What sexist behaviour would be the most shocking if reversed?

Never read the comments!

Average Male 4,000% Less Effective In Fights Than They Imagine

Heh heh. Love The Onion

Aaaaaaaand what do the comments under the Huh Magazine link say? Whataboutthemen!!!

FFS.

He was a "hot accounting CEO", apparently.

Headlines, rewritten:

m.huhmagazine.co.uk/6785/tabloid-headlines-if-they-werent-sexist

Oh, I don't know, Buffy. The guy with the bowling pin crown was quite amusing.....

Unfortunately this tumblr is less joyous. Oh well.

100percentmen.tumblr.com

Ooh, I wanted this to exist AND IT DOES!

menlaughingalonewithsalad.tumblr.com

Check out the last guy throwing the salad and being carefree!

What never ceases to amaze me when these men turn up is that they all have this absolute arrogance that they're telling is Something New, as if we will suddenly see the light and scales will fall from our eyes. When the truth of course is that scales fell from our eyes long ago, which is why we're here, and they're saying exactly the same thing as AnotherRandomGoodGuy told us last week and the week before that and the week before that and the week before that.

"I'm on your side, honest, but if you'd just be nicer to men you'd get a lot further with your feminist stuff".

Meanwhile, "being nice" has never got women anywhere other than the universal doormats and punching bags of men.

I wholeheartedly agree to the existence of various male faults, why oh why can't anyone here admit to the ocasional female fault. Are you all as perfect as us guys are regularly told?

Billinteds... Don't cherry pick sentences out of context, it took your subsequent explanation to make belated sense of it.

And good night to you, got a busy day tomorrow with work, childcare, cooking, cleaning..... oh you wouldn't understand. (It gives me a glimpse of both sides of the fence).

Oops!

Flora, hello!

Flo

Adifferenttake can I suggest you change your name to theSameTakeYou'llHearOnEveryTVShowRadioShowInternetForumNewspaperOrRandomBlokeDownThePub

Because "storming off to the pub" and the offensive phrase you used were nothing like equivalent in levels of belligerence.

HTH.

By the way, I am no longer going to respond to your posts, as you have no interest in discussing this in good faith. Good bye.

Dressing for (office) work? a man has, effectively, a uniform to wear with very little deviation acceptable. My wife would much rather not have to work with people of either gender who dress as if for a night out (her words). Yes you're right, it shouldn't matter, but it does apparently. People, including your peers set the agenda as regards one's look. Please don't turn your fire on men (we get zero input re. clothes anyway) but suggest what might constitute a set of common goals or standards perhaps. I would love to wear whatever the hell I like at work but am expected to toe the line, is it too much too ask for a reciprocal arrangement??

As regards men having to address the reason for making women feel so uncomfortable in various public environments, how about this:
Some women have been scarred by deeply unpleasant men. Absolutely true. Is there any point trying to convince you of my modest efforts to address this? BUT there are also women who are mousy, unconfident people who want us men (and confident women) to go away while they go about their business, and sod how we feel. OK, fair enough, but why can't you see that us guys would like to sometimes request that we don't want the distraction of, say, acres of flesh thrust in our faces at work, and sod how you feel. Equality is a two way street unfortunately.

"woman somewhere being an hysterical, illogical, unreasonable tyrant"
Come on now, Billinteds... why did you omit my balancing statement - "I WILL accept that for every man who storms off to the pub there is a woman...." That's not very helpful is it?

Anyway, you remain unconvinced of my credentials so i fear there is little hope of you reaching out to the neanderthals who don't even give a fig what happens. At least I'm showing a glimmer of interest and often stick my head in the oven to be involved. A passionate topic this might be, but we're going have to keep talking and talking etc..... and hopefully get to where we all want to be.

My posts are long, but short utterances do the topic a disservice.

Now now, Annie, one mustn't be belligerent.

Although use of terms like "testerical" would apparently not be belligerent...

Rolls eyes, gives up and goes to bed.

Wanders back in in dressing gown to make the freakin' obvious point that we're hardly likely to want to engage with yet another man telling us that we're Doing Feminism Wrong and should Listen To The Person With the Penis if we ever want to be Taken Seriously.

Why oh why don't some people understand that most feminists want the stupid, belittling media about men to end as well.

My contribution: Men would get pregnant, give birth, whether penally or by CS and the MOST important thing about their body, rather than incontinence, pain, changes, recovery, would be whether they could get back to perky awesomeness quickly. Well, George Clooney got back his pre-baby body in six weeks after all.

Excuse the terrible auto corrects.

O er - over
Classiest - classist

The fact that if your wife worked with a man who was very conventionally groomed and took a lot of time o er his clothes, she/you would not be describing him as a toy (Dolly) or animal (bird). Men can be clever and choose conventional looks.
Women have to signal they are middle class and intelligent by looking "feminist".

God forbid a tanned blonde with large breasts be clever and not signal this by dressing in a certain way lest someone ogles her!

TBH "dolly bird" is both sexist and classiest.

But what would I know? I have brassy red hair and glittery nail extensions, and am thus both irritating and offensive to respectable women who dress to ensure men know they are none threateningly asexual and therefore intelligent.
Women have told me 'helpfully' similar messages to the dolly bird one. Often leading to embarrassment when it turned out I was the manager they had come to work for.
Because sexist culture can become the norm in terms of expectation for both genders... I've made a point of not submitting to the M&S suit mafia.

"women delight in watching & reading about vacuous social trivia and judging their peers"

"despair that she has to work with "plastic dolly birds" "

"woman somewhere being an hysterical, illogical, unreasonable tyrant"

This is you being one of the good guys? This is you meeting in the middle and laying down spears?

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

These make you think

Male superheroes

and more

and a few more

Oh dear. Too tired to engage properly, so will just add graphics

Too many to address in one easy soundbite.

"Women being told with loud derision (usually in front of others) that their bodies are ugly and ridiculous." YThats not a reverse situation. You think this doesn't happen at the moment? Just look at any mainstream media and magazines. Talk about having a male gaze."

The mainstream media, as far as I can see, has a predominantly female commentary. It is so ironic that women delight in watching & reading about vacuous social trivia and judging their peers. I can absolutely see your point, but why do the 'sisters' do this? Male gaze?? women dress "for each other, not men" apparently. And ultimately, why do women feel they have to put themselves under so much pressure? It drives my wife (who is a well-rounded, feminine, beautiful women) to despair that she has to work with "plastic dolly birds" in a professional office environment.

I WILL accept that for every man who storms off to the pub, there is a woman somewhere being an hysterical, illogical, unreasonable tyrant. I worked for one such woman for several years, brilliant and awful iin equal measure.

Please engage with what men are saying in these discussions. Please don't automatically dismiss moderate men, who want to see the world change for the better for their daughters. There are plenty of neanderthal men who are such a problem, but believe me, I have seen many equally dreadful women too. I believe that men must change/concede/accept more than women, but try to understand the opposing views however 'wrong' they may seem to you. The good guys are baffled by this beligerence, the bad guys i suspect, are inclined to lash out. I am not putting any blame onto yourselves (can't speak for every man) but we both need to meet in the middle, put down our spears, and engage cooly and rationally.

I don't agree with several of the examples this thread has raised, but I always do my very best to respect these views and their posters. I am living in a predominantly female environment, have done for 10 years or so. I absolutely get what you are striving for, but you're going to have to accept that regularly I see good, honest men utterly destroyed by some established, accepted female behaviour. Boo hoo "what about the men?" you say? Well how about "what about the women"? and around and around it goes....