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Are remarks/review of marking just for the wealthy?

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runner2023 · 21/08/2025 19:19

I have 2 friends whose children have sat exams this year.

Parent A: Her DD got 4 A stars and an A last year for A level and had a place at Oxford. Parent A put in for a remark for the A grade and her DD then was awarded 5 A stars.
Today her DS got 2 x 6s in English, she requesting remarks and also for maths and physics because DS 'only' got an 8 and she would like 9s. This must be costing her a fortune to have 4 subjects remarked. He got 9999998877766. They are well off.

Parent B: DD got AAC and needed AAB for a place at the LSE (contextual as she goes to a low achieving school). She lost her firm and is going to City University instead. She was 3 marks off a B grade, but parent B can not afford a remark and said it the same cost as a week's shopping. Her DD is fine with going to her insurance. The family has 4 children. They are not on the breadline but money is tight.

It seems the wealthy are able to request remarks at the drop of a hat. This seems very unfair.

OP posts:
MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/08/2025 15:11

twistyizzy · 22/08/2025 15:08

No I never said it was bad, I said Ofsted don't like it. You have misinterpreted my comments

Ah, well, bugger Ofsted. Schools and children should do what is right for them and not worry about what some jobsworth from Ofsted thinks.

twistyizzy · 22/08/2025 15:08

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/08/2025 15:07

Weren't you the one suggesting that kids taking more than 9 GCSEs is a bad thing which is why Ofsted feel the need to investigate it?

No I never said it was bad, I said Ofsted don't like it. You have misinterpreted my comments

twistyizzy · 22/08/2025 15:07

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/08/2025 15:05

What a waste of time when they could be investigating real problems like why so many teachers are leaving.

They are the #1 reason why teachers are leaving! Them plus shocking behaviour of many kids in schools.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/08/2025 15:07

twistyizzy · 22/08/2025 15:06

Who said it was positive?
Take it up with the government

Weren't you the one suggesting that kids taking more than 9 GCSEs is a bad thing which is why Ofsted feel the need to investigate it?

twistyizzy · 22/08/2025 15:06

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/08/2025 15:04

Kids only taking 8 or 9 GCSEs because they don't have enough teachers is a completely different thing, and not a positive one!

Who said it was positive?
Take it up with the government

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/08/2025 15:05

twistyizzy · 22/08/2025 14:59

No idea and honestly I don't really care. Of course they have to investigate schools potentially gaming their position in league table. They investigate everything to do with impact on pupils

What a waste of time when they could be investigating real problems like why so many teachers are leaving.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/08/2025 15:04

twistyizzy · 22/08/2025 15:03

Yes that's 1 school.

The data clearly shows the majority do 8 or 9 GCSEs. Not sure how many more times I can cope with having to say it.

Some schools encourage 10 but majority don't

Why is it so hard to understand with teacher shortages, budgets slashed etc? There aren't the staff to teach 10 subjects! There are barely the teachers to teach 8 and many GCSE years are being taught by supply teachers or non-subject specialists

What happened 20+ years ago has zero bearing on what happens today in terms of number of GCSEs taken.

Edited

Kids only taking 8 or 9 GCSEs because they don't have enough teachers is a completely different thing, and not a positive one!

twistyizzy · 22/08/2025 15:03

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/08/2025 15:00

In my state school 10 was standard and everyone in the top set for maths had the opportunity to do statistics as an added extra. (I think we might have had classes after school once a week, or maybe at lunchtime). I also did German outside of school and took it in year 10.

So in my school it was 11 GCSEs for those who were good at maths and took statistics, 10 for everyone else. The only people who took fewer than 10 were the ones who were really struggling academically.

If someone told me they had 8 GCSEs I would assume they had some sort of academic difficulties and were advised to take a small number in the hope of passing more of them.

If someone told me they had 8 GCSEs which were all top grades I'd think it was weird that they hadn't done more and assume they'd have been more of a B student if they'd had to take 10 or 11 like most people do.

Yes that's 1 school.

The data clearly shows the majority do 8 or 9 GCSEs. Not sure how many more times I can cope with having to say it.

