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Maths GCSE requirement for A level Biology

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DorisLessingsCat · 27/08/2024 18:26

DD applied to two colleges and one sixth form for A levels, including biology.

College A (her preferred choice) asked for a 6 in maths.
College B and the sixth form asked for a 5 in maths.

DD got a 5 and College A has said she can't take Biology. She's gutted as it's her number one subject. She's confident that she can cope with the maths element in the Biology syllabus and really, really really wants to go to College A. Does anyone have any advice or insight on how to approach them? They still want her as a student but offered her Environmental Science instead of Biology, but she wants to go on to health/sports/exercise science after A levels.

(For additional context, she got an 8 in Biology, a 7 in Chemistry and a 6 in Physics, as well as a bunch of other 7s and 8s in the rest of her GCSEs).

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SummerSwim · 13/09/2024 20:20

I’ve got A level maths ok it was 30yrs ago so I’m tad rusty but we both had to look up how to do some of the maths being asked on a bunch of biology past papers. DD got. G6 predicted an 7 on her gcse and is needing support to pick up more points on her biology A L after a scrape through the As level. It’s not super easy to some of us I wish last year I’d had more awareness that she’d need support on the maths.

jigglywigglyhungryhippo · 13/09/2024 19:47

Biology really has basic level maths, mostly around calculating percentages/gradients/surface area/etc. No real algebra/ complex equations. So I think she'll be fine as long as she keeps ups with some form of maths and learns how to use a calculator properly.

She may need to understand things like standard deviation (sampling) but they won't be asked to calculate it themselves; same with statistical tests (they will be given equations to use in the data booklet).

Exam boards have lots of free online pdfs of maths examples for the subject. Well worth looking through the correct board.

JustHereWithMyPopcorn · 13/09/2024 18:59

Must be a different board, there was only quite basic maths in his.

Hoppinggreen · 13/09/2024 13:53

Well DD just did it and she tells me there was, mainly statistics and working stuff out from graphs etc I think.
I am rubbish at Maths and I couldn't help with a few things she asked me to and even DH (who is good at Maths) had to google a couple of things

JustHereWithMyPopcorn · 13/09/2024 11:03

My DS did Biology A level, I can't remember any maths in it really?

SummerSwim · 04/09/2024 06:44

Interestingly I hadn’t realised that strong maths was such an issue in Alevel biology. My DD just scraped her AS biology to stay on her second year of AL and after reviewing her papers I can see she’s dropped marks on every single maths question so we’ve now bought the CGP book for maths for AL biology and are going to be helping her with it. I wish I’d known this last year as she’s ok at maths just not doing it in her other subjects so she’s got rusty. I hope your DD does well and enjoys her new college.

DorisLessingsCat · 03/09/2024 19:39

Thanks @WombatChocolate I guess we will see.

The thing is, I think her maths is good enough. Her own maths teacher thinks it's fine and if she had stayed in the (very high performing) sixth form connected to her school they would have taken her without question.

I just find it odd that so much depends on a single exam result. At 16!

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WombatChocolate · 03/09/2024 17:47

Glad she’s in if that’s what she wants.

I would say that those without really strong GCSE maths (I mean 8 or above or at a push a v high 7) tend to perform poorly in A Level sciences. They will probably pass, but you might be looking at a pretty low grade. Whether this matters depends on what they want to do next.

Many students find they can achieve a grade higher in social science or humanity if their English is decent, but their maths mediocre. 5 isn’t strong maths.

Students should study what they like an enjoy but they should also have an eye to what the possible outcomes from their starting points are, and what that might mean for the next stage such as uni entry. Lots forget to look at these things. They find themselves on courses that they struggle with and with grades that are quite disappointing, when they could have done better in other things. It’s worth bearing in mind when considering science or maths A Levels from a low starting base.

Why do places have different entry requirements? Some are more selective than others and can afford to be so as they are popular. Those that can afford to be more selective know that students with a 5 in a certain subject typically struggle. Often students say they won’t and hard work will compensate etc etc but unless there are genuine contextual reasons why thr GCSE was a surprising under performance and the school would have expected higher, their refusal to admit the student is usually well founded and not just to be awkward.

16 year olds often want to go where their friends are going or to do subjects that might not deliver the best outcomes. Making sure they have all the info about likely outcomes from their starting point is really important.

DorisLessingsCat · 29/08/2024 12:42

Thanks @SeaofTranquility, yes, maths for biology a level text book has been purchased and she knows how hard she will have to work at it.

Honestly though, I think she will be fine. She got an 8 in biology and a 6 in physics. She's not a complete maths dunce and she has an amazing work ethic. If we have to get a tutor we will but I think confidence is a big factor.

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SeaofTranquility · 29/08/2024 08:59

That's really great that your DD has got in. As a parent of a DC who has just sat their Biology A level, please do not underestimate how important maths skills are for A level Biology. In my DC's cohort, those who did not take maths A level found it much harder. I would recommend keeping maths going the whole sixth form in some measure on another. I think there are maths for Biology A level books out there and I would recommend at least keeping up with those.

RechargeableGnu · 28/08/2024 15:03

That's great! DD also needed a 6 in maths to do A level biology and was so relieved to get that, her chem/physics not as strong as your DD's.

It's lovely when they get in where they want to go.

prepareforharvest · 28/08/2024 14:54

DorisLessingsCat · 28/08/2024 14:43

She's in!

