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Genuinely interesting stuff you learned at school/university/work

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MrsHathaway · 25/07/2016 11:26

At a tangent from an otherwise rather tedious thread, some of us started talking about the history of the English language.

I did a paper called something like History and Structure of the English Language at university and honestly it didn't feel at all like work. The complicated bits have faded into the dusty corners of my brain, but some interesting snippets have remained within easy grasp.

For example, you can see a lot of the geopolitical history of the British Isles in what we now call English. Very basic words like low numbers (two, three) and natural features (sun, land, water) have their roots in our very earliest history and have scarcely changed since the Stone Age. They're also very similar to their equivalents in languages local at the time - northern European languages like Swedish, German, etc.

Place names come in odd clumps too - there are areas in eg Yorkshire and the Highlands which have very Norse names, and often there will be a geographical boundary between Norse place names and Anglo Saxon place names, such as a wide river or mountain ridge.

French came next, with the Normans in the eleventh century. A lot of our food words come from that period, including beef, pork, salmon, etc.

As English eyes looked further and further overseas we started adding more exotic ingredients to our kitchens and words to our vocabularies. Tomatoes, chocolate!

ANYWAY

We're often told that we won't use 90% of what we learn at school or even university, although we don't know which 90%. But I think it's almost always worth learning stuff for its own sake, if only because it's mildly interesting for one day or breaks the ice at one party where you happen to meet your soul mate.

So go on, what snippets have you retained from your years of formal education that are genuinely interesting in their own right? Can be a tiny thing or a major complicated theory, but it must be interesting - at least interesting enough for us to say "well, fancy that".

I'll leave you with this: in Japanese there was no word for "thank you". There were lots of ways of expressing gratitude, but no single expression in the European way. Then the Portuguese came, and suddenly the Japanese were trading with them. They used lots of hand gestures and gradually a kind of pidgin developed to allow them to communicate until there were enough on each side speaking the other's language. But one legacy from that time and that pidgin is a single-word "thank you" in Japanese: arigato. Which you'll notice is remarkably similar to the Portuguese obrigado.

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HeyMamacita · 26/07/2016 07:57

I remember learning a really interesting fact about why we put the word 'then' at the end of sentences, even when it add nothing. For example, "How are you feeling about it then?"

It was something to do with the Newcastle area, maybe?? However, I have completely forgotten what it was even though I think about it often!

It strikes me that maybe one of the posters will know the answer??

Mermaid36 · 26/07/2016 07:27

Meh - my degree was in Eng Lit - so I can talk to you about critical analysis of 20th century romantic and gothic fiction etc, but not much useful in the way of facts!

I've learnt more spending 3mths in NICU with my twins! I know all about ventilation and the make up of breastmilk and how various drugs work on preemie babies etc...

LaContessaDiPlump · 26/07/2016 07:12

I have some fun microbiological/biochemical ones (bear with me).

-If you have tuberculosis, the deposits it leaves in your lungs are called 'caseous'. This is because they are very similar in texture to cheese. Also, they contain live tubercules. You can never be peoperly 'cured' of TB, my microbiology lecturer told me.

  • There used to be a theory that chemicals produced by a living body could only be produced by a living body; it was one of the special properties of life. It took the chemical synthesis of urea (and also its isolation from urine) to make people realise that this was not so.

-The Endosymbiont theory; the theory that mitochondria and chloroplasts (the tiny self-contained 'powerhouses' of animal/plant cells respectively) used to be free-living but instead became ensconced within larger cells and have been with us ever since. In fact I first heard about it in 2000 so it may be accepted as a proper Thing now Grin

In language:

-The word 'Welsh' means 'foreigner'. Oh, the invader irony!

In medicine (found this out last week!):

-The first instance of leukoreduction (filtering out of white blood cells, a practice now widely used to reduce pathogen transmission risk) was in the 1920s, when Alexander Flemming (I think) pushed blood through a bent glass tube and some wadded-up cotton wool into a recipient. It's been refined slightly since.....

Wonderful idea for a thread!

thejoysofboys · 26/07/2016 07:06

If we made it a world wide movement to switch to organic farming, there wouldn't be enough food to go around.
I'm probably naive but it completely shocked me that the world is so overpopulated.
Also, by 2050 we will need something like 30% more water, 50% more energy to keep up with world demand and the richest 80 people in the world will have the same combined wealth as the poorest 3.5bn.

