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Has DH got another think coming or have I got another thing coming???

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NotMyRealName2015 · 01/11/2015 14:56

I’ll clarify Blush

DH and I were having a light hearted debate about who was going to sort the garden out this afternoon (there are weeds growing out of weeds, and we have guests coming this week)
DH said that if I thought he was doing it today ‘I had another thing coming’.

I pointed out the phrase was ‘another think coming’ and that he should now go and do the garden as punishment for his failure. Grin
However, he is insisting I am wrong and that ‘thing’ is the right word. I say that doesn’t even make sense! What ‘thing’ is coming?? He just says ‘English doesn’t always make sense.’ (Not technically his first language but he has a British parent so has always been bilingual and is completely fluent)

MN jury needed. Who is correct??
Loser will obviously be doing the garden. Winner will sit down with coffee and biscuits, looking smug and saying 'you've missed a bit.'

OP posts:
clam · 02/11/2015 13:17

It is not "possible that both are right." As evidenced on here, 'thing' is based on mishearing the correct term of 'think.'

We're going round in circles here.

GreenPotato · 02/11/2015 13:17

The "I think" at the start of my post means "in my opinion".

Interesting discussion here which traces "thing" back even earlier:
jeremybutterfield.wordpress.com/2015/06/30/3035/

squoosh · 02/11/2015 13:09

You forgot 'in my opinion'.

GreenPotato · 02/11/2015 13:08

Well I think it's more efficient and easy to use because THING MAKES MORE SENSE! (and is easier to say)

However I can there are polarised views on this and that's why I said earlier that it's also possible that both are right.

mercifulTehlu · 02/11/2015 12:58

w-r-o-n-g

mercifulTehlu · 02/11/2015 12:56

Exactly, MaidofStars! Part of my degree was about historical linguistics. Lots of changes to language do indeed involve simplification, getting rid of confusing or unnecessarily complex things. There is nothing useful about getting one word of an idiomatic phrase wrong. That isn't progress. It's a lack of understanding about what the phrase actually means!

squishee · 02/11/2015 12:56

t-h-i-n-g

mercifulTehlu · 02/11/2015 12:51

Yep, you can say "It's 'thing' in our house" until you're blue in the face. That doesn't make it correct. Look it up (in a proper dictionary, not Google)!

From my Oxford Concise Dictionary:

PHRASES: 'have (got) another think coming' (informal) - used to express disagreement

I found an online reference to an addition to the full O.E.D. which mentioned 'have another thing coming, and said it had become quite commonly used and was based on a mishearing of the correct phrase. It's still wrong though.

MaidOfStars · 02/11/2015 12:40

That progress is evolution, it progresses towards more efficiency
If you can tell me how a change from "think" to "thing" creates a more efficient use of language, knock yourself out....

MaidOfStars · 02/11/2015 12:36

Cats get spayed

Cats = C = noun
Spayed = S = verb

Practice/licence = noun
Practise/license = verb

I'm sure there are more obvious tricks to remembering it, involving other permutations of C nouns and S verbs, but that one's stuck with me.

KeepitDown · 02/11/2015 12:29

I don't think moving forward in time always means our habits and practices improve. I think language can evolve in terms of new words/phrases coming into use, or definitions being further clarified.

But when phrases and words change because they have simply been misheard/misunderstood and then repeated over and over again, I see that as degeneration of language, something undesirable... moving away from clarity instead of towards it.

However, I don't think about any of it quite as seriously as perhaps my post sounds, and I frequently make my own mistakes (see recent "think" conversion). Smile

GreenPotato · 02/11/2015 12:22

But it's not a lost battle, in the sense that every word you're using now has been arrived at through that progress. That progress is evolution, it progresses towards more efficiency

Anyone who thinks "all language should stay as it was, because that is right so you think we should all be just saying "ug"?

KeepitDown · 02/11/2015 12:18

Wow, I've been a "thing-er" my whole life and never knew it was wrong!

In my head it always made sense in a kind of - whatever thing/situation you anticipate happening is wrong because another (ie. different) thing is coming (going to happen).

"Another thing" as in a different thing (to what you expect/have planned), not an additional thing.

However, I am now a convert to the "think" side. I agree that language changes due to misuse, but I see that as a lost battle, not progress. Wink

Frequentblooper · 02/11/2015 12:15

It's "thing" for sure at least in my family and where I come from that's how it said ! or you might be getting mixed up with "if that's what you think you can think again"

OooooohMissDiane · 02/11/2015 12:13

Only a div says 'Think' - OF COURSE IT'S NOT THINK. Thing thing thingy thing thing.

THING.

Pedestriana · 02/11/2015 12:12

It's not thing. Thing makes no sense.
The correct form is " If that's what you think, you've got another think coming."

(Realise I'm late to the pedant party on this)

BugritAndTidyup · 02/11/2015 12:11

As an aside, I'm really enjoying this thread. I hope I'm not getting on anyone's nerves or that anyone thinks I'm harping on. I think there's some extremely interesting questions about the use of the English language to be asked here. so there.

BugritAndTidyup · 02/11/2015 12:09

Often 'what's going to happen' isn't actually a "thing" anyway.

Can you clarify that, please, because I think this is where the two sides of the argument are getting snagged.

How can 'what's going to happen' ever not be a thing? A thing is just.. Well, one of the definitions is an abstract object, event or concept. And that applies to... Well, pretty much everything that there could ever possibly be.

I'm struggling - really! - to picture what you could possibly mean when you talk about something that isn't a thing. Because... What on earth could it possibly be?

If someone can explain to me why a belief that an event which may or may not happen can't be described as a thing I'd love to hear it. Or if you have an example, please share.

Let's take the example above of the forgotten tenner and the possible event of its being forgotten. Do you agree that's a thing?

(And while 'think' is used as a noun, it's almost always used to refer to the more general act of thinking, rather than a specific individual thought. But that's by the by to my main point.)

JonSnowKnowsNowt · 02/11/2015 12:07

Notime - "think" is an archaic noun, it's an old phrase. And it's still used in the phrase 'I'll have a think about that'. I don't think it means a single "thought" but rather a 'period of thinking'.

i.e. 'if you think i'm coming to that party, you've another think coming' means 'if you think i'm coming to that party, you've some more thinking to do'.

squoosh · 02/11/2015 12:05

Think can be a noun too though.

Notimefortossers · 02/11/2015 12:00

Surely 'You've another think coming' is grammatically incorrect? Wouldn't it be 'You've got another thought coming?'

JonSnowKnowsNowt · 02/11/2015 11:52

How about 'if you think this thing is going to happen, then you've got another thing coming.'? Does that make sense?

It's a good attempt at rationalisation, and lots of people on this thread have tried it. But it's a bit of a grammatical stretch. Often 'what's going to happen' isn't actually a "thing" anyway.

'If you think x is going to happen, you can think again'
'If you think x is going to happen, you've another think coming'

These are the only correct formulations. "Think" has a long history of being both a verb and a noun: 'I'll think about that / I'll have a think about that'.

LadyR77 · 02/11/2015 11:51

Definitely think, not thing. Think makes much more sense!

JonSnowKnowsNowt · 02/11/2015 11:48

Worserest is as worsely as it gets.

BugritAndTidyup · 02/11/2015 11:44

It's think. 'Thing' Doesn't even make sense!Unless you'd say 'If you THING that, you've another thing coming'. Which again, makes no sense!

How about 'if you think this thing is going to happen, then you've got another thing coming.'? Does that make sense?

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