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What sexist behaviour would be the most shocking if reversed?

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GrumpyOldNag · 06/06/2014 17:05

I was thinking feminist thoughts to myself (as you do Grin ), and I was thinking about how this belief that sexism doesn't exist anymore creates a huge backlash against anyone who speaks out against it, which in turn makes people who do in fact believe in equal rights for men and women try to distance themselves from feminism because it's perceived as crazy and unreasonable. The problem is that a lot of it is so ingrained in our culture and society that it is completely normalised, and the majority of people don't even notice it anymore.

So what would be the most obvious, outrageous sexist behaviour, if we swapped the genders? Would it be men being followed, harassed and intimidated in the street, or on the music channel men gyrating and grinding dressed increasingly revealing clothing while women are all fully clothed? Men dancing in the windows of the red light district, or the overwhelming majority of politicians and CEOs being female?

What in your opinion would bring about the most uproar if one day sexism suddenly switched genders?

Sorry if any part of this doesn't make sense, I had a beautifully written OP all typed out and then my iPad lost it all for no apparent reason... Angry

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Scarletohello · 08/06/2014 12:50

Tbh I wouldn't want to treat men in such a dehumanising way, knowing what it feels like to be on the receiving end. I want true equality where it's ok for men to express their humanity, including their 'feminine' side and not be castigated for that.

TweeAintMee · 08/06/2014 12:42

Men playing beach volleyball in tight little speedos.

specialmagiclady · 08/06/2014 12:35

I have been thinking about insulting words for men, in particularly ones that you could argue "were just a joke" in the way that degrading language for women is sometimes.

Equivalent to chick, babe, love: stud?

"The stud behind the bar" "Alright, stud? Can I have a packet of nails?" Reduces his function to sexual only.

I also quite like wanker. It could be argued that it is not an insult. After all, almost everyone masturbates, so it is factually correct. Also, men sometimes use it teasingly among friends "wankaaaah" is a greeting I've often heard in pubs etc. It could be used in the way the N word was - to subtly degrade men while saying "it's descriptive" or "I heard you calling your mate that".

Is it me, or does this thread sound fucking brilliant. I would love it if the world were plastered with young men's perfect chests and abs....

OublietteBravo · 08/06/2014 12:34

People assuming that anyone with the title 'Dr' or 'Prof' must be female.

A men's sporting competition being referred to as the men's World Cup (since the World Cup would obviously refer to the female competition).

Female coaches being the norm for men's teams.

Hormonal being used as a derrogatory term when referring to men's behavior if they show even an iota of aggression.

CaptChaos · 08/06/2014 12:21

When going to get results of fertility tests, the doctor will smile broadly at the woman and tell her in a matey way "Well, it's not your fault!" and then look pointedly at the man.

Yes, I'm looking at you military doctor in Germany. It wasn't even for fertility tests per se, the man had been blasted with microwaves at one point and they were trying to see if it had permanently damaged his ability to produce viable sperm.

chibi · 08/06/2014 12:14

no one giving a shit about men's sexual fulfilment as they get more out of cuddles anyway, whereas women's sex drives are powerful and not to be denied

OublietteBravo · 08/06/2014 12:14

...and then a male version of this m.youtube.com/watch?v=g032MPrSjFA
being used to try and encourage more men to consider STEM subjects.

NotAgainTrevor · 08/06/2014 12:07

Men being denied access to education and restricted in academia for centuries, when few men have been able to make great developments their achievements are either ignored, such as Ross Franklin, or only acknowledged because their female colleagues insisted that they were, such as Mark Curie.

Despite this the lack of visible male role models in STEM is seen as clear proof that women are far better in these subjects. Any males who question this are written off as thickos who can't see this obvious evidence of female superiority.

noddingoff · 08/06/2014 11:27

I'm reading an interview with Joanna Rowsell in the weekend paper and trying to imagine the same article interviewing Duncan Goodhew. Only a quarter of the article would be about his sporting success, then the next quarter the interviewer asking him what it was like competing at the Olympics being bald, nearly half of the rest about what he eats and a paragraph about him eating chocolate, his body image, what he thinks sport does for teenage body's confidence in their bodies. All accompanied by a large photo of him dressed up for a night out, with a couple of much smaller photos of him with medals.

enderwoman · 08/06/2014 11:13

Men judging how others feed their child, their child's school, discipline method...

Men getting stressed about what to wear when going out.

Men wondering "girlfriend" jeans or boot cut are in at the moment.