Some schools encourage 10 but majority don't

Why is it so hard to understand with teacher shortages, budgets slashed etc? There aren't the staff to teach 10 subjects! There are barely the teachers to teach 8 and many GCSE years are being taught by supply teachers or non-subject specialists

What happened 20+ years ago has zero bearing on what happens today in terms of number of GCSEs taken.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/08/2025 15:00

twistyizzy · 22/08/2025 13:30

Well no because most kids don't do 13, at any stage. The majority of adults in UK have 8-9 GCSEs
Some may have more but the majority don't. Very very few do 13 GCSEs ever

In my state school 10 was standard and everyone in the top set for maths had the opportunity to do statistics as an added extra. (I think we might have had classes after school once a week, or maybe at lunchtime). I also did German outside of school and took it in year 10.

So in my school it was 11 GCSEs for those who were good at maths and took statistics, 10 for everyone else. The only people who took fewer than 10 were the ones who were really struggling academically.

If someone told me they had 8 GCSEs I would assume they had some sort of academic difficulties and were advised to take a small number in the hope of passing more of them.

If someone told me they had 8 GCSEs which were all top grades I'd think it was weird that they hadn't done more and assume they'd have been more of a B student if they'd had to take 10 or 11 like most people do.

twistyizzy · 22/08/2025 14:59

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/08/2025 14:54

I'm surprised Ofsted don't have better things to do with their time tbh.

What are the consequences if Ofsted decide they are unhappy that children are getting too many qualifications and the school is doing too well in the league tables?

No idea and honestly I don't really care. Of course they have to investigate schools potentially gaming their position in league table. They investigate everything to do with impact on pupils

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/08/2025 14:54

twistyizzy · 22/08/2025 12:36

Ofsted don't like the practice of sitting GCSEs early either. They will challenge and inspect the reasons behind the practice. The concern is that a school's primary motivation for early entry might be to boost its league table performance rather than for the pupil's benefit. So, whilst early entry is permitted for many students, Ofsted will question whether it truly serves the pupil's interests and learning

That's taken from Ofsted themselves so ask them

I'm surprised Ofsted don't have better things to do with their time tbh.

What are the consequences if Ofsted decide they are unhappy that children are getting too many qualifications and the school is doing too well in the league tables?

HarrietBond · 22/08/2025 14:33

I seem to remember from our tour of local secondaries a few years back that quite a few started the GCSE syllabus at the start of year 9 for maths.

twistyizzy · 22/08/2025 14:32

Drfosters · 22/08/2025 14:29

I don’t know a single private school that timetables more than 10. My child’s school offers at least 2 extra gcse but it is a lunchtime club twice a week for 2 years. I literally can’t fathom where there is a 3rd extra time in the timetable. 10 was hard enough.

Because these posters talking about 13 GCSEs are saying some were sat in Yr 10 which means schools are teaching content in Yr 9. I know many do start end of Yr 9, especially with sciences/maths but the fact remains majority of kids sit 8-9 not 13

Drfosters · 22/08/2025 14:29

HarrietBond · 22/08/2025 14:27

I have no idea! The whole thing sounds batshit to me. It's being done to appeal to the parents who would rather their children went to independent school but can't afford it and is part of a general attempt to look different and ambitious, but I suspect in reality it's a mess.

I don’t know a single private school that timetables more than 10. My child’s school offers at least 2 extra gcse but it is a lunchtime club twice a week for 2 years. I literally can’t fathom where there is a 3rd extra time in the timetable. 10 was hard enough.

twistyizzy · 22/08/2025 14:29

flawlessflipper · 22/08/2025 13:49

The updated statistics for 2025 are here. However, they don’t cover the OP’s situation. Neither do the statistics mentioned by a pp. The 2025 statistics only cover those say in the summer 2025 series. Not GCSEs eat early. Therefore, while less than 0.1% of 16 year olds sit 12+ GCSEs in Y11, the boy in the OP wouldn’t be included in that statistics.

Yes that's the data I used.

HarrietBond · 22/08/2025 14:27

Drfosters · 22/08/2025 13:38

How on earth did they timetable that? Surely there is only the time for 10 in school hours? The only people I know with more than 10 did others out of school or they did extras in their lunch or after school. To timetable 13 for everyone seems crazy and I just can’t see how they do it.

I have no idea! The whole thing sounds batshit to me. It's being done to appeal to the parents who would rather their children went to independent school but can't afford it and is part of a general attempt to look different and ambitious, but I suspect in reality it's a mess.

exhaustedbeinghappy · 22/08/2025 13:52

DCs school paid for a re-mark on A level FMaths as it was 1 point short of an A. They said in instances like that they would always request a copy of the paper, to see if it was warranted. In DCs case both maths teachers who had experience of marking A levels agreed they could see where 4 more marks should have been given so sent it off for a re-mark. Unfortunately it came back with the exact same score - so there was no more that could be done after that.

