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Ways of Dying in 1665

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TheScarlettPimpernel · 04/02/2012 11:36

So I'm just copying out a weekly Bill of Mortality from London, 1665 (don't ask!)

Look at some of the ways of dying - anyone care to hazard a guess at what some of them might be?!

Plague - 7165 (IN A WEEK!!!)
Childbed - 42 Sad - just goes to show, it's all very well bemoaning medicalised childbirth/interventions/CSs but look at the alternative
Grief - 3 (Not bloody surprising - wonder what the actual medical cause was?)
Griping in the Guts - 51!
Rising of the Lights - 11 (WTF was that then? In offal, are the lights the lungs, right?)
Kingsevil - 2 (Don't ask me how I know this, but I believe this to be scrofula)
Wormes - 15 (OH EM GEE, you could die of worms )
Impostume - 11 (what?!)
Frighted - 3 (three people scared to death in a week Shock)
Winde - 3 (Oh yeah. FARTED TO DEATH)

I realise I am a bit morbid Hmm

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BaronessBomburst · 11/02/2012 00:37

Barnaby I read a biography of Rasputin (by his daughter, or granddaughter, I think) when I was seven and my teacher actually contacted my parents about it as he was worried about it's suitability. They'd long since given up on vetting my reading material. Cue Last Tango in Paris at twelve......

Tunip I'm very interested about your MIL and the toothbrush. I missed that thread. I'll be phoning my grandma in the morning to ask her what she did!

ScatterChasse · 10/02/2012 23:33

The Broadmoor one on the Kindle's good, I've just finished that. Some bits were quite sad though, especially reading about the women who had babies whilst there.

And, I found out today (scientific not historical, but it shocked me!) that a kiwi's egg is about 40% the size of its body. All I could think was ouch.

BarnabyMirage · 10/02/2012 21:42

That book reminds me of reading I Claudius and Claudius the God when I was at Primary School.Goodness knows what the teachers thought,it is highly unsuitable for small girls I suppose-but enthralling.

I've just been looking at the history section in Kindle books and have ordered a selection of free ones,including 'A Dictionary of Vulgar Slang' written during Georgian times,a book about people sent to penal colonies,a book on crime and punishment in Victorian Edinburgh,letters of a prarie homesteader, a black history,and verbal history of the Apache people.Enough to be going on with for now.Grin

R2PeePoo · 10/02/2012 21:15

Just noticed I put mental hospital rather than state hospital in the book link above.

My DH is willing to listen to me, but not for too long, but other than that I haven't met anyone else who is interested in this stuff.

Don't know why, its a valid and fascinating field of study.

One of the first such books I read was Suetonius' Twelve Caesars when I was about 13. I gobbled it up and kept it in my school bag, it was the first inkling I had that history wasn't all clean and glorious Grin

BarnabyMirage · 10/02/2012 20:49

Oh,I liked 'The Floating Brothel' too R2

I like it here,none of my friend in RL reads,or if they do it is chick lit.I certainly couldn't have any conversations like these with them,they'd get a fixed grin and be backing away from me.If I recommended any of these books they'd be running away from me.

R2PeePoo · 10/02/2012 20:19

Grin at people actually reading my recommendations. That never happens in real life. I usually get a stiff polite smile and then they edge away a bit......

Can I recommend a few more:

The Pox
Put what where??
Suitcases from a mental hospital attic. Incredibly touching and cheaper than Presumed Curable (which is superb but ££££)
Montaillou - hard going but fascinating
Tuskagee Syphilis experiment
Floating Brothel. Female convicts and Australia. Loved this one, very readable

BarnabyMirage · 10/02/2012 17:44

[Basks in the warm glow of MN history geeky luff]

Is anyone here bidding on 'Presumed Curable' on ebay? Only I don't want to bid against anyone on this thread.

MoreBeta Envy of your bargain.

