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Can you take A-levels with 4s or 5s at GCSE?

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HarveyLouis · 12/07/2026 08:26

Is it possible,, or advisable, to take A-Level Geography or A-Level 3D design if you get a 4 or 5 in the relevant subject at GCSE? DD currently in year 10 and is looking at 6th form options. She is on course for 3s to 5s at GCSE and has an EHCP for dyslexia and ADHD. She may want to take a Business BTEC but not sure of other choices. Geography is her strongest GCSE subject but there don't seem to be any vocational options in Geography. We were suggesting Travel and Tourism to her as a possibility but her favourite 6th form doesn't offer it. She needs to apply to as many colleges as possible and her EHCP will be sent to them. I have no idea what happens at this stage really, do we pick a preference or does she wait until results day to make her final choice? To add, we don't think she is on course for uni, potentially an apprenticeship at 18. Getting Cs in A-levels would be an achievement for her.

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greywolfie · 12/07/2026 11:12

Or this one could be option?

www.windsor-forest.ac.uk/study/tourism/

Kepler22B · 12/07/2026 11:05

greywolfie · 12/07/2026 10:48

If you could share the general area where you live, then we could help you find a course?

I was going to say the same. Is there an agricultural college near you? It might talk about Land Based Courses.

A city and guilds qualification might be a good alternative. https://www.cityandguilds.com/qualifications-and-apprenticeships/land-based-services/environment-countryside-and-conservation/0076-countryside-and-environment#tab=information

All sorts of different paths, that might not be obvious as a school leaver.

Countryside and Environment

City & Guilds Countryside and Environment qualifications. Leading vocational education and training organisation.

https://www.cityandguilds.com/qualifications-and-apprenticeships/land-based-services/environment-countryside-and-conservation/0076-countryside-and-environment#tab=information

wonderstuff · 12/07/2026 11:05

Our local 6th form has entry criteria of 5 GCSE at 4+ for most of their A-levels (except sciences and languages I think). It’s doable and a C is still a pass. They have a rule that if you’re tracking at C or below AND you have less than 80% attendance they’ll take you off the course at the end of Y1.

They do offer lots and lots of support and are really big so have facilities to have additional support sessions for every subject plus a study skills support option. With an EHCP for dyslexia I’d expect a weekly support session in addition to teaching as a minimum.

greywolfie · 12/07/2026 11:04

A lot of students have quite a commute to a college that offers their best choice- and there's often help with transport costs.

HarveyLouis · 12/07/2026 11:04

We are near Virginia Water in Surrey.

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firstofallimadelight · 12/07/2026 11:02

My dd tried 3 a levels after getting 5’s/6’s in her GCSE’s. School advised against maths (which she got a 5 in but did let her try) She really struggled and got one D in psychology and two fails in her AS levels. She was given the option to resit the year on the two fails and continue the psychology. But she opted to do a NVQ Level 3 plus psychology a level. It suited her much better as more vocational. She did go on to do a degree. And is currently doing her masters.

HarveyLouis · 12/07/2026 11:02

Our nearest FE college says it has courses available but when you click the links the courses are often at a different campus that is linked to the nearest college. The FE college concentrates on health and beauty, childcare and construction.

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Guidanceplease20 · 12/07/2026 11:01

We all went to FE Colleges. They have a large range and we found the style of lecturing and teaching differed because we were effectively "starting again" at 16.

Owninterpreter · 12/07/2026 11:01

Are there any agricultural colleges or FE colleges nearish to you. Some agricultural ones have accommodation for further afield students. They offer a bigger range of vocational than a sixth form which are more A levels.

greywolfie · 12/07/2026 10:59

For the best range of courses you need to look at FE colleges rather than 6th forms.

HarveyLouis · 12/07/2026 10:58

Its like they have to add a token amount of "vocational " courses but only really concentrate on A-levels

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Ithinkhesamerdog · 12/07/2026 10:57

HarveyLouis · 12/07/2026 10:09

I wish there were more BTECs and modular courses in a wider range of subjects. She has been advised to study what she is passionate about but if that is the environment and nature etc then there are no options that we can find. I think she will have to settle for something she doesn't really want to do.

I have looked again at vocational options at the 3 colleges near us. One is a technical college and does things like bricklaying, carpentry and Business. The other 2 are sixth for colleges with mainly A-levels and a smaller selections of BTECs. Applied Science seems to be a continuation of the 3 sciences at GCSE with a practical focus but not related to the environment. I can't see T-levels or land management type courses.

I will have to steer her away from Geography A-Level I think.

This was what shocked me when we looked into our very big local sixth forms. The range of BTEC courses actually available was very limited - hairdressing /childcare /health and social care and the like. Nothing wrong with these but there wasn't a diverse range

greywolfie · 12/07/2026 10:48

If you could share the general area where you live, then we could help you find a course?

