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Dating again (gulp) after being widowed

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Somerville · 07/03/2016 14:48

I haven't been active on mn for a while, but I find myself with no-one IRL to ask. Which is fucking ridiculous, I know. It's not that I don't have some good friends. But I feel stupid for being so uncertain about this. Also, like they might judge me for thinking about this so soon. (I was widowed 16 months ago. We were together for 18 years, right from Uni, married for 15. 3 kids who are amazing but still broken hearted. FUCK CANCER.)

Anyway, deep breath. I've become close to someone over the past 6 weeks while emailing about a project we're both involved with in different ways. (Both freelancers in creative fields who work on several projects at a time - this is the only one where our involvement overlaps.) This particular project is very personal to me, as it touches on loss and grief, and our e-conversations became quite deep and I felt like we clicked, and would perhaps become friends. I didn't think about him romantically before we met - mainly I think, because I'm too busy to think about anything much beyond my kids and my work.

On Friday evening we met for the first time, at the official launch of the project. There were a lot of people there, and I'm not gregarious (especially as this was the first big event I've gone along to since everything, and am still receiving some awkward condolences) and he clearly is outgoing. But we ended up chatting in a corner for nearly an hour, couldn't stop talking. I fell for him hard - massive, instant crush Blush. He's so tall, and his eyes are so blue, and I'd forgotten how nice it is to smell an attractive man, and listen to a deep voice... stupid stuff. Then we were interrupted and chatted to other people, though I kept looking over and seeing him smiling at me. I don't think I've smiled so much in ages. I had to leave to catch last train home while event was in full swing, and was too shy to go over and say goodbye.

I haven't heard from him in the few days since (though wouldn't have expected to). But my friend, who is heavily involved with this project and got me the gig, phoned me last night to say that he got her aside, after I left, and said that we had a connection that had come across in our emails and even more in person, and asked her if I had started dating. She told him that I haven't. That I'm not over my husband, and that my kids need a lot of my time. I guess that's all just about accurate. (I've been to a few dinner parties where I've been sat next to flirtatious single men who have not interested me at all.) Or has been, until now. She said she felt bad at discussing me behind my back, and also at speaking for me, but she didn't act like she thought she was materially wrong in what she'd said. I was too embarrassed/tongue tied to correct her. She's right. But also... he feels this connection too? He wants to know if I'm dating?

I've done no work since the school run this morning, just written a list of all the reasons why pursuing this would be a bad idea. (He doesn't have kids, and is I think a few years younger than me. I'm not having any more kids - couldn't do that to mine.)

Also, I have no time! I have a fucking spreadsheet rather than a diary, so full is my time. (My parents come and stay to have the kids one weekend a month, but that's it. One weekend a month for me, which I usually spend in a B&B on the coast, reading and running.)

And another also. He thinks I'm not dating, and I don't know how I'd let him know that I might be interested in dating (him). Should I call back my friend? Correct her, and she could tell him? Or would that look unprofessional, with this project? Shall I wait until it's over (at least 6 months)? Could I in the meantime at least ask her if he's as nice as he seems?

Lots of questions. Even writing this has helped clear my mind a bit. Thanks if you've read it. Any advice much appreciated.

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Somerville · 30/03/2016 15:45

I'm with Goingtobeawesome and Emma on physical compatibility - Beyond the basics of knowing you fancy each other (which has been established Grin), my experience to this point in my life is that it's emotional intimacy that makes physical intimacy mind blowingly great.

Mouseinahole- how lovely that your Mil came to your second wedding Smile

Lark - I'm glad your widow found you, not many people are interested in a long period of friendship first. Yes, I agree that Lovely has lots of emotional intelligence and the fact that someone so amazing is prepared to be patient with me makes me like him even more. Smile

Lotsofdots- exhibit 12 is still making me cringe. Especially as Lovely drove to his parents home for Easter afterwards, and he seems to be a bit of a blabber mouth to his family. Really hope he hasn't told them that one...

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Goingtobeawesome · 30/03/2016 14:01

Coming back to say ITYS and a Wink on this lovely thread would mean I'd have to throw rotten eggs at you Hmm.

LarkDescending · 30/03/2016 10:46

Loving the Lovely updates. I can't help a wry grin at "slow-burning" - you should have seen me and my widower at first! He was still so raw when we met (12 months widowed) that there was no place for anything other than tender friendship for many months at the beginning. But that was fine, and love is patient.

I agree with those who say that wobbles are inevitable as you take tangible steps to move forward, and that it's not about the person or the particular timing, but just goes with the territory. Lovely is clearly brimming with emotional intelligence and empathy amongst his other laudable attributes - just what the doctor ordered! Wishing you all the best going forward.

blindsider · 30/03/2016 10:30

Anotheremma

Now you are just coming across as impatient Grin

AnotherEmma · 30/03/2016 09:48

blindsider Don't get me wrong, I don't believe in waiting until marriage Grin I just think waiting a few months wouldn't do any harm and might be a good thing for some.

LotsofDots · 30/03/2016 09:42

So pleased to hear all is still going forward in such a lovely fashion.

You know when I said this was like the plot of a Richard Curtis film and you said it wasn't somer? I would like to add the evidence exhibit 12 - you accidentally said 'lickable jaw'.

Joking aside, I have no experience of your situation but I think the way in which you appear to be handling everything is admirable.

blindsider · 30/03/2016 09:41

Another Emma

Fair enough.

