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Humanities A Levels choices

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SaidTheLovecats · 20/10/2024 15:35

DD is in Year 11 and considering her A Level choices.

She is certain about History and English Lit (predicted 8/9 for both). She is considering for her third choice:

Politics
Sociology
Philosophy
Classics

Only Politics & Sociology are offered by her (good, state) school.
All four subjects are offered at a different sixth form (high performing, local).
She likes her school and I’d prefer her to stay where the staff know her and the school day is more regimented, but we have visited the other sixth form and she liked it, will no doubt know other kids there and I also felt positive about it.

She has no idea what she wants to do at university. Vague ideas about journalism or law as a career.

She ideally wants to aim for a Russell Group university, but she’s open minded. We are not pushy parents and will go with what she wants.

What are these four subjects good for in terms of entrance to different degrees? Does it matter if it’s essentially another humanities subject - are they viewed differently by universities?

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redskydarknight · 23/10/2024 08:51

Excellent results, but the students seem to wander off to the local cafe or fast food place in ‘study periods’, whereas her school requires them to stay on site and use the sixth form study area. Just seems a bit more conducive to learning.

Success at sixth form level comes from being self motivated. That means planning your own study and finding out what works for you.

DD's school was one where you only had to come in for lessons. So DD might have days where she worked for a bit at home, then had a driving lesson before going into school , a study period at school (where she might work, or she might chat - being at school does not mean they are working!) and then leave before school finished for part time job and then worked at home in the evening. Of course that was not every day! Some days she did go into school for a full day and work in the study area in study periods. Some days, she only had one lesson timetabled, so she went into school just for that, spent some time studying with a friend but spent most of the day working at home.

I think this sort of flexibility is great to build good organisation and study habits. And helps with the transition to university where there are generally not an awful lot of contact hours for humanities subjects.

SaidTheLovecats · 23/10/2024 00:41

Thanks again, all. Lots of food for thought here.

I would rather she stay at her current school to be honest @TizerorFizz Its got good pastoral care and behaviour, and really good results.

The other sixth form is a high performing sixth form college (state). Excellent results, but the students seem to wander off to the local cafe or fast food place in ‘study periods’, whereas her school requires them to stay on site and use the sixth form study area. Just seems a bit more conducive to learning. DD is bright and well behaved, but lacks organisational skills and can be a bit of a dreamy drifter without a rod to her back at school Grin.

I’d love her to do Maths A Level or a science to keep options a bit more open. She’s predicted 8 for Maths and Double Science, but whinges constantly about them and says she can’t wait to drop them after GCSE, so it’s a bit of a non starter.

She liked the interdisciplinary syllabus for Classics @VeryQuaintIrene. There was no option to study Classics when I was at school d I thought it looked fabulous, but again - had to bite my lip not to project my views too much!

Re:Oxbridge. Her school took some of the high performing black and mixed race children to Cambridge in Year 10 (DD is mixed race) on some sort of widening participation thing. She didn’t love it for the reasons you might imagine - too white, too stuffy, felt out of place. Although she did a taster day in the History Dept and when we dug a bit deeper, she actually really enjoyed the content and interaction with teaching staff, so there’s hope yet.

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TizerorFizz · 22/10/2024 15:32

I’d just stay at the same school. Dc usually settle better and they are offering decent options. The other possibles offer no advantage unless she wants those subjects at uni.

VeryQuaintIrene · 22/10/2024 13:39

I'd vote for class civ, because it's very (or can be) broad and interdisciplinary, adjacent to many modern disciplines (iiterature, history, art, sociology, philosophy etc) Many for the price of one. (Full disclosure, however, that I am a classics professor...)

Piggywaspushed · 22/10/2024 06:58

It certainly helped him write a better PS.

TizerorFizz · 21/10/2024 22:49

@Piggywaspushed Yes. As the third A level. I am always amazed people don’t read all the info from Cambridge.

However as the DD here hasn’t mentioned Oxbridge, I’m not sure it matters but Eng Lit and History tick the boxes. Maths ticks every box @Godesstobe. English, History and Maths actually ticks 3 boxes.

