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What sexist behaviour would be the most shocking if reversed?

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GrumpyOldNag · 06/06/2014 17:05

I was thinking feminist thoughts to myself (as you do Grin ), and I was thinking about how this belief that sexism doesn't exist anymore creates a huge backlash against anyone who speaks out against it, which in turn makes people who do in fact believe in equal rights for men and women try to distance themselves from feminism because it's perceived as crazy and unreasonable. The problem is that a lot of it is so ingrained in our culture and society that it is completely normalised, and the majority of people don't even notice it anymore.

So what would be the most obvious, outrageous sexist behaviour, if we swapped the genders? Would it be men being followed, harassed and intimidated in the street, or on the music channel men gyrating and grinding dressed increasingly revealing clothing while women are all fully clothed? Men dancing in the windows of the red light district, or the overwhelming majority of politicians and CEOs being female?

What in your opinion would bring about the most uproar if one day sexism suddenly switched genders?

Sorry if any part of this doesn't make sense, I had a beautifully written OP all typed out and then my iPad lost it all for no apparent reason... Angry

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KristinaM · 07/06/2014 13:56

I always ask male colleagues /friends who have just had a baby how long they are taking off work and if they are going back part time .

Whe I get the inevitable " oh no, my wife /gf /partner is taking maternity leave ", I then ask

" don't you feel guilty about her damaging her career to look after your child "

To which I usually get " dunno, I never thought about it " or "she doesn't mind "

Well exactly

MorrisZapp · 07/06/2014 13:51

When fathers go on golf trips, their friends saying 'who is looking after the kids?' then asking them how often they've been away in the past and how the childcare all worked out.

When mothers go on trips, no mention of kids at all beyond a cursory 'family alright?' and a nod.

somedizzywhore1804 · 07/06/2014 13:50

Very interesting thread.

bigkidsdidit · 07/06/2014 13:46

If every panel show, ever, on telly was all female, I think men would be genuinely shocked. DH never noticed every single comedy or discussion show was almost all male till I pointed it out.

BriarRainbowshimmer · 07/06/2014 13:41

Both in real life and on the internet, discussions and spaces are dominated by women.

If men try to discuss the things posted on this thread online, WRA's and other angry anti-masculinists will soon show up and harass them, yelling not all women are like that, what about the women, and call them hysterical woman-haters. If they don't want to see naked boys on page 3 they hate sex.

BriarRainbowshimmer · 07/06/2014 13:31

Man needs new clothes.
It takes him ages, he visits many different shops, vading through transparent garish trendy polyester items, trying on things. Cries because everything is so revealing, nothing is flattering and he hasn’t got the body of a 14 year old boy anymore.
Looks longingly at the women’s department full of basic, classic clothes in neutral colours and natural fabrics.
Knows that he will be seen as feminine, gay and dangerously anti-women if he starts wearing comfortable clothes, flat shoes, short hair, no makeup & stops shaving. Knows he has to use makeup etc to look masculine enough, look presentable at work, be seen as heterosexual and not be harassed for being a gay butch. But he will still be sexually harassed & needs a nipple cover so women don’t see his sexual and immodest nipple outline through his tops.

Scarletohello · 07/06/2014 13:31

Actually there is a feminist parody of Blurred Lines, here it is...

m.youtube.com/watch?v=V_kfNrK8ZUQ&feature=kp

Scarletohello · 07/06/2014 13:28

A music video with 2 fully dressed women and 3 naked men cavorting around. One blond, one brown haired and one mixed race. The song is about how ' boys' know they want sex really even if they are saying no.

kickassangel · 07/06/2014 13:27

Single dads being called sluts and seen as an irresponsible drain on resources while it's fine for the women to walk off and ignore the child.

Young boys being married to older women so that they can become a house slave and inmpregnate them from age 13.

LadyNexus · 07/06/2014 13:01

Men on page three.

Showing off their huge perfectly waxed shiny balls.

