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Which fourth A-level is better alongside Physics, Maths and Further Maths? Or are chemistry/economics equally good choices?

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Baddogs · 14/06/2026 22:11

DS is trying to decide on his 4th a level.
He knows he wants to do Physics, Maths and Further Maths, but can't decide whether to do economics or chemistry as the 4th.
He knows he wants to do physics at University and is predicted very high grades so has his eye on some very competitive university courses but I am not sure whether there's a "better".option to take for the 4th a level or whether both are equally good options?

(I studied law so feel a bit clueless guiding him in science choices!)

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Baddogs · 15/06/2026 11:16

TallagallaPenguin · 15/06/2026 11:01

I think it is fine to have not done the GCSE - here’s info from Farnborough Sixth form college, one of the large well rated colleges in our area:

Q: How much overlap is there between the GCSE and the A level and is it a problem if I've not done the GCSE?
A: They overlap a lot, and if you've done a Computer Science GCSE (particularly with the OCR exam board), you'll find the first half term quite familiar. However, a good number of our students take the A level without a GCSE and they perform well. The most important things are that you have good logical thinking, some numeracy skills, an interest in the subject (see course content above) and tenacity. You can't give up each time your code gives an error.

Amazing! Thank you! This is really helpful. This might be a good option and I might suggest he does some learning at home now to help build up knowledge

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Baddogs · 15/06/2026 11:15

Soverymuchfruit · 15/06/2026 11:04

Check with the school / college, but if he's as bright and good at maths as you say and can read up a bit over the summer, I would think he could do just fine without the GCSE.

I would leave the economics as the thing to think about after school (and possibly / probably drop). It's not studied technically in school, which may frustrate him, and means that university studies have to start again anyway. But the interesting relevant bits are easy to follow informally via pop econ books and blogs: start with Tim Harford, and also look at https://www.core-econ.org/ if he really wants to spend time with it in his evenings. Actually, even if he were to completely change his mind and want to do economics at university, computer programming would be a better A level preparation than economics A level.

Chemistry: nothing against it but it sounds like it doesn't excite him and it wouldn't develop useful skills or a wider view of the world in the same way as computer science or economics would.

Fab thank you this is very helpful. He happily reads around subjects at home so you are right,.the key to us is to find the things best done in school

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Soverymuchfruit · 15/06/2026 11:04

Baddogs · 15/06/2026 10:35

They do but I don't know if he can do it if he hasn't done it at GCSE?. We're also discussing whether to learn that outside of school (just because there's so many a levels he would like to do)

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Check with the school / college, but if he's as bright and good at maths as you say and can read up a bit over the summer, I would think he could do just fine without the GCSE.

I would leave the economics as the thing to think about after school (and possibly / probably drop). It's not studied technically in school, which may frustrate him, and means that university studies have to start again anyway. But the interesting relevant bits are easy to follow informally via pop econ books and blogs: start with Tim Harford, and also look at https://www.core-econ.org/ if he really wants to spend time with it in his evenings. Actually, even if he were to completely change his mind and want to do economics at university, computer programming would be a better A level preparation than economics A level.

Chemistry: nothing against it but it sounds like it doesn't excite him and it wouldn't develop useful skills or a wider view of the world in the same way as computer science or economics would.

CORE - Economics for a changing world

Accessible, relevant, real-world economics teaching, available and free to everyone.

https://www.core-econ.org

TallagallaPenguin · 15/06/2026 11:01

Baddogs · 15/06/2026 10:35

They do but I don't know if he can do it if he hasn't done it at GCSE?. We're also discussing whether to learn that outside of school (just because there's so many a levels he would like to do)

Edited

I think it is fine to have not done the GCSE - here’s info from Farnborough Sixth form college, one of the large well rated colleges in our area:

Q: How much overlap is there between the GCSE and the A level and is it a problem if I've not done the GCSE?
A: They overlap a lot, and if you've done a Computer Science GCSE (particularly with the OCR exam board), you'll find the first half term quite familiar. However, a good number of our students take the A level without a GCSE and they perform well. The most important things are that you have good logical thinking, some numeracy skills, an interest in the subject (see course content above) and tenacity. You can't give up each time your code gives an error.

TallagallaPenguin · 15/06/2026 10:57

TheVeryAngryBanana · 15/06/2026 08:03

Geology would help open up geophysics as a career, which can include (exo)planets, climate physics and seismology

I would always recommend geology / geophysics, it’s a wonderful cross disciple science as well, but sadly very few places do geology / geophysics a levels. A few do, but even the enormous 2000+ student sixth form colleges we looked at didn’t have any geo a levels. Most of the geologists on my undergrad were taking it up for the first time.