DropYourSword · 26/07/2016 06:46

Are you sure that's right Gertrude. I can make the car/goat one make sense, and I could make deal or no deal make sense in my head if it were the HOST eliminating boxes. But I thought the entire point was that the host had the knowledge which door the car was behind so he couldn't choose that one. Meaning that if it were behind either door the contestant hadn't picked, he would be forced to open the only goat door. It's only in the 1/3 chance that the contestant picked the car that he could then open either goat door. But with deal or no deal, I don't understand how the prior possibility can come into it, because at that point it's just physical location on stage? There's no forcing of goats at that stage!

whattheseithakasmean · 26/07/2016 06:36

The only thing that really stays with me from English Language yonks ago is the Great Vowel Shift when many local dialects became more similar, for reasons which now escape me.

I remember loving the fact that if we spoke to someone in English from hundreds and hundreds of years ago we wouldn't understand each other, but if they spoke to someone from the next generation, and they spoke to the one after, the message would be 'translated' down the years. The development of the English language is such a fascinating subject, but at Uni all I did was drink, take drugs & shag around. Talk about a waste of taxpayers money.

GertrudeMoo · 26/07/2016 06:13

In effect, all the boxes opened during the game act as the door containing the goat.

VioletBam · 26/07/2016 06:11

I liked learning about the birth of Christianity whilst I was at drama college.

GertrudeMoo · 26/07/2016 06:09

It's prior probability, DropYourSword. In the Monty Hall example the host has to open a door with a goat, but the probability the initial door hides a car is still one third. In Deal or no deal, the probability of picking the biggest prize is one in twenty. That doesn't change if that figure doesn't appear throughout the game. The knowledge you (still) have at the end, faced with two boxes, is that yours is very unlikely (0.05) to be the top prize, whereas the probability it's in the other box is 0.95.

DropYourSword · 26/07/2016 02:42

I don't think the car/goat scenario transfers to deal or no deal gertrude, because it's missing an important step. The car/goat scenario forces the host to open a box with a goat in it...they have the knowledge of what's contained in the box. It doesn't work the same for deal or no deal which is completely blind.

BikeRunSki · 26/07/2016 02:30

Ok. It's very late and I am only awake because DD has just got into my bed, so I am now in a bed about 50cm shorter than me, so thus isn't going to be half as fascinating as Nicuagrian sign language but:

Until Franz Liszt came along, pianos in concerts were placed facing the audience. Liszt was very vain, so he turned the piano round so he was in profile to the audience, as he thought he looked better like that. (O Level Music).

Tides don't only have a daily cycle, but also a 21-yearly cycle. The highest high tides ramp up and peak every 21-ish years. This is something j need to know for work often (I design flood defences).

WhoKnowsWhereTheTimeG0es · 26/07/2016 00:35

My degree was in chemistry some 30 years ago. One day we learned about dust explosions. Who knew that flour could be so dangerous? Something that would never have occurred to me but is in fact very simple and logical and can have devastating consequences. I've never worked in an industry where it could occur but it has come up in conversation a few times over the years, fascinating stuff.

SwedishEdith · 26/07/2016 00:25

The Monty Hall problem Gertrude?

Love threads like this

GertrudeMoo · 26/07/2016 00:21

Oh..and that came from my statistics degree.

GertrudeMoo · 26/07/2016 00:17

Oh oh....the car and the goats. There was a gameshow somewhere that gave the contestant the chance to win a car. He/she was shown three doors and told that behind one door was a car, but behind the other two were goats. The contestant picks one door. The host then opens one of the other doors to reveal a goat. He then asks the contestant whether he/she would like to stick with their original choice or switch to the other unopened door. Basically, the probability of winning the car with the first choice of door is one third. At that point, the probability of the car being behind "one of the other doors" is two thirds. This probability does not change when the host opens a goat door. Therefore the contestant is twice as likely to win the car of he switches to the other unopened door.
You can apply this to Deal or No Deal. Played simply, with 20 boxes, the probability of picking the £250K is one twentieth. The probability that it is in "one of the other boxes" is 19 twentieths. If you make it to the end and are faced with the box you picked and one other box (having not yet found the £250K), and Noel asks if you want to stick with your box or switch, SWITCH! Of course, there is always a slim chance you picked it to begin with, but probability says you are much more likely to win if you switch. There are plenty of people who would argue that if there are two boxes then the probability is 50:50. They are wrong!

ironrooster · 25/07/2016 23:59

So funny you should mention Nicaraguan sign language as I think that's the single most interesting thing I learnt at uni!

notagiraffe · 25/07/2016 23:58

I learned that the adolescent brain doesn't stop developing until the late twenties. Which explains why people love bungee jumping and muck up their love life and live life as if it was a drama etc throughout their twenties and then suddenly mature around 30. There's a lot of research going on around adolescent brain development right now and it's gripping.

