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Dating again (gulp) after being widowed

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Somerville · 07/03/2016 14:48

I haven't been active on mn for a while, but I find myself with no-one IRL to ask. Which is fucking ridiculous, I know. It's not that I don't have some good friends. But I feel stupid for being so uncertain about this. Also, like they might judge me for thinking about this so soon. (I was widowed 16 months ago. We were together for 18 years, right from Uni, married for 15. 3 kids who are amazing but still broken hearted. FUCK CANCER.)

Anyway, deep breath. I've become close to someone over the past 6 weeks while emailing about a project we're both involved with in different ways. (Both freelancers in creative fields who work on several projects at a time - this is the only one where our involvement overlaps.) This particular project is very personal to me, as it touches on loss and grief, and our e-conversations became quite deep and I felt like we clicked, and would perhaps become friends. I didn't think about him romantically before we met - mainly I think, because I'm too busy to think about anything much beyond my kids and my work.

On Friday evening we met for the first time, at the official launch of the project. There were a lot of people there, and I'm not gregarious (especially as this was the first big event I've gone along to since everything, and am still receiving some awkward condolences) and he clearly is outgoing. But we ended up chatting in a corner for nearly an hour, couldn't stop talking. I fell for him hard - massive, instant crush Blush. He's so tall, and his eyes are so blue, and I'd forgotten how nice it is to smell an attractive man, and listen to a deep voice... stupid stuff. Then we were interrupted and chatted to other people, though I kept looking over and seeing him smiling at me. I don't think I've smiled so much in ages. I had to leave to catch last train home while event was in full swing, and was too shy to go over and say goodbye.

I haven't heard from him in the few days since (though wouldn't have expected to). But my friend, who is heavily involved with this project and got me the gig, phoned me last night to say that he got her aside, after I left, and said that we had a connection that had come across in our emails and even more in person, and asked her if I had started dating. She told him that I haven't. That I'm not over my husband, and that my kids need a lot of my time. I guess that's all just about accurate. (I've been to a few dinner parties where I've been sat next to flirtatious single men who have not interested me at all.) Or has been, until now. She said she felt bad at discussing me behind my back, and also at speaking for me, but she didn't act like she thought she was materially wrong in what she'd said. I was too embarrassed/tongue tied to correct her. She's right. But also... he feels this connection too? He wants to know if I'm dating?

I've done no work since the school run this morning, just written a list of all the reasons why pursuing this would be a bad idea. (He doesn't have kids, and is I think a few years younger than me. I'm not having any more kids - couldn't do that to mine.)

Also, I have no time! I have a fucking spreadsheet rather than a diary, so full is my time. (My parents come and stay to have the kids one weekend a month, but that's it. One weekend a month for me, which I usually spend in a B&B on the coast, reading and running.)

And another also. He thinks I'm not dating, and I don't know how I'd let him know that I might be interested in dating (him). Should I call back my friend? Correct her, and she could tell him? Or would that look unprofessional, with this project? Shall I wait until it's over (at least 6 months)? Could I in the meantime at least ask her if he's as nice as he seems?

Lots of questions. Even writing this has helped clear my mind a bit. Thanks if you've read it. Any advice much appreciated.

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porkypine · 16/03/2016 19:20

So happy to see such a lovely update. Long may they continue!

babyinthacorner · 16/03/2016 18:38

This has cheered me up no end. This shall from now on be one of my happy places. No pressure of course, Somer!

Somerville · 16/03/2016 15:03

Pathetic, Ha!

AnotherEmma - Well clearly I think he's fab, and you're hearing about him from my POV... I'm sure other opinions on his dateability are out there. In fact the person I know who my friend tried to set him up with said he wasn't cool or edgy enough for her. She clearly likes bad boys Though apparently he said she was nice but no chemistry, which is a much classier way of putting it.

God, reading what you're typing is impossible now, isn't it? Good prod to get some more work done.

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2016Hopeful · 16/03/2016 15:02

Only read a bit of this but he sounds lovely!!! Am enjoying reading. Much nicer than most relationships threads.

Patheticfallacy · 16/03/2016 14:49

Lovely lovely thread. My boyfriend is three and a half years younger than me too. He def looks older thoughWink

AnotherEmma · 16/03/2016 14:42

Skipping the strip club is my favourite thing so far as well! He sounds so wonderful that I'm not surprised everyone tried to set him up with their single female friends! And Grin at your friend trying to take the credit when she told him you weren't ready to date!!

Goingtobeawesome · 16/03/2016 14:25

Grin❤️

Somerville · 16/03/2016 14:16

Or rather, Grin

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Somerville · 16/03/2016 14:16

I don't know what to say to that!

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Goingtobeawesome · 16/03/2016 14:09

This reminds me of when I first got with my last boyfriend. No game playing. Honest about feelings. Not scared to be open.

I married him Grin.

Somerville · 16/03/2016 13:55

Third person I’ve told in RL, and third person to cry happy/bittersweet tears. Totally understandable but also a bit… draining. God, I sound like a bitch.

