What sexist behaviour would be the most shocking if reversed?

Husband and wife having an argument. Woman storming off to the pub leaving the man to console children, cook dinner put them to bed etc.

Great thread. I am only on page four.

It's shocking really.

Want to read it aloud to dd and all young girls so they do not grow up thinking it is the norm.

Oh thought of one: saying "here he goes again burning his pants" when a man mention anything about gender inequality.

Like this?

Oh look, yet again, instead of listening, truly listening, to what women face and trying to understand, a man is jumping in with an immediate "yesbutwhataboutthemen". Sigh.

Hmmmm.

I think someone might have totally missed the whole point of the thread.

Ah well.

Men being excluded from clubs and societies where networks are created, business is done and major governmental decisions are made, because, well, they just wouldn't want to join them, would they?

Men being thought of as minority group, despite making up over half the population.

And why do men live a precarious life when children come along?

Btw parents don't have rights. Children do. Maybe that'swhy you think men lead a precarious life. Just a thought.

"Women being told with loud derision (usually in front of others) that their bodies are ugly and ridiculous." YThats not a reverse situation. You think this doesn't happen at the moment? Just look at any mainstream media and magazines. Talk about having a male gaze.

And you are right. Can you imagine a world where women were excluded from groups because they intimidate men and make them feel uncomfortable? Seems ridiculous. Yet we have the opposite and that seems to be acceptable. One sex making the other sex fell uncomfortable. And not only that it appears that any intimidation felt is to be minimised down to 'uncomfortable' and these feelings are in fact the fault of the sex who feels uncomfortable and intimidated. How screwed up is that?

If you want equality perhaps look at why women feel intimidated by men. Why do men feel it necessary to assert their 'authority' on a group of women?

Sigh.

I'd say welcome to FWR, but it would be insincere.

FYI, feminists disagree with adverts and TV programmes showing men as incompetent at housework and caring duties. Why wouldn't we?

Guess who's the newbie? Try this reversal scenario instead...

"Percentage of women on screen who hold a family or emotional situation together, with calm and experience = less than zero, in real life = around 50% . Ditto for men perceived as incapable, irresponsible idiots."

Lots of fair points being made, plus some dreadful oversimplifications. Here's the view from the other side:

Percentage of men on screen who hold a family or emotional situation together, with calm and experience = less than zero, in real life = around 50% *. Ditto for women perceived as incapable, irresponsible idiots.

Women being told with loud derision (usually in front of others) that their bodies are ugly and ridiculous. Men laughing when a female suffers an "intimate injury". In fact, any public derision that qualifies as DA is fine (unless my DV training was very, very wrong).
Females being excluded from: clubs, gyms, swimming pools, yoga classes, rambling groups, book clubs, charity events, etc.......... because they "make the men feel uncomfortable" by their very presence. Presumably because all women are likely to be sexual deviants.
Men going to work wearing totally inappropriate clothes and dangerously impractical shoes (of course, you may not suggest that you find this an issue). Women being forbidden from wearing whatever they wish, on pain of ridicule or formal compaint. Amount of men who constanly judge other guys on their looks and wardrobe = 95% Amount of men who bizarrely blame women for judging them on their looks 99%

A man commits a crime to support his family and is shown moral and judicial leniency.

Yes, i am a guy and genuinely want equality for all. However, my time as a SAHD and working for SureStart has really opened my eyes to the immense power and control a woman has, esp mothers. There are many things that truly disadvantage females in this world, however, us guys live a precarious life (esp when children come along) and have our own issues and battles to fight (parental rights or healthcare anyone??). Got to get back to cooking tea, not sure if this makes as much sense as i hoped. It's not meant to be confrontational, just trying to restore some balance. The truth to most arguments usually lies somewhere in the middle.

*my 'stats' btw

"Rent Boy In Training" T-shirts are available in mainstream stores. A number of men protest about this, and are vilified as prudes for doing so.

Dr Dre releases an album which is really good. However, the press veer between speculating on his sexuality and deciding he's 'a munter', purely because he doesn't sing about sex all the time. Rhianna records an single called "Beat That Bastard" and nobody bats an eyelid; in fact it makes the top 10 and is regularly played on mainstream radio.

A board meeting takes place. A single man sits in it as the deputy head of Legal/ Finance/ Sales; he is casually told to take the minutes 'as he must be the admin here'. The women in the meeting see nothing unusual about this.

I think so too, Callani.

When the percentage of men on screen in both speaking roles and in crowd scenes is 17%

Honestly, I think what would shock men the most would be suddenly being considered lesser in all walks of life - particularly in business.

A case of "That's a great point Ben, why don't we wait for one of the women to say it".

You can point out advertising, cat calling etc and any rational man has to acknowledge it as a problem, but they just seem completely oblivious to how much you can be ignored as a person just for lacking a penis.

Oh... if people asked a father if he was 'ungrateful' after medical care made him well enough to father because he wanted to keep his job? Asking him 'how his wife coped' emotionally with him earning more in case it 'insulted' her?
People laughing because a woman did housework and calling it 'unnatural'?
Suggesting the marriage was unhappy and weird because of this.

A man follows his wife, goes through her phone, becomes enraged and abusive = unhinged.
A woman does the same = romantic.

That's not apologist, it's actually really unhelpful for women's mental health etc' is my point - we're meant to be so stalky and needy or we don't 'love enough'. And of course then men can laugh at us.

Sticker books and flags would be available everywhere. Pubs would be decked out in patriotic colours and buying in new screens and extra Chardonnay. Bosses would be expecting high absenteeism. TV schedules would be rearranged completely.

For the Netball World Cup.

Men would be constantly worried about whether they were 'beach ready', 'photo ready', 'bikini ready' and would be willing to put themselves through various painful and expensive procedures to ensure they were ( just seen a Wilkinsons Sword advert that has inspired this post/ really pissed me off)

Men would be much poorer as they are paying the majority of the childcare costs so they could return to work.

Websites devoted to cataloging many photos from media showing "men, alone, smiling and eating salad"

Make over programmes would be predominantly about men and every single Grand Design would have been attributed to the female partner, with the occasional gutsy man having input on more than the fixtures and fittings.

Any artistic work made by and about men would be deemed a minority interest, masculinist work.

Generations men would spend a large portion of their waking lives fretting that they did not look good. They would spend hours figuring out what they were allowed to eat, spend money and time looking at pictures of photoshopped men wearing expensive clothes and expensive and toxic makeup in order to ascertain what would be an appropriate "look". This would be taken as evidence that they were vacuous, while failure to participate.would be looked on with a degree of pity, as evidence of a crisis of confidence or low self-esteem.

"Bitching" would relate to sexual promiscuity, sex with or in the presence of strangers. "Dogging" would refer to men who criticised other men. There would be no correlative term for women who criticised women.

Men would continually be addressed in the street by random.strangers and charged with smiling or expected to engage with whatever inane conversation any passing women felt like. People would openly and unguarded stare at men; whereas it would be uncommon and thought of as directly challenging for.people to make and hold eye contact with unfamiliar women.

There would be a best selling book about a man calculating his calories, alcohol intake and cigarettes every day. Who was obsessed with the size of their thighs and who had to leave their professional job because their boss had slept with them and then dumped them for a slimmer man. Who felt rubbish about themselves because they were single and when they went to dinner parties were both challenged and ridiculed because they were still single.