DC now has to apparently “live his life with the embarrassment of getting a B” which is of course ridiculous, and I told them so. You got your uni place, you learnt the content you were supposed to. As long as you got to the intended next step in your education it’s all good - nobody will stop you in the street an ask your grades! In fact on applying for yr3 placement (in yr2) the only academic information that was required was your yr1 uni marks, on the obvious assumption that if you’re doing that particular degree you have the requisite qualifications to gain entry on the course.

flawlessflipper · 22/08/2025 13:49

The updated statistics for 2025 are here. However, they don’t cover the OP’s situation. Neither do the statistics mentioned by a pp. The 2025 statistics only cover those say in the summer 2025 series. Not GCSEs eat early. Therefore, while less than 0.1% of 16 year olds sit 12+ GCSEs in Y11, the boy in the OP wouldn’t be included in that statistics.

Drfosters · 22/08/2025 13:38

HarrietBond · 22/08/2025 13:33

But the very specific point I was making was that I disagreed with the local school that routinely starts all year 10 pupils on 13 GCSE courses. Nothing wider than that.

How on earth did they timetable that? Surely there is only the time for 10 in school hours? The only people I know with more than 10 did others out of school or they did extras in their lunch or after school. To timetable 13 for everyone seems crazy and I just can’t see how they do it.

HarrietBond · 22/08/2025 13:33

twistyizzy · 22/08/2025 13:30

Well no because most kids don't do 13, at any stage. The majority of adults in UK have 8-9 GCSEs
Some may have more but the majority don't. Very very few do 13 GCSEs ever

But the very specific point I was making was that I disagreed with the local school that routinely starts all year 10 pupils on 13 GCSE courses. Nothing wider than that.

twistyizzy · 22/08/2025 13:30

HarrietBond · 22/08/2025 13:28

Not 13 subjects though? That's what I disagree with.

Well no because most kids don't do 13, at any stage. The majority of adults in UK have 8-9 GCSEs
Some may have more but the majority don't. Very very few do 13 GCSEs ever

HarrietBond · 22/08/2025 13:28

twistyizzy · 22/08/2025 13:27

They have to start in Yr 10, GCSEs are a KS 4 course

Not 13 subjects though? That's what I disagree with.

twistyizzy · 22/08/2025 13:27

HarrietBond · 22/08/2025 13:21

It would have helped if you hadn't started with 'no one takes 13 GSCEs' which felt like an attempt to discredit the OP, when in fact it's not no one. And the stats you're quoting are children taking all those GCSEs in 2024 rather than children who may have got their grades across years. Yes, it's rare to have 13 GCSEs, but not that rare. I did two in a year after my lower sixth - one in my spare time through a club (nothing to do with my school) and one as a complement to one of my A levels taught in a school club. Lots of schools, including state schools, offer these sorts of opportunities, and as I said one of our local state schools does enter some of its kids for this many subjects in year 11 having started the majority off on the courses in year 10 (which I think is a dreadful approach).

They have to start in Yr 10, GCSEs are a KS 4 course

EdisinBurgh · 22/08/2025 13:26

I feel sorry for the girl from a poor background who didn’t get into LSE but could have for a £50 remark.

LSE could have changed her life chances hugely.

Some Unis have that cache and open doors and LSE is one of them. I hope it’s not too late and someone helps find the money.

twistyizzy · 22/08/2025 13:26

HarrietBond · 22/08/2025 13:21

It would have helped if you hadn't started with 'no one takes 13 GSCEs' which felt like an attempt to discredit the OP, when in fact it's not no one. And the stats you're quoting are children taking all those GCSEs in 2024 rather than children who may have got their grades across years. Yes, it's rare to have 13 GCSEs, but not that rare. I did two in a year after my lower sixth - one in my spare time through a club (nothing to do with my school) and one as a complement to one of my A levels taught in a school club. Lots of schools, including state schools, offer these sorts of opportunities, and as I said one of our local state schools does enter some of its kids for this many subjects in year 11 having started the majority off on the courses in year 10 (which I think is a dreadful approach).

In my 2nd comment I accepted my error

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