I hope i don't have cause to come back and say ITYS Wink

AnotherEmma · 30/03/2016 09:36

Not physically compatible? I don't really believe that tbh... Unless one partner has really "out there" sexual tastes that the other doesn't share, I'm pretty sure most couples can have a sexual relationship they both enjoy. The key is communication and practice Wink

FWIW OP I think being up front about feelings and taking the physical side slowly (also waiting to introduce him to your DCs) is very sensible.

blindsider · 30/03/2016 09:26

Don't wait too long as I can imagine there is nothing worse than being completely in love with someone you are not physically compatible with??

Mouseinahole · 30/03/2016 09:25

No help I know but I remarried 19 months after being widowed. There was no criticism, my first mil came to the wedding!

Goingtobeawesome · 30/03/2016 09:22

Definitely a good plan.

DH and I were months together before we did the deed. My ex friend took the piss out of me knowing I loved him before I had had sex with him. It pissed me off big time. Sex complicates things and makes feelings out of things that aren't necessarily there. I knew I loved him. And I still do.

Somerville · 30/03/2016 09:20

Okay, there's clearly a significance to being his plus one to a wedding that I missed... Grin

Yes thinking about slow burning , that doesn't describe us emotionally. We've acknowledged that our feelings for each other are very strong. But we're taking slowly the stuff that's within our control; like him meeting my DC and physical stuff.

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DiggerDigsDogs · 30/03/2016 06:37

^ what Anotheremma said!

Wedding invites are not slow burn. Smile

AnotherEmma · 29/03/2016 19:37

I don't think inviting you to his friends' wedding is slow progress! I love how up front you have both been about how much you like each other and want to try having a relationship Smile

Goingtobeawesome · 29/03/2016 19:25

Smile.

Somerville · 29/03/2016 19:16

You lot crack me up Grin Grin

I must admit that the response was/is surprising - this is the slowest burning relationship in the history of relationships and I can't work out for the life of me why it's interesting to follow. I seriously thought the first 'place marking' post was a piss take. But all the responses have either been helpful or funny, and it's nice to have somewhere to talk about Lovely, since I'm still being very careful in RL. And it's amazing to have heard from so many other widows, or those in relationships with widowers, or who've had friends in my situation; I don't come across this IRL.

Also, directly because of this thread, I've signed up for another WAY event, and I think some other widows (who are lurking and have PM'd me) have also heard about it who hadn't before. Well done twofalls who I believe first brought up WAY on here. Smile

Dowser - that all sounds like the sort of relationship I'd like to have. Maybe it'll happen with Lovely, and maybe not, but I'm having fun finding out Smile

He's being very sensitive to my feelings about DH at the moment, seems to be feeling his way with regards to what upsets me and what's okay. When he invited me to his friends' wedding he asked me first if weddings upset me at this stage but I went to two last summer and was able to enjoy them.

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blindsider · 29/03/2016 17:13

Somer

Ignore Diggerdigsdogs, the nation is gripped, we absolutely demand to be kept in the loop!! Wink
Massively hoping you too have met just the right person.

Dowser · 29/03/2016 10:07

I refer to my second husbands late wife by her first name.

Not that much now as we seem to have talked out all that stuff a few years ago but if we do touch on anything like that I call her by her name to DH.

It seems more respectful and DH has definitely moved on now.

Funnily enough he mentioned her yesterday to my son and fiancée as he was describing a place they used to go to. All just said so naturally which I think is how it should be.

Pleased all is going well Somer. Was wondering how you were doing.

DiggerDigsDogs · 29/03/2016 02:50

FFS autocorrect Hmm

DiggerDigsDogs · 29/03/2016 02:49

Sorry Blush that souls read Somer not Sometimes

DiggerDigsDogs · 29/03/2016 02:48

Sometimes you aren't beholden to us. If you disappear from the thread forever that's fine. Of course we're all cheering you on (and want updates if it gets all serious - for maximum wedding hat planning of courseWink)

Glad the DC and parents reacted well.

Goingtobeawesome · 28/03/2016 18:14

Your late DH will never be your XDH...

I HOPE YOU HAVE a lovely next date with Mr Lovely.

Somerville · 28/03/2016 18:00

When I think about (and talk about) my widower fiancé's wife, it doesn't feel quite right to say "first wife" (and never "ex wife"). It's just "wife".

I can't stop thinking about this. It ties in with something that has very much been on my mind: that although theoretically I've felt all along that I'll meet someone else and get married again at some later stage, the reality of that is that it turns DH into my XDH. Which feels like a terrible betrayal. But your words are right, Cabrinha. He'll still always be my husband, even if I do have another one. And in the shorter term, if Lovely is my boyfriend (no grand declarations but it kind of feels that way) then that doesn't mean I'm cheating on DH. I know that, just need to get my head around feeling it too, but it helps that no-one on here or IRL has reacted with the kind of horror I expect anytime I tell someone. Smile

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Somerville · 28/03/2016 17:26

DD2 is all excited about Lovely, even though I'm trying to play it all down as much as possible. Every time my phone rings she tried to grab it first to get to talk to him, which is a bit stressful tbh, though also sweet.
DS has been quiet, but did suddenly come out with 'Does this work friend you've been on a date with even like rugby?' a day later. But he does tend to be quite quiet about things until he's processed them so I'm trying to not panic.

And I've talked to Lovely a few times every day, or emailed. We have lots of times planned in to see each other in April, including me coming along to his friends wedding. Smile

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Somerville · 28/03/2016 17:18

Oh wow, this is all very thought provoking (in a good way), thank you Cabrinha and everyone.

I've said it before on this thread Cabrinha; I wish that everyone who loses a spouse could meet someone as thoughtful as you are.

Also, sorry to disappear for a few days - just busy with the DC. I have told my younger 2 about Lovely. Also my parents - DM gets very worried about things and is nervous about it all, but DF is calming her down.

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