Goodness knows how she's done it, they came back with a second and final "no" but she managed to persuade them to think again. They are giving her a 6 week trial and extra maths support.

So it looks like it was about her results after all. Strange that the requirements are so uneven across different colleges.

Absolutely delighted for her and my shredded nerves are now recovering...

Thank you all for your help and support.

That's great OP!

If she knows which exam board the college do she could look up the maths requirements of that course, identify which ones were part of maths GCSE and have a bit of a practice of those. It might be that they were the bits of maths she was good at anyway but a bit of prep will help her feel more confident if she feels those 6 weeks are a bit of an assessment.

If she needs any help finding the relevant info feel free to ask and I can probably point you in the right direction Smile

DorisLessingsCat · 28/08/2024 14:43

She's in!

Goodness knows how she's done it, they came back with a second and final "no" but she managed to persuade them to think again. They are giving her a 6 week trial and extra maths support.

So it looks like it was about her results after all. Strange that the requirements are so uneven across different colleges.

Absolutely delighted for her and my shredded nerves are now recovering...

Thank you all for your help and support.

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DorisLessingsCat · 28/08/2024 12:58

Yes, I appreciate there's a competitive element to popular colleges but when you live rurally, as we do, there often isn't a lot of choice / any choice at all! Her backup option involves over 2 hours of travel per day on really uncomfortable buses (often standing room only) and their department for one of her subject choices is not strong.

With hindsight the requirement for a 6 in maths should have been a sign that they were expecting to be oversubscribed but all of the communication from the college has downplayed the risk of not being accepted.

We'll know one way or another by the end of the day,

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Octavia64 · 28/08/2024 11:33

In the U.K. sixth forms and colleges are competitive entry.

Some colleges are big and will basically take anyone as they have enough courses that they can find something appropriate,

Others are not and are really picky.

There are sixth forms near me that interview for places and make offers which kids need to meet (high offers).

Thinking about your daughter, she isn't being told she can't do it. She can do biology a level. Just not at the college she wants.

I understand there are countries where everyone carries on with everything until 18 but most countries have some level of trying to fit the qualifications to what kids are capable of.

Hoppinggreen · 28/08/2024 11:26

Might be jumping the gun a bit here but DD is doing a Biology degree from September and they asked for a 6 in Maths. She says that there are a LOT of statistics in Biology A level and she did need good maths (she got an 8 at GCSE)

RedToothBrush · 28/08/2024 11:23

DorisLessingsCat · 28/08/2024 11:16

@Rory17384949 we could afford a tutor but I suspect the issue is that the course is oversubscribed rather than her maths achievements, but I'll add that into the plea.

@redskydarknight she has always been under confident in maths which has, to be fair, led to her not prioritising it. She's actually improved a lot since knuckling down this year, and moved from a low 4 in her mocks to a solid 5 in the exam. The rot set in at about aged 8 and her primary school never addressed it which I am annoyed about but we are where we are.

I am not from the UK and this experience has been eye opening. 16 feels too young to have doors closed to young people in terms of educational opportunities.

If the issue is over subscription then they will take the kids with the best grades and this is a lost cause.

DorisLessingsCat · 28/08/2024 11:16

@Rory17384949 we could afford a tutor but I suspect the issue is that the course is oversubscribed rather than her maths achievements, but I'll add that into the plea.

@redskydarknight she has always been under confident in maths which has, to be fair, led to her not prioritising it. She's actually improved a lot since knuckling down this year, and moved from a low 4 in her mocks to a solid 5 in the exam. The rot set in at about aged 8 and her primary school never addressed it which I am annoyed about but we are where we are.

I am not from the UK and this experience has been eye opening. 16 feels too young to have doors closed to young people in terms of educational opportunities.

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redskydarknight · 28/08/2024 09:51

DorisLessingsCat · 28/08/2024 08:08

Maths A Level would break her 😀 there is a one year course in applied maths skills (not subject of the exact name) which she wanted to do but her preferred college doesn't offer it.

That's what I was going to suggest. Very common option for students taking Science A Levels without maths. Surprised the college doesn't offer it.

The high grades in other science subjects, might go some way to mollify the college, possibly? Was the 5 unexpected, did she get better grades in mocks/other tests during secondary school?

Rory17384949 · 28/08/2024 09:46

Could you afford a maths tutor or do the college offer this?
Would they let her do biology if she is having some maths tutoring for the first term to get her up to standard in what she would need for biology?

Pythag · 28/08/2024 08:38

Taciturn · 28/08/2024 08:05

Could she offer to do maths as a fourth A-level or AS if they still have these? Sounds like it might help anyway.

She shouldn’t offer to do this, because her maths is not good enough, she isn’t interested in maths and it won’t help with her biology A-level.

DorisLessingsCat · 28/08/2024 08:08

Maths A Level would break her 😀 there is a one year course in applied maths skills (not subject of the exact name) which she wanted to do but her preferred college doesn't offer it.

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Taciturn · 28/08/2024 08:05

Could she offer to do maths as a fourth A-level or AS if they still have these? Sounds like it might help anyway.

DorisLessingsCat · 28/08/2024 08:02

She would absolutely be up for resitting maths but it feels like a waste of time, she has a solid pass and her old biology teacher has said she has enough to do well in biology.

She sent an email off to the admissions team yesterday and hoping to speak to a member of the biology department today. 🤞🤞🤞

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sashh · 28/08/2024 06:50

Ask if she can start Biology and resit her maths?

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