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Ways of Dying in 1665

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TheScarlettPimpernel · 04/02/2012 11:36

So I'm just copying out a weekly Bill of Mortality from London, 1665 (don't ask!)

Look at some of the ways of dying - anyone care to hazard a guess at what some of them might be?!

Plague - 7165 (IN A WEEK!!!)
Childbed - 42 Sad - just goes to show, it's all very well bemoaning medicalised childbirth/interventions/CSs but look at the alternative
Grief - 3 (Not bloody surprising - wonder what the actual medical cause was?)
Griping in the Guts - 51!
Rising of the Lights - 11 (WTF was that then? In offal, are the lights the lungs, right?)
Kingsevil - 2 (Don't ask me how I know this, but I believe this to be scrofula)
Wormes - 15 (OH EM GEE, you could die of worms )
Impostume - 11 (what?!)
Frighted - 3 (three people scared to death in a week Shock)
Winde - 3 (Oh yeah. FARTED TO DEATH)

I realise I am a bit morbid Hmm

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SaggyOldClothCatPuss · 07/02/2012 17:17

I've just pulled another piece of random information out of my overcrowded with crap brain...
I saw somewhere on tv, that the ancient Egyptians used crocodile dung as a contraceptive. And modern research shows that it actually contains hormones that could have actually made it effective!
Off to google...

moonbells · 07/02/2012 15:32

Yikes, I came down to the thread end to post and you're talking about steam-powered vibrators? Grin

Well just to put in my pennorth, I think Lethargy must mean hypothyroid, where someone has no energy as the thyroid packs up, followed by just about everything else.

(Going to read the rest of the thread later, when I'm not going to get funny looks for laughing)

ShirleyO · 07/02/2012 15:28

Halfway through thread and I am in LOVE.

Best. Thread. Ever.

ArielNonBio · 07/02/2012 15:19

Um...it wouldn't be very discreet would it? I imagine it chuffing and whistling away.

R2PeePoo · 07/02/2012 14:43

EEK, sorry HeartsTrumpDiamonds. I should have put a warning on.

Although they are 'art' and 'history' right Grin

One of my modules at university involved a lecture on that Greek pot and other similar pieces.

Funnily enough the lecture theatre was packed.

cazboldy · 07/02/2012 14:38

Saggy - well they sound happier endings Smile

garlicfrother · 07/02/2012 14:27

Thanks, R2, I've decided to rename my Rabbit "Oblisbos" in hopes it will seem less alarming with a historical theme Wink

Just for you, Tunip.

TunipTheVegemal · 07/02/2012 14:21

so.... somebody actually invented a steam-powered vibrator

HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 07/02/2012 14:15

Holy crap R2 I just opened those at WORK!

HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 07/02/2012 14:13
R2PeePoo · 07/02/2012 14:10

Julia

17th Century
Throughout history
Ancient Greece

Carrots look a bit unsophisticated after that lot

SaggyOldClothCatPuss · 07/02/2012 13:49

Caz, I've done a bit of searching, there are lots of different theories about what happened to her. One is that she ended up marrying a stable hand for love and dying in poverty. Another that she was a lady in waiting to queen Elizabeth.

JuliaScurr · 07/02/2012 12:29

I'm impressed by the idea that tampon use has any influence on hymen breakage. I know they didn't have Ann Summers or batteries, but I'm sure they could improvise with root vegetables

cazboldy · 07/02/2012 11:05

www.elizabethfiles.com/mary-seymour-daughter-of-catherine-parr-and-thomas-seymour/5589/

just found this.

They think she died at about 2 years old Sad

cazboldy · 07/02/2012 11:01

and then Thomas seymour was beheaded so she was left an orphan Sad

cazboldy · 07/02/2012 10:58

yes she had a hard life, poor lady.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss · 07/02/2012 10:50

And also her daughter, Mary Seymour. Nobody knows what happened to her. Sad

SaggyOldClothCatPuss · 07/02/2012 10:39

I always felt sorry for Catherine Parr. She was forced to marry Henry when he was old and smelly and horrible, he wasn't her first aged husband, she was in love with Thomas Seymour, she was nearly arrested, for heresy, then when H8 died and she finally got to marry the man she loved, he was an unfaithful little shit, and she died in childbirth!

Thumbwitch · 07/02/2012 10:32

Hmm, must have got confused with other plots, can't find anything to do with Catherine of Aragon - must have made that one up Blush.

NanBullen · 07/02/2012 08:38

I've also just bought some Connie Willis books, they are fantastic! Am waiting for Doomsday to arrive. Grin

Thumbwitch · 07/02/2012 08:13

well yes, that too - but I reckon sheer practicality won out!

cazboldy · 07/02/2012 08:06

I think it was thought to be indecent for them to have to ride with their legs apart Grin

Thumbwitch · 07/02/2012 05:45

Good point megapixel! Forgot about that! BlushGrin
Although I don't think that's why the side-saddle was introduced (even though you may have been saying that tongue in cheek Wink); women weren't supposed to ride horses independently prior to the 14th C, they just rode behind their Man. The side-saddle for ladies to ride independently was developed after that, apparently. And I assume it was a sidesaddle initially because of the size and weight of their skirts (but it also meant they still couldn't control their own horse terribly well so had to be led along at a walk, no doubt by a man - couldn't have them riding off on their own, chattels that they were!)

As a devout Catholic Catherine would never have recognised her divorce, and she believed that her marriage to Henry was lawful in the eyes of the church; so it's not surprising that she held on to that belief. Wasn't there some Catholic plot after the dissolution of the monasteries to liberate Queen Catherine and do away with Henry? Or have I just imagined that?

megapixels · 06/02/2012 23:15

Thumb maybe that's why women rode side-saddle?

I quite like Catherine of Aragon for her defiance in not recognising H8's marriage to AB, even after she was seperated from Mary and under house arrest. Esp her last letter to him, addressing him as her husband and signing off as Catherine, Queen of England Grin. Must have taken some guts in that time.

TheScarlettPimpernel · 06/02/2012 22:31

Oh Good Lord, we've come round to Agatha Christie Grin Grin

Radio 4 broadcast a dramatisation of Endless Night last week. It's not really a nice jolly murder mystery, more a fucking creepy psychological thriller. I read it at about 8 or 9 and arrived at school the next morning all creeped out and having had nightmares: the teacher was horrified Grin

This has been the best thread ever

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