Edinaandpatsyrule · 21/10/2024 21:49

My DD is doing English Lit, History and Sociology A Levels. She feels they complement each other well although 2 lots of NEAs is bloody brutal and there is a huge amount of writing. She’s hoping to do Liberal Arts as a degree as although journalism is tentative she knows how competitive it is so wants to keep options open. Predicted grades 3 A* so wouldn’t describe her as academically less able and she says Sociology is definitely not a soft option. Hope your DD enjoys whatever she decides!

Godesstobe · 21/10/2024 19:35

I don't think there is much to choose between these subjects. At DD's (state) school sociology was regarded as a soft option for the less academically able, but I am sure that isn't the case everywhere. DD did A levels in English, History, Classical Civilization and Maths and got a place at Oxbridge. Her school recommended she do the Maths alongside the humanities subjects to demonstrate she was not just a one trick pony. Perhaps that swung the balance, perhaps it didn't. She enjoyed the variety though.

Piggywaspushed · 21/10/2024 18:46

Yes, I know that. And that's fine for the OP, too. However, his interview was for sociology so I'm guessing maybe it was particularly helpful in his context; whether you agree or not is up to you.

TizerorFizz · 21/10/2024 18:36

@Piggywaspushed Cambridge interviews more than Oxford and they recommend 2 subjects from their “Best A level subjects”. Your DS had one so you don’t really know if his choices limited his progress or not.

I would say politics or sociology but do what she’s interested in. Law is very competitive when it comes to getting a job too. So don’t be wishy washy about that either.

Blanketyre · 21/10/2024 09:51

Defending your subject at your school. I'm glad to hear it is taught well at your school.

Piggywaspushed · 21/10/2024 09:49

I'm not, fear not - just used to defending my subject!

Blanketyre · 21/10/2024 09:48

Piggywaspushed · 21/10/2024 09:47

You've accidentally aggravated me there! I teach film, and we get the best results in the school - both value added and in terms of numbers of A*s!

I did say it depends on the school. Quite clearly in fact. Don't take it personally.

Piggywaspushed · 21/10/2024 09:47

Blanketyre · 21/10/2024 09:35

My opinion only is that subjects like politics, PE, sociology and film attract students who think they are 'easy' subjects. Hence there being lower grades in those subjects. No A levels are 'easy'.

RS may attract students who aren't worried about subjects being easy or 'cool'! So grades tend to be higher.

You've accidentally aggravated me there! I teach film, and we get the best results in the school - both value added and in terms of numbers of A*s!

redskydarknight · 21/10/2024 09:45

Blanketyre · 21/10/2024 09:27

Yes and also ask the school for A level results by subject. I did this and it was very beneficial. Politics got a tiny proportion of A stars and quite a few Es and Ds, ditto Classical civ. RS got nothing less than a C, and mainly A stars As and Bs. Obviously this depends on the school!

Unless it's a very big sixth form, these are not subjects that are likely to have big cohorts, so these results will depend on a few students with no context as to whether this is a "normal" year or not.

If you do do this OP, make sure to compare to entry requirements. It's not a big surprise that a sixth form requiring a 7 at GCSE to do the A Level is likely to do better than one that only requires a 5.

Blanketyre · 21/10/2024 09:35

My opinion only is that subjects like politics, PE, sociology and film attract students who think they are 'easy' subjects. Hence there being lower grades in those subjects. No A levels are 'easy'.

RS may attract students who aren't worried about subjects being easy or 'cool'! So grades tend to be higher.

redskydarknight · 21/10/2024 09:33

I don't think any of the subjects offer more or less value in terms of future options.

So the decision is down to which she thinks she would enjoy more, and whether she wants to stay at her existing school or move for sixth form. I'd personally consider a less regimented day a pro - she won't have a regimented day studying humanities at university!

Piggywaspushed · 21/10/2024 09:31

Class sizes can vary wildly too. In my school ,sociology, business and psychology have easily 22 + and lots of subjects have about 8 students.