HopeClearwater · 25/07/2016 23:46

HarrietSchulenberg Grin

HopeClearwater · 25/07/2016 23:45

MrsHathaway there was a very interesting edition of Word of Mouth on Radio 4 in which they discussed the extreme age of some of our basic words. It may still be on iPlayer.
Great thread Smile

MrsHathaway · 25/07/2016 23:11

Ooh super additions.

Appropriately, I am watching Judge John Deed and pondering the theatre of the law and what effect it has on due process.

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annandale · 25/07/2016 22:15

Great thread.

We studied a particularly dull syllabus in Government and Politics - most of us chose it thinking we were going to do the comparative politics syllabus and learn all about the Kennedys - but in fact I found it fascinating. I particularly like that certainly at that time (30 years ago) Bills become Acts using Norman French. So for non financial bills, the final announcement that the Queen has signed or agreed the Bill into law as an Act is 'La Reine le veult' or 'The Queen wishes it' and for financial bills it's 'La Reine remercie ces bon sujets et aussi le veult' i.e. The Queen thanks her good subjects and also wishes it.

HarrietSchulenberg · 25/07/2016 22:08

It's not quite as impressive or expansive as everyone else's, but my biggest impression from my English Language degree module was that in 1986 there were something like 350 dialects spoken just in Leeds alone.

From school I guess it was the knowledge that there are the same amount of oxygen molecules today as there were a billion years ago. The overall quantity is constant, it's the compounds they form that changes. My teacher told us that every time we breathed in, we'd take in at least one oxygen molecule that Jesus had breathed, but I rapidly worked out that this meant that I must inhaling at least one molecule that Bono had breathed. Made me a bit teenage giddy until someone pointed out that we were also breathing Hitler's oxygen and it all went downhill from there Grin.

FellOutOfBed2wice · 25/07/2016 21:50

Excuse the typos in my post. Am half asleep!

FellOutOfBed2wice · 25/07/2016 21:48

I have given this some thought and I learnt a lot of cool stuff, now I get to actually thinking about it, but this one came to me while I was putting DD to bed. I learnt about it during A Level Fine Art and produced a project on distortion of realism around it... It's the Hockney-Falco Thesis and it centres around the use of lenses in art.

Wikipedia um it up as The Hockney–Falco thesis is a theory of art history, advanced by artist David Hockney and physicist Charles M. Falco. Both claimed that advances in realism and accuracy in the history of Western art since the Renaissance were primarily the result of optical instruments such as the camera obscura, camera lucida, and curved mirrors, rather than solely due to the development of artistic technique and skill.

Hockney write a book about it that is genuinely fascinating. The one that stands out in my memory most is the way Hockney argues that the mirror and chandelier in Van Eycks Arnolfini Portrait must have been painted using lenses. During the project I even made my own rudimentary lenses to test the theory. It made me a far more realistic painter!

The book Hockney wrote is called Secret Knowledge and there was a BBC documentary of the same name which is on YouTube here.

MrsHathaway · 25/07/2016 21:24

Thanks sashh.

Physics and geography are Not My Area so those snippets are of great interest too I always have to look up whether Nicaragua is in Africa or South America and I have forgotten again already.

Before I specialised in linguistics I sat quite a variety of MML-related papers, one of which was the fascinating C 20 German history paper, for which I attended a set of lectures about the economic history of Germany.

I learned that part of the problem with post-war Germany was that 1910 Germany had been an overwhelmingly agricultural economy (the number I remember is 90%) whereas 1920 Germany was heavily industrial and urban. So they basically had to go through a social Industrial Revolution at the same time as war recovery and with no public money available and having large areas of their new industrial centres occasionally occupied or confiscated by the French. No wonder the currency devalued one billion fold in the 1920s until they threw it down the toilet.

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