Guidanceplease20 · 12/07/2026 10:44

My house is packed with BTECers. C grade profiles, apart from me with A-C grade O levels. All did fabulously at College and follow a range of careers - Chartered Accountant, Software Developer and Estate Agent.

I recommend BTECs for that grade profile

IbizaToTheNorfolkBroads · 12/07/2026 10:43

HarveyLouis · 12/07/2026 09:44

She likes the physical aspect of Geography- rocks, coasts, rivers

I’m a Chartered Geologist, and share her interests!

I work in flood risk management for the Environment Agency. We have some virtual work experience on Springpod if she’s interested.

BTEC in forestry, land management, countryside management, digital mapping, built environment, conservation
or applied science (environmental modules) could all lead to geography based careers.

HarveyLouis · 12/07/2026 10:40

I am going to look at colleges further afield, if we can find a better course combination we will have to work out the travel later and hope they can meet the needs of the EHCP.

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HarveyLouis · 12/07/2026 10:18

We were wondering if 1 A-level alongside a BTEC would be the answer. But I don't think so as she would probably enjoy the Geography A-Level but not get a good grade at the end as exams are not her strong point.

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MagicThanks · 12/07/2026 10:12

At my school we say grade 6 minimum, but sixth forms will bend those rules to get bums on seats. Post 16 students are the highest value when it comes to pay per head.
That said, would it be best for your DD when she’s unlikely to get a decent A Level out of it?

HarveyLouis · 12/07/2026 10:09

I wish there were more BTECs and modular courses in a wider range of subjects. She has been advised to study what she is passionate about but if that is the environment and nature etc then there are no options that we can find. I think she will have to settle for something she doesn't really want to do.

I have looked again at vocational options at the 3 colleges near us. One is a technical college and does things like bricklaying, carpentry and Business. The other 2 are sixth for colleges with mainly A-levels and a smaller selections of BTECs. Applied Science seems to be a continuation of the 3 sciences at GCSE with a practical focus but not related to the environment. I can't see T-levels or land management type courses.

I will have to steer her away from Geography A-Level I think.

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Sunnyweatherfriend · 12/07/2026 10:00

A level Geography teacher here. I wouldn’t advise it. We ask for at least a 6 in Geography and 5s in English language and maths. It is a massive subject, with a huge reliance on good quality literacy and numeracy skills. There is so much content for the exams, then coursework in top. She would be better off with BTECs that would allow her to access higher UCAS points.

Itsnotalwaysasyouthink · 12/07/2026 09:48

My child is dyslexic too. We discounted A levels as the weighty exams at the end of two years just didn’t suit the way they learn. They went to the local college and have just finished a BTEC in construction and built environment, equivalent to three ALevels. At school they enjoyed DT and science.
They also completed an Extended project (Welsh Bacc.), which has given them some good, transferrable skills.
They excelled in this environment and the way the BTEC is taught and examined really suited them. Would your daughter consider looking at other BTECs-construction doesn’t mean just bricklayer, electrician etc. Many in my child’s course are looking for (or have) apprenticeships in project management, design, building management, surveying.
or, as she enjoys geography, what about agriculture? Land management, conservation, etc

MurielTheTerrible · 12/07/2026 09:44

DD got mostly 5s. She really struggled with focus and motivation during her GCSEs so I was very reluctant for her to do A levels. She was determined to though so did and it was a terrible decision - she found the independent study impossible, her mental health nosedived and she ended up very unhappy, very stressed and with 3 pretty rubbish A levels. If there's anything else your DD can do, I'd keep looking for it, I wish DD hadn't bothered, it's taken 2 years for her to (mostly) get over it.

HarveyLouis · 12/07/2026 09:44

She likes the physical aspect of Geography- rocks, coasts, rivers

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Ithinkhesamerdog · 12/07/2026 09:40

Thelondonone · 12/07/2026 09:05

Im a teacher, I wouldn’t recommend it, not because I think she’ll get low grades but because to get the grades below she will have to slog her guts out and it makes for a miserable two years.
Standard Subjects
Most A-Level subjects (e.g., History, Biology, Geography, English) generally expect the following progression:
Grade 8/9 → Grade A or A*
Grade 7 → Grade B
Grade 6 → Grade C
Grade 5 → Grade D
Grade 4 → Grade E
Maths and Physics
Maths and Physics are harder at A-Level. The jump in difficulty means your grades usually drop by about two steps compared to GCSE:
Grade 8/9 → Grade B or C
Grade 7 → Grade C or D
Grade 6 → Grade D or E 1, 2, 3]

Presumably some of the Maths and Physics a level lot still get As, It's just less of a "guaranteed" progression?

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