Blanketyre · 21/10/2024 09:27

PerpetualOptimist · 21/10/2024 07:22

I think the key issue is not so much the specific merit or advantages of that third A level, but rather whether staying on at the same school for A levels offers some very real advantages in terms of stability, some/all the sixth teachers already knowing your DC, settling straight into the A level style and standards etc.

Obviously not everyone has that choice and, for some, a change is beneficial but it sounds like your DC likes where they are. For me, the focus would be: which of the subjects available at the current school suit as a third choice?

In terms of selecting A level subjects that are new to DC, I encouraged mine to look at past exam papers (for the relevant board) and some of those GCP revision books to get a sense of 'could I really study this and sit this exam?'.

Yes and also ask the school for A level results by subject. I did this and it was very beneficial. Politics got a tiny proportion of A stars and quite a few Es and Ds, ditto Classical civ. RS got nothing less than a C, and mainly A stars As and Bs. Obviously this depends on the school!

Piggywaspushed · 21/10/2024 09:23

Politics A level really wouldn't teach enough politics to become a political correspondent and I'm not clear why A level politics particularly helps with law any more than any other subject. Do what you want to do most I think is the best advice. If she likes history she will do well in any of those other choices.

OP, I'm not sure if the second school is state or private. If state, state(comprehensive)schools have a history (pun intended!) of not getting good Class Civ results. There's been whole blogs about it - bell curves, competing against highly selective schools, taught by non specialists etc etc. That might make me a bit wary.

Spirallingdownwards · 21/10/2024 07:25

Personally if she may want to do journalism or law, I would go for politics.

PerpetualOptimist · 21/10/2024 07:22

I think the key issue is not so much the specific merit or advantages of that third A level, but rather whether staying on at the same school for A levels offers some very real advantages in terms of stability, some/all the sixth teachers already knowing your DC, settling straight into the A level style and standards etc.

Obviously not everyone has that choice and, for some, a change is beneficial but it sounds like your DC likes where they are. For me, the focus would be: which of the subjects available at the current school suit as a third choice?

In terms of selecting A level subjects that are new to DC, I encouraged mine to look at past exam papers (for the relevant board) and some of those GCP revision books to get a sense of 'could I really study this and sit this exam?'.

Blanketyre · 20/10/2024 17:22

Dc2 did English Lit, RS and Classical Civ. Civ was the hardest to get an A in and she found it really boring. Wished she'd done History. Philosophy A level is absurdly hard. RS/Philosophy and ethics is really interesting.

SaidTheLovecats · 20/10/2024 17:19

Thanks for all the replies so far. Really interesting.

The Philosophy A Level is actually Philosophy. The same sixth form offers Religious Studies as a separate A Level.

Classics is ‘Classical Civilisation’. She looked at the syllabus and thought it sounded interesting (History is her favourite and strongest subject).

Funnily enough, I did English Lit, Politics & Sociology A Levels and was a journalist for many years, but I feel my advice is so out of date now!

I much preferred Politics to Sociology, but found Sociology much easier. But I don’t want to project too much of my stuff on to her.

She’s also much brighter and a better student than I was at her age 😄. I was only good at Humanities and creative stuff - she’s an all rounder pretty much - and I was a lazy arse until university - DD is pretty studious. .

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clary · 20/10/2024 16:34

As others say, any combo of those is fine for any uni in UK. What interests her the most?

I assume classics is classical civ? If that's a passion it is fine to pick it up at uni - I would also not leave a sixth form I liked just to do classical civ A level.

Politics (anecdotally - offered at DCs' school and a lot of ppl took it) is a bit dry unless you love it. I always thought sociology sounded interesting tho.

I always say I am an MFL specialist and I am – former class teacher and now tutor (I’m saying that in case anyone who has seen posts from me about MFL thinks what’s she talking about?) – but I also have many years experience in journalism and can give you (and your DD more importantly) lots of advice on that. The main thing I would say is that it is not a career to look at as a vague idea - you need to be really committed and keen as it is tough to get into and to get on in – simply bc there are so many ppl want to do it and so few jobs out there. But if you need any more solid tips then shout up.