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Why Uni / no jobs ?

39 replies

ZiggleZaggle · 26/08/2026 20:06

If the job situation for graduates is as dire as it is then why are some many teens and their parents so desperate for them to go ? Why saddle themselves with shit load of debt if most of them are only going to get shit paid jobs anyway !

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Tunaboona · 27/08/2026 17:55

Badbadbunny · 27/08/2026 16:10

To an extent, but not so much if your graduate job isn't in the same city as your university. Say, go to Uni in Lancaster, and your graduate job is in Norwich, you're basically back to "on line" friendships with your old Uni cohort unless some of them have done the same journey to find work.

Yes it's demoralising really. Maybe in ten years we will all be mining coal for our AI overlord so we can have a chat while we do that?

Badbadbunny · 27/08/2026 16:10

Tunaboona · 27/08/2026 15:41

At least you might have some solid friendship groups from uni by then though so not entirely reliant on the work party scene (lack of).

To an extent, but not so much if your graduate job isn't in the same city as your university. Say, go to Uni in Lancaster, and your graduate job is in Norwich, you're basically back to "on line" friendships with your old Uni cohort unless some of them have done the same journey to find work.

Tunaboona · 27/08/2026 15:41

Badbadbunny · 27/08/2026 12:06

The same applies to some poor sods on graduate schemes too, i.e. sat in their tiny flat during online meetings with much older people they've never met and have nothing in common with, usually not having a clue what's being discussed. It's definitely not just an "apprentice" thing.

At least you might have some solid friendship groups from uni by then though so not entirely reliant on the work party scene (lack of).

Badbadbunny · 27/08/2026 12:06

Tunaboona · 27/08/2026 12:01

Uni is also quite fun! It's also very reasonable when you compare it to adult learning where a one day course can cost you £2k.

Apprenticeships are being lawded but they are often very miserable for the 18 year olds doing them. My DH works with apprentices in his team and all they do is sit on teams calls in their one bed flat while working with teams of middle aged people who all have families. If they don't have a really good social support network outside of work it's not a nice experience.

The same applies to some poor sods on graduate schemes too, i.e. sat in their tiny flat during online meetings with much older people they've never met and have nothing in common with, usually not having a clue what's being discussed. It's definitely not just an "apprentice" thing.

Tunaboona · 27/08/2026 12:01

Uni is also quite fun! It's also very reasonable when you compare it to adult learning where a one day course can cost you £2k.

Apprenticeships are being lawded but they are often very miserable for the 18 year olds doing them. My DH works with apprentices in his team and all they do is sit on teams calls in their one bed flat while working with teams of middle aged people who all have families. If they don't have a really good social support network outside of work it's not a nice experience.

Owninterpreter · 27/08/2026 11:56

My son resolutely decided university was not for him. That it was a big debt and that he was ready for work and there were no graduate jobs. I supported this fully.

Anyway the reality has been that he hasnt found one good quality job. He actually has a portofolio of jobs. Some that pay well but he is already maximum they will pay and others are boring and low paid and he doesnt want to do those long term. People in his team have done them a long while and very few 'work there way up" and the middle layers dont pay much more anyway and the higher layers have degrees. There are opportunities in construction in particular for young people to make there way, but otherwise not having a degree doesnt really make the job market easier either.

He wants a chance at doing some work that does advertise that a degree is needed. He knows its a gamble. He might get the degree and still do those exact jobs he does now. Or he might get a chance to progress in those jobs more quickly, or even get a graduate job within his field within 5 years of his degree that he likes. He intends to keep the well paid jobs through his degree.

He thinks the learning will be interesting. He wants more academic knowledge and missed learning stuff that wasnt related to earning whilst he's been out of education.

He also felt that the debt, whilst real, was worth it. In that if he was stuck in a low paid job the payment remain low but at least he had 3 interesting years, if he gets a good job they pay off quickly. They are a bit of a bind for mid range earners as they payments are enough to notice but last 40 years, but he is realistic about that being the most likely outcome.

He also looked at emigrating and found lots of countries want graduates in thier points system.

MissyB1 · 27/08/2026 11:33

I get your point but as pps have pointed out
1: some degrees do lead directly to employment
2: Uni life is a stepping stone into adult independence
3: A chance to broaden horizons, an education in life.

Having said that my ds (about to start year 13) will apply for Uni and also degree apprenticeships.

ImReallyNotSure · 27/08/2026 11:28

Oh and broadening your horizons- meeting people from different walks of life.

ImReallyNotSure · 27/08/2026 11:27

People enjoy education and learning is possitive for some.

It is a gentle step into adulthood living.

Making friends and having new experiences, moving somewhere new.

Developing skills in self learning and focus.

What is the alternative start working from 18 and work for 50 odd years. Retirement probably won’t even exist for our kids so I figure putting off a bit of real life is not a bad thing!

boys3 · 27/08/2026 10:26

That “debt” repayment is wholly income contingent, if you don’t earn enough it eventually gets written off, irrespective of the sum still owed. Granted that is now after 40 years.

ZiggleZaggle · 27/08/2026 10:02

Peoplemakemedespair · 26/08/2026 20:12

A a lot of reasons, can you really not think of any? My dc1 is starting med school, dc2 wants to be a pilot. I’ve got no worries at all about them achieving their goals (and jobs). Both needed to go to uni. Dc3 is planning to leave school the second they finish their GCSEs and has no plans whatsoever to go into any sort of future education, though I will try and encourage some sort of apprenticeship. Like pp have already mentioned, moving out and the life experience of uni can mean more to some people than the degree

Yes worthwhile goals , I can see the sense in going to Uni to achieve those aims and you have to get the grades to study . But for a lot of degrees the jobs are not out there and it’s often a case of who you know not what you know anyway . Is it really worth getting into a load of debt when there are few graduate jobs out there . Surely that debt will be a millstone round their necks as it has to be repaid and will be taken into consideration if they want to rent/ buy a home / car later down the line ?

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Peoplemakemedespair · 26/08/2026 20:12

A a lot of reasons, can you really not think of any? My dc1 is starting med school, dc2 wants to be a pilot. I’ve got no worries at all about them achieving their goals (and jobs). Both needed to go to uni. Dc3 is planning to leave school the second they finish their GCSEs and has no plans whatsoever to go into any sort of future education, though I will try and encourage some sort of apprenticeship. Like pp have already mentioned, moving out and the life experience of uni can mean more to some people than the degree

Strang3r · 26/08/2026 20:07

Want to move out lol

Tunaboona · 26/08/2026 20:07

Uni is higher education. You've posted in further education.