With a caption like 'Dave thinks the conflict in the Middle East is just awful'

While Dave is straddling a tiger with a lollipop in his mouth.

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NotAgainTrevor · 07/06/2014 12:59

Women coming onto men aggressively in pubs and clubs, often using the exact same body language they use when squaring up for a fight, then dismissing the threat felt as she was just being friendly.

When they complain about the way they are treated they get shouted down as not all Women are like that.

Scarletohello · 07/06/2014 12:31

This is a brilliant thread! Is making me a bit angry tho. The times I've had conversations with men about what women have to face and they literally don't see it. I guess that's the first of the 'male privileges', that they are unaware of their privilege and see it as just normal and natural.

AnotherSpinningFuckingRainbow · 07/06/2014 12:08

Men being told they look "tired" if they don't wear makeup.

claraschu · 07/06/2014 11:58

Men wearing false nails and eyelashes, and clothes and shoes which make movement difficult and uncomfortable, also makeup and hair treatments which take lots of time and effort. Teen boys unwilling to run around, swim, play freely because of danger of mussing said makeup and hair.

AnotherSpinningFuckingRainbow · 07/06/2014 11:53

Men being routinely asked "who looks after your children while you're at work?" "Does your wife mind you working?" Angry

AnotherSpinningFuckingRainbow · 07/06/2014 11:51

Haha, a whole third eh! Anyone would think females represented 52% of the population or something.

casparthecat · 07/06/2014 11:51

Asking a man if he was still expecting the same level of pay because the job is part-time and flexible as I was last week.

Er yes.... because you are paying for my expertise, twot bollox!!!

Can just imagine him asking a male IT contractor the same question.

grimbletart · 07/06/2014 11:49

Complaining that schools, the media etc. have become "masculinised" because 30% of top jobs are filled by men.

(I get fed up reading that certain jobs have become feminised - BBC case in point - because nearly a third of jobs are filled by women).

AnotherSpinningFuckingRainbow · 07/06/2014 11:41

JapaneseMargaret you are spot on.

CaptChaos · 07/06/2014 11:34

Couples who, when they find out that the foetus the woman is carrying is male considering aborting it for that reason.

If a woman gives birth to a boy baby, thinking of ways to kill it before the authorities notice, or if they have noticed, starving the boy baby to death because girls are better bets Sad

JapaneseMargaret · 07/06/2014 11:25

I've just gone through and tried to read this thread through the eyes of an unenlightened man. Try it - quite the eye-oener. It's actually quite 'threatening' reading.

I've suddenly had an insight into quite why the MRA-types are massively intimidated by women getting together and discussing stuff that pisses us off. They would HATE their partners to be exposed to this sort of discussion, because th stuff that pisses us off is fucking terrible. Terrible enough to cause a revolution. If it weren't for the fact that so many women are perfectly happy with the status quo...

AnotherSpinningFuckingRainbow · 07/06/2014 11:15

Just to be clear, the sentences in which I have used the terms above I have seen on threads during forum raids by predominantly male forums, on MN.

AnotherSpinningFuckingRainbow · 07/06/2014 11:13

The language men use about women (I'm talking about a significant minority of men here), I just cannot imagine women talking about men as a group in the same way. There are a fair few terms men use to avoid saying the word women or woman, I'm trying to think up what the equivalent would be in this parallel world. I've used adaptations of phrases that I've read on other forums, or heard men say in real life:

"Bird" - cock? I'm going out to see my cock tonight

"Bit" - Bit would cover it for a man too - Look at that Bit over there

"Split-arse (my favourite term for a female Angry)" - Ball-Sack? Some fat ball-sack moaning about his wife

"Clunge" - Plunge? Going to a club to check out the Plunge

BelleCurve · 07/06/2014 10:52

85% of company directors, because men don't want the responsibilty

AnotherSpinningFuckingRainbow · 07/06/2014 10:31

Slim, attractive men singing in bands, the backing musicians being older, overweight, hirsute women. Most male singers not playing an instrument.