were desperately trying to find a way to express them.

At this point most of the children could barely communicate with their teachers, who were using mainly Spanish (intending lipreading) and a little ASL fingerspelling. But they were talking to each other pretty much non stop.

Fortunately the teachers noticed, and in 1986 they invited MIT to come and observe. Linguists everywhere fell over in pure excitement at watching a language develop from basically nothing in under a decade.

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MrsHathaway · 25/07/2016 16:24

That's the chap - though purely from a sociolinguistic perspective as international relations baffles me.

But later. Am just back from holiday craft supplied shopping slash Rattata hunting and brain is custard.

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sashh · 25/07/2016 15:37

I'll tell you about Nicaraguan Sign Language later.

Oh you mean the language that spontaneously developed when Nicaragua opened it's fist school for the deaf after the US embargo forced the country to use audiotoxic antibiotics?

That will be fascinating.

FellOutOfBed2wice · 25/07/2016 14:27

Some!

FellOutOfBed2wice · 25/07/2016 14:27

My mind has gone totally blank. Going to give this sine thought.

LisaMed1 · 25/07/2016 14:17

Nothing to add (thicko here) but place marking out of interest

MrsHathaway · 25/07/2016 13:23

Tok Pisin is indeed fabulous.

I'll tell you about Nicaraguan Sign Language later.

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sashh · 25/07/2016 13:03

Tok Pisin is a mix of English and other languages used in Papua New Guinea, it was developed from the local indigenous language and interactions with English speakers and some others.

It is now a language but has some wonderful phrases that are understandable to English users. Give these a go:

Mi nidim dokta

Mi manmeri bilong Briten

iklik box you pull him he cry you push him he cry

oldfella Pili-Pili him bilong Misis Kwin

MrsHathaway · 25/07/2016 12:02

Thanks Princess.

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PrincessFiorimonde · 25/07/2016 11:42

I just saw your post and think it's an interesting point. I don't have time at the moment to give it the thought that's needed, but bumping for you while I have a think - hope someone a bit more on the ball than me responds in the meantime!