Men taking charge of stuff like finding a nursery for their child and whether or not they live in the catchment of the school.

Words like slut, hormonal, nag would describe men.

NotAgainTrevor · 08/06/2014 01:46

Hope this isn't triggering to anyone regarding infertility/pregnancy loss, but I feel it needs to be said if we are switching the sexes

In the case of infertility everyone would automatically assume it is the 'fault' of the man. If TTC men would be policed and criticised over everything they did. Some family members would still say it was the fault of the man even when the problem was known to be with the woman, as we couldn't have anyone thinking she was unwomanly.

We vigorously protect the health of the foetus and suggest that men should always consider their wives to be pre-pregnant and ensure their sperm was top quality at all time, no alcohol, no smoking, no tight shorts, ensuring they don't injure their testicles through sports and other activities. Many women would consider miscarriage and birth defects to be due to this faulty sperm and some countries would imprison men for this crime. Men would alway blame themselves for their obviously faulty sperm and would feel less of a man, huge swathes of society would back up this view. Cos really providing sperm is the only real purpose of men after all and if they can't even do that right.....

Lawyers in the US are currently building a test case against a man who has admitted recklessly taking a long cycle ride before having a few cheeky glasses of rose with the boys the day before his wife conceived.

All drugs are tested against the default human and do not always take into account the differing structures and endocrine systems of men. This means they are not always as effective and calculating the correct dose can be problematic. Women don't give a damn, not their problem after all, but if men try and do something about health problems which solely affect them women are up in arms about the misogyny.

likklemum · 08/06/2014 01:28

When the baby wakes, the man automatically gets up to deal with them- he must do this several times a night. He must also ensure that during the day, he looks his best (losing weight and staying trim) and keeps the house tidy and clean.

likklemum · 08/06/2014 01:25

Men having to wear heels to give them a better shape- even though it makes it difficult to walk quickly and painful to stand all day. In winter, women can wear jeans and a long-sleeved top for a night on the town. Men would wear summer clothes- short shorts and vest tops (heels of course) and would stand shivering in the queue whilst being leered at by drunk females.

LizzieVereker · 08/06/2014 00:40

The fashion industry would be run by women, but their main consumers would be young men. The women would design clothes which didn't fit the average man properly, or allow for his natural shape. Men would feel the need to cultivate an unnatural body shape to fit into the clothes, rather than demanding clothes that actually fitted. Any man who dressed for comfort rather than "fashion" would be accused of "letting himself go". Most men, rather than a minority, would also take to waxing, trimming and plucking bits if themselves off, and painting bits of themselves different colours to please the female dominated beauty industry.

OutsSelf · 08/06/2014 00:39

One would describe oneself has having a master and mean "a younger lover behind our DH' s back;" whereas to have a mistress would be to imply that one knew an expert of something or someone otherwise in charge of.our knowledge/ career development in some capacity.

KristinaM · 08/06/2014 00:17

< fist bumps Boffin mum >

BoffinMum · 07/06/2014 23:40

KristinaM, I do that too. Wink

NotAgainTrevor · 07/06/2014 23:35

Do you think a female MP should say that to Cameron?

Hell yes, and if he complains everyone can talk about how pathetic he is and he was being testerical, typical men, we shouldn't have let them out of the kitchen.

'Jokes'

What do you say to a man with two black eyes? Nothing, you've already told him twice.

Any man complaining would be told he has no sense of humour, fucking uppity masculinists.

BoffinMum · 07/06/2014 23:35

Mistress of Arts and Mistress of Philosophy degrees. Bring it on!

Scarletohello · 07/06/2014 23:27

Am currently watching a TV program featuring Duran Duran. They are all beautifully made up and wearing flamboyant, colourful clothes. Imagine if that was normal for men to ( have to ) look like that all the time?

kim147 · 07/06/2014 23:20

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Scarletohello · 07/06/2014 23:19

'Testerical',brilliant! That really should be a word...

joanofarchitrave · 07/06/2014 23:14

Kim147 what an excellent piece. That's a brilliant documentary in a tiny package.

OublietteBravo · 07/06/2014 23:06

Being told they only got the job because they were a 'boy' and therefore positive discrimination must be the reason (because otherwise no one would ever consider employing a man in such a female-dominated industry).

Female colleagues making statements like 'of course it isn't really worth educating boys - they just play at having a job until they have children'

The assumption that they cannot be the main breadwinner because they are male - it must be their wife that earns the money (and if this isn't the case, then their wife isn't performing their womanly duty)

kim147 · 07/06/2014 23:05

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