TallagallaPenguin · 15/06/2026 10:55

Baddogs · 15/06/2026 09:07

That's true. That would have been a factor when I was choosing but we are in an area where they move to very big colleges for 6th form. There are a couple of very high performing colleges but all very big so no guarantee which teacher you will get

Same for us. If he’s y10 there should be time for a few open day visits - they often run them around now, and again in the autumn and my sons both found it v helpful going to as many as possible (eg visiting same college a couple of times) to talk with the subject teachers and find out a lot more about the courses. They often run taster days too.

FWIW I knew a few very hardcore physicists at Cambridge who ended up branching out into more multidisciplinary physics/chemistry/applied maths linked areas, at PhD level anyway. At school the subjects are so restricted compared to at uni, of course. I found that quite a lot of chemistry at uni turned into maths, so he may start liking it more the more he does!

Baddogs · 15/06/2026 10:35

Soverymuchfruit · 15/06/2026 09:54

Does his school offer proper computer programming as an A level (NOT IT)? He's likely to need to code in a scientific career. Lots of people pick it up via following examples on stack exchange etc, but having a bit of a grounding in how things properly work can be valuable, and might set him up to be skilled in something very useful throughout his studies. It's as well regarded as a science A level.

They do but I don't know if he can do it if he hasn't done it at GCSE?. We're also discussing whether to learn that outside of school (just because there's so many a levels he would like to do)

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Soverymuchfruit · 15/06/2026 09:54

Does his school offer proper computer programming as an A level (NOT IT)? He's likely to need to code in a scientific career. Lots of people pick it up via following examples on stack exchange etc, but having a bit of a grounding in how things properly work can be valuable, and might set him up to be skilled in something very useful throughout his studies. It's as well regarded as a science A level.

drspouse · 15/06/2026 09:14

I did Maths, FM, Physics and Chemistry with the aim of either Medicine or Physics at uni.
By the end of sixth form I no longer wanted to do Physics and in fact I ended up studying Biology (Scottish uni though I think I could have done Biochemistry in England without Biology A level) and Chemistry was compulsory in the equivalent of English first year. I would bear in mind that he may change his mind about his degree and that Chemistry will help with Physics.
However I really didn't like it at A level and I was annoyed to have to do it at uni! I really enjoyed Biochemistry - the chemistry was just different - and I enjoyed physical chemistry because I still loved physics even though it wasn't my uni subject.

WheretheFishesareFrightening · 15/06/2026 09:09

For those saying why do 4, it was a few years ago when I did my A Levels, but doing 3 was still typical - I did 5 AS Levels and 4 A Levels + General Studies. And one of those was a GCSE and A Level in a new language in two years.

I managed learning to drive, a part time job and an incredible social life too.

I thrive when I am so busy that every minute has to be accounted for (and now work in a high pressure job because I do not perform at all where there is plenty of time and no deadlines), so for some students filling up with more A Levels is the right answer (I got 4As and a B in the day before AStars).

Baddogs · 15/06/2026 09:07

MyKindHiker · 15/06/2026 09:04

Both are good so he should do whichever he enjoys most.

In my role I look at a lot of CVs and on balance I’d have a slight bias towards economics as it shows an interest / engagement with the human world (terrible choice of words - hope you understand my meaning). It’s a good compliment to maths but also has elements of history and politics overlap.

Another factor that could help him choose is which A level teacher he’ll like more.

That's true. That would have been a factor when I was choosing but we are in an area where they move to very big colleges for 6th form. There are a couple of very high performing colleges but all very big so no guarantee which teacher you will get

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Muchtoomuchtodo · 15/06/2026 09:04

XelaM · 15/06/2026 07:02

I know someone at Oxford studying MFL who did photography as a 4th A-level and when they missed their required grade in one of their main 3 subjects, that A* in photography is what got them over the line.

But would they have missed their grade requirements if they had focused on 3 A levels? We’ll never know but having 25% less work surely would have made a difference!

ds has studied maths, further maths physics and Welsh bacc. Welsh bacc was all done by February half term in year 13 so no distraction at all from A level revision. That seems a good compromise.

MyKindHiker · 15/06/2026 09:04

Both are good so he should do whichever he enjoys most.

In my role I look at a lot of CVs and on balance I’d have a slight bias towards economics as it shows an interest / engagement with the human world (terrible choice of words - hope you understand my meaning). It’s a good compliment to maths but also has elements of history and politics overlap.

Another factor that could help him choose is which A level teacher he’ll like more.

ChillWith · 15/06/2026 09:04

If he has to do four he guided by what we're his top GCSEs and which was his favourite subject. He'll never go wrong.

PerpetualOptimist · 15/06/2026 08:58

ErrolTheDragon · 15/06/2026 08:44

I’d be interested to know what @PerpetualOptimistwas thinking of too, but for sure there is a lot of exciting interdisciplinary work at the moment in the area of new materials (eg ‘high temperature’ superconductors, battery technology…) and also in the very broad area of biophysics and ‘structural biology’. That might sound like you’d want to do biology but I think a sound footing in chemistry would be more relevant.