Thumbwitch · 10/02/2012 10:21

I have ordered it (not new! Shock)
Sadly Amazon have stopped free delivery to Australia for £25 (must have been a Christmas thing) so I'm getting that and a few others delivered to my Dad's instead and will pick them up when I get there. :)

ArielNonBio · 10/02/2012 09:59

That book looks brilliant. Look at the price new!

Thumbwitch · 10/02/2012 09:38
Envy
MoreBeta · 10/02/2012 09:31

Was just browsing in a local charity shop yesterday and came across this little gem for just £2.50 in hardback.

Plague Pox and Pestilence: Disease in History

Bargain!

Thumbwitch · 10/02/2012 09:30

Well done BarnabyMirage!

TunipTheVegemal · 10/02/2012 09:28

great! make sure you pause between biscuits to post the juiciest bits on here.

Pudden · 10/02/2012 09:27

I ordered that book "the history of womens bodies" from our local library on Tuesday and it is in now. I am off now to get it and a packet of choc hob nobs and that is my afternoon

TheScarlettPimpernel · 10/02/2012 08:07

Ooo Barnaby you're a geenyus, thanks!

I feel WAY too much pride that there's a few of my recommends on there Grin

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SinicalSanta · 09/02/2012 23:11

oh that's great BarnabyMirage thanks!

RueDeWakening · 09/02/2012 22:22

BarnabyMirage I luffs you. Truly. :o

BarnabyMirage · 09/02/2012 21:16

Hearts A list [I wanted one too]
Faber's Reportage
Bechamo or Patsteur
The Baroque Cycle
Books of CJ Sansom
Montacute House
Nora Lofts
The Emperor of all Maladies
Extrodinary Hunter-father of modern surgery
The Giant,O'Brien-Hilary Mantel
1066 and all that
Harris's book of Covent Garden Ladies
The Painted Veil
A parcel of patterns
Medieval death
Children of winter
The diary of Samuel Pepys
The Year of Wonders
Doomsday Book
The years of rice and salt
Katharine-Anya Seton
Journal of the plague year-Defoe
A history of women's bodies
Birth,a history
Midwives tale,Martha Ballard
Presumed Curable
Women at work
Not only the dangerous trades
Why didn't they tell the horse?

R2PeePoo · 09/02/2012 13:35

I actually feel a bit sick now at the thought of putting that in my mouth.

How do they clean the bristles?

I don't want to put something that tastes of badger arse in my mouth.

Oh my God, on this one the review says that the bristles came out in their mouth.....

TunipTheVegemal · 09/02/2012 13:26

oh I do like historical jokes. My grandma used to tell one about a curate visiting a quarry which she had got in big trouble for telling as a teenager because it was disrespectful of the Church.

Thumbwitch · 09/02/2012 13:11

more entertainment value along the Bald Badger lines. Apparently it varies between the explanation I gave before, people never having heard of it, the idea being that the white stripe between the black ones making a badger look bald, and the "bald" being a shortened version of piebald (which means white and (usually) black in colour)

TunipTheVegemal · 09/02/2012 12:57

' Animal bristle was not an ideal material as it retains bacteria and does not dry well, and the bristles often fell out.' (wiki)

First nylon toothbrush, 1938.

It all falls into place.

TunipTheVegemal · 09/02/2012 12:43

I'd never heard 'bald as a badger' - my dh always says 'rough as a badger's arse'!
But perhaps that's just how he imagines a badger's arse, I don't know if he has ever seen one.

(he has seen badgers, but I mean I don't know if he actually got a look at their arses.)

(or felt their arses, which is what you would have to do to know if it was rough or not.)

Thumbwitch · 09/02/2012 12:37

I thought badgers had quite soft hair - where are the bristles then? Shaving brushes were/are made from badger hair and it's very soft and long. Apparently, and I don't know how true this is, the saying "bald as a badger" is a shortening of "bald as a badger's arse", where they used to take the hairs to make the brushes.
:)

Toothbrushes - that's interesting, how recent the dental hygiene thing is.