As for the fun bit… Lovely is def not a player or she wouldn't have set us up. (I didn't remind her that that isn't exactly how it went down... she's clearly going to take credit forever if this works out Grin) She’s known him 2-3 years and at first confused about why he’d never married but then heard about the ttc history and also that his ex wouldn't marry him because of the patriarchy. Lovely and her DP bonded over being the only ones who skipped the strip club part of a stag do. (This makes me happier than anything else I've learned about him.) She’s not aware of him doing OLD but warned he gets invited to a lot of parties to be introduced to married women's single friend. He’s always scrupulously polite but it rarely goes anywhere and she’s not aware of anything recent. (She once tried to fix him up with someone I know well which is a bit awkward.)
Also, apparently after I invited her for lunch she tried to pump him for information. He wouldn’t say anything except that if it complicated the project he would step down from it Shock because whilst he likes working with me, he would ADORE becoming involved with me at a deeper level. Shock Grin Grin

Oh God, he’s as soppy as he is smart, and even though he’s a bloody people pleaser he has good boundaries and I like him even more now. More than like him.

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Somerville · 16/03/2016 13:52

AnotherEmma - Yes it is sad for him/good for us. Same as with me losing DH. Confused

wordassociation - I’ll have you know that my work is still excellent. On the project where I overlap with Lovely. I’m well behind with all the rest. Grin

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wordassociationfootball · 16/03/2016 12:45

Bet you're submitted some really focussed work at the moment, huh, Somer? Grin

AnotherEmma · 16/03/2016 11:46

About the children thing. I'm sorry about what Lovely and his ex went through, but the fact that he's already made peace with not being able to have his own biological children is pretty er... ideal - sorry to use that word for something that was a sad situation for them, but I mean that it avoids a big potential issue in your relationship.

And I think the age difference is a non-issue as well. I know happy couples with MUCH bigger age gaps.

It still sounds very promising to me - even more so than before in fact! Smile

Are you having lunch with your friend/colleague today? If so have fun talking about him! Grin

macshoto · 16/03/2016 11:27

Given female life expectancy of 89 and male of 86, arguably on count back you are the same age Grin so you can stop worrying.

Great to see things are going well.

WhoTheFuckIsSimon · 16/03/2016 11:11

Oh this is the best thread ever!

Goingtobeawesome · 16/03/2016 10:47

Grin. Smitten couple. Lovely Flowers.

Somerville · 16/03/2016 10:38

God, tonight, I wish. Tomorrow night.

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Somerville · 16/03/2016 10:37

LotsofDots - Lovely asked that too. Still not-a-date BUT mainly because I told DD1 I'd talk to her before I started dating, so it's my mental fudge to not feel too guilty for not doing that yet.
I agreed with Lovely that tonight we'd discuss what actually dating might look like for us. Smile

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Somerville · 16/03/2016 10:23

AnotherEmma - A previous relationship fell apart because of the angst of fertility treatment Sad He hated seeing his ExGF go through it and he's made his peace with not having his own naturally.
He said it's not a secret but he was nervous to tell me (because he doesn't want me to think he's trying to step into an already created family) but wanted to so that there were no hurdles in the way of me coming out with him and his friends Smile He's very interested in adoption or fostering and I think I could get my head around that, possibly.

TheFormidableMrsC - Grin

Klaptout - not in a stalker like way Grin
And thank you for sharing your experience. I really do appreciate it. I've been thinking I should try something else with WAY, as so many on here have found it so helpful.

Niseko - Thanks Smile

WordGetsAround - Yes! It's worked out well; I'm having meeting with DD2's teacher while babysitter picks her up. Then coming home while she takes them to their clubs. Lovely is arriving here before the DC get back and then we're walking round to my local.

wordassociation - Oh, wow! The gap feels massive at the moment, but I know it shouldn't. He can't get why I think it's an issue, and I've decided we have enough real complications to bother being hung up about artificial ones.

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LotsofDots · 16/03/2016 09:53

Sounds like a lovely evening, does tomorrow count as a date yet, or is it still a not-a-date?

wordassociationfootball · 16/03/2016 09:43

Filthy car - snap.
Three and a half year age gap - snap (he was 26 and I'd turned 30 when we met) When he hits 45 and starts needing doc and dentist a bit more, the gap, tiny anway, totally disappears Grin

WordGetsAround · 16/03/2016 07:00

Ohhhh! How very exciting! So pleased it went so well - you got to love a bit of romance!! Is Thursday still in too?

NisekoWhistler · 16/03/2016 02:35

Chatting on hands free, wow that is a wonderful sign. I'm so so pleased for you Somer.
I do how the chat with your DD goes well. Good luck for Thursday.

Klaptout · 16/03/2016 00:38

I have so loved reading this, I am cheering you on, not in stalker like way, obviously.
I was widowed nearly 8 years ago, like you I have three children (now young adults)
I've dated and had a relationship for a while that didn't work out, but I'm chatting to a guy on a widowed dating site, all looking promising.
I would say that when you are widowed it's very different than being divorced.
There is no choice when your spouse dies, as I say, you haven't finished loving them yet.
But here's the thing, you are and can go on to loving another, being a widow is almost like having a different sort of ' baggage' I don't particularly like that phrase but I hope you know what I mean.
When you've had a good marriage you are able and want to have another good relationship.
It's not wrong, far from it.
I made a lot of friends through WAY, it was an important step I felt.
I have dated again a whilst the first relationship didn't work, mainly due to the combination of respective offspring.
I am putting tentative feelers out an am having a great time building up another relationship, fingers crossed that it will work for me like it is for you and Mr lovely, I'm just a bit smitten with your description of him.
I'm cheering you on from here.
It's lovely to see your not-a-date flourishing.
I will be watching and waiting for your next update.

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