I had in mind the areas you flagged @ErrolTheDragon and better articulated than I would have done!

Baddogs · 15/06/2026 08:57

ErrolTheDragon · 15/06/2026 08:44

I’d be interested to know what @PerpetualOptimistwas thinking of too, but for sure there is a lot of exciting interdisciplinary work at the moment in the area of new materials (eg ‘high temperature’ superconductors, battery technology…) and also in the very broad area of biophysics and ‘structural biology’. That might sound like you’d want to do biology but I think a sound footing in chemistry would be more relevant.

Thanks! That's very interesting

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Baddogs · 15/06/2026 08:56

TheWardrobeIsThere · 15/06/2026 08:50

@Baddogs it was mainly to address the better to get 3 A stars than 4 As type conversation from others not really aimed at your son. It does all depend on the child. As your son is only in year 10 then he has time to look into the A level subjects he might take. There are a lot of students who posted on Youtube about chemistry and other subjects at A level, might be worth looking into.

Mine found 4 A levels relatively easy as did their friends, all of whom went onto RG or other high ranking unis. Both mine needed maths/fm for their subjects at uni and they are very maths brained.

Understood and thank you. That's a good tip about you tube videos ! I want it to be his choice but I also want to make sure I can give some informed guidance

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Luckyforsome23 · 15/06/2026 08:51

I did those plus economics. In my field (finance) the economics is so useful.

somethingischasingme · 15/06/2026 08:51

chemistry

TheWardrobeIsThere · 15/06/2026 08:50

@Baddogs it was mainly to address the better to get 3 A stars than 4 As type conversation from others not really aimed at your son. It does all depend on the child. As your son is only in year 10 then he has time to look into the A level subjects he might take. There are a lot of students who posted on Youtube about chemistry and other subjects at A level, might be worth looking into.

Mine found 4 A levels relatively easy as did their friends, all of whom went onto RG or other high ranking unis. Both mine needed maths/fm for their subjects at uni and they are very maths brained.

ErrolTheDragon · 15/06/2026 08:49

Re the workload of 4 A levels - if they’re aiming for a top STEM uni then they’ll need to be developing their time management and study skills anyway. It really doesn’t sound like it will be a problem for your DS, OP.

ErrolTheDragon · 15/06/2026 08:44

Baddogs · 15/06/2026 07:39

Can you tell me more about your last sentence?
I'm definitely not clued up about science stuff!

(I agree though that I am confident he can manage the workload and still have a life outside of schoolwork)

I’d be interested to know what @PerpetualOptimistwas thinking of too, but for sure there is a lot of exciting interdisciplinary work at the moment in the area of new materials (eg ‘high temperature’ superconductors, battery technology…) and also in the very broad area of biophysics and ‘structural biology’. That might sound like you’d want to do biology but I think a sound footing in chemistry would be more relevant.

Baddogs · 15/06/2026 08:34

TheWardrobeIsThere · 15/06/2026 07:57

Chemistry is considered hard even for those who got high 9s at GCSE. Ds1 did maths, fm, physics and computer science but did computer science at GCSE and went on to do it at uni. Ds2 did maths, fm, computer science and economics and is now at uni doing econ. They both got mostly 9s at GCSE. This foundational knowledge makes the A level subjects easier than someone coming in on a 6 which was the minimum for both maths and science at their sixth form.

Computer science is quite boring at both GCSE and A level according to both my children but it is methodical and maths based and they enjoyed that aspect. Econ is an essay subject and sometimes marking is open to interpretation, one teacher says it is this mark, another teacher says it is this. Ds found this subjective marking frustrating being maths black and white person.

Fm is a sort of extension of maths which is why it is often a 4th A level. Some universities would not consider 3 A levels in which 2 are maths and fm to demonstrate breadth and because he is aiming for Oxford et al that needs to be considered.

As for workload, contact hours for Ds1 was 5 hours per subject and he still had 5 hours of free periods a week, plus an assembly, tutor time and an enrichment afternoon. Most work was completed in their free periods as he and his mates were all aiming for top 10 universities so came out of class and into the studying section. There is plenty of time for an organised and dedicated student to complete work, have hobbies and a part time job.

This is also about resilience and whether if a student finds themselves struggling they would reach out to the teacher, go back over work they found challenging to make sure they nailed it etc. Some children who have found school work easy struggle when they have to work at it.

I'm not worried whether he will manage 4, he's getting 9s now (year 10) and not feeling stretched to get them

It's really just having a bit more info to help as he weighs up what subject to pick as his fourth

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mylifeisexams · 15/06/2026 08:10

My DD will be taking Maths, Physics, computer science and French. But she wants to study CS at uni.

TheVeryAngryBanana · 15/06/2026 08:03

Geology would help open up geophysics as a career, which can include (exo)planets, climate physics and seismology