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Which of these four subjects at A level?

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ThinkingAgainAndAgain · 21/07/2024 20:14

DS has just finished y11, awaiting GCSE results. He’s always planned to do A levels, never contemplated a different path, hoping to stay in at his current school subject to getting the grade requirements (quite an academic independent).

He is not interested in sciences or creative subjects, likes the humanities.

He did English Lang, English Lit, Maths, Spanish, triple science, history, geography and classics at GCSE. On track to achieve results were History (9), English Language, Spanish, physics, maths, English literature (all 8s), chemistry, biology geography and classics (all 7s). Obviously nobody knows whether he will get these grades.

He is toying between Economics, Politics, history and geography. History is nailed in as he loves it. Unsure which two of Geography, politics and economics. He is interested in politics but I’ve said that doesn’t mean he has to study it for A level. Ditto economics. He loves Geography but it isn’t one of his strongest GCSE subjects. He reads, but not a huge amount outside of his subjects, which rules out English Lit. He isn’t confident enough in his ability do Spanish. His classics GCSE went badly and he now just wants to leave it behind (plus it’s not offered at his current school at A level).

Any thoughts?

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pinkdelight · 29/07/2024 12:09

From everything you've said it seems History, Geography and Politics is the better combo.

TizerorFizz · 29/07/2024 09:51

@ThinkingAgainAndAgain Just because it’s joint honours it doesn’t mean they won’t want maths. The core of the economics degree will have maths in it. Without maths he is limiting where he can study and it’s a very popular subject. I’d probably swerve Economics without maths.

History and Politics is a good start. My DD found politics dry. It’s absolutely not debating! It’s far more about political systems and mechanisms. Personally I would put English Lit with these two. Limit to one new subject. For great advice on choosing A levels, look at Cambridge University's “How to choose A level subjects”. I realise Cambridge might not be on his radar, but it’s great advice!

clary · 23/07/2024 11:05

Good post @dronesonandonandon I tried to check the A level requirements for econ and pol BA at Nottingham and couldn't find it! Uni websites are often pants.

dronesonandonandon · 23/07/2024 11:01

My dd who did an Economics A level (without Maths A level) did go onto a finance based degree and then career. She never found any of the maths part too challenging and got an A (not A star ) at GCSE. She always enjoyed maths though and probably didn't get A star at GCSE as she did very little beyond going to lessons at GCSE.

However I do know one of her friends dropped all Economics modules, as she struggled with this part of her degree without A level maths despite a A star in A level Economics.
Economics is basically applied maths at degree, so if he doesn't enjoy maths, then a joint honours degree may not suit him. A level is much more essay based with some maths.
Look at say Politics and Economics BA at Nottingham to get an idea of joint degrees.
Also look at Geography degrees with his skill set and interests, as human geography may suit him. He may be interested to read Peter Frankopan's book which looks at History through a geography lens.
Do whatever plays to his strengths and he has capability to get A/A star in a A level. If he is interested in Politics and reads lots about it then the A level in this would be a good fit.
Search online at different Uni courses -then look at modules and what would he be interested to do; work back to required A levels.

Ciri · 23/07/2024 09:06

Be aware that economics A level is also quite mathsy. We pushed DS1 to do economics A level since I loved it (30 years ago) and thought he would too but I hadn't appreciated how much the curriculum has shifted towards the maths side and also hadn't appreciated that most of those doing economics will probably be doing maths A Level. DS1 struggled towards the bottom of the group and was one of the only ones not doing maths A Level (because most want to keep their options open for an economics degree which general requires maths A Level).

Also keep in mind that if he is talking about doing a joint honours with economics, most if not all of his modules at university are likely to be with those doing pure economics. The same applies. If he is in with lots of kids who have done maths A Level he may find himself towards the bottom of any group.

Finally, bear in mind that economics is one of the most competitive degree courses at the moment.

An EPQ plus History coursework would be hard going. I certainly wouldn't recommend History, English Lit and an EPQ. That would take up a significant number of hours and all of the deadlines are likely to fall at the same time and clash with revision for mock exams (depending on the exam board).

ErrolTheDragon · 23/07/2024 08:10

It may be the case that the economics courses that require maths are mostly also wanting high grades, and from what the OP has said, that might be hard for her DS to achieve - he's not confident of an 8 and 'finds it very difficult. ' already.

clary · 23/07/2024 08:05

Yeps for sure but just check out unis is all. I just looked at Leeds (admittedly for BSc econ and politics rather than BA) and they ask for maths. Plenty don't tho.

ThinkingAgainAndAgain · 23/07/2024 08:02

clary · 23/07/2024 07:56

Be aware @ThinkingAgainAndAgain that some unis ask for maths A level to study economics at uni. By no means all tho, and less so when it's a BA (with politics for example). Not sure that any ask for economics A level tho obviously it's a help, not least to see if you enjoy it.

Thank you. He says he wouldn’t want to do straight economics, it would always be joint honours (if he were to do economics at university). So I think not doing maths A level would probably be ok for him.

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clary · 23/07/2024 07:56

Be aware @ThinkingAgainAndAgain that some unis ask for maths A level to study economics at uni. By no means all tho, and less so when it's a BA (with politics for example). Not sure that any ask for economics A level tho obviously it's a help, not least to see if you enjoy it.

ThinkingAgainAndAgain · 23/07/2024 07:48

I should have responded on the Psychology suggestion - he isn’t keen.

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ThinkingAgainAndAgain · 23/07/2024 07:46

Really appreciate all your thoughts, thank you. He and I have talked it through a lot and he’s still nowhere near making a decision!

Neither of us had considered him doing economics (thus leaving it open for a joint honours degree), history and geography and then something politics related for EPQ as he could do politics at degree level without having done A level. So that’s been particularly eye opening. Thank you.

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Beth216 · 22/07/2024 20:21

I'd say History because he loves it, Geography because he also loves it and then economics if he's considering a joint honours in it. He can then do something to do with politics for his EPQ if he wants that is perhaps also relevant to modern history if that's his thing.

clary · 22/07/2024 19:50

Tulipvase · 22/07/2024 17:41

Wow 40% course work!

Has he not had to give an indication of what subjects he wants to do already? Or has he changed his mind?

Yeah for IGCSE English lit and lang you can either do the second paper as an exam or as coursework.

Investinmyself · 22/07/2024 19:42

If he likes modern history then he may love politics. Mine did History Politics and Religious studies. Lots of overlap history and politics.

Wendycoping · 22/07/2024 17:44

Tulipvase · 22/07/2024 17:41

Wow 40% course work!

Has he not had to give an indication of what subjects he wants to do already? Or has he changed his mind?

Just piping in to say schools don't have to choose the coursework option. Dd did Igcse but no coursework

Wendycoping · 22/07/2024 17:42

Would he consider Psychology? My dd did History, Economics and Psychology and really enjoyed all of them

Tulipvase · 22/07/2024 17:41

ThinkingAgainAndAgain · 21/07/2024 23:05

I’ve just had to look it up in the school website as I didn’t know, but yes he did do iGCSEs in English language and English literature. 40% coursework in each.

Wow 40% course work!

Has he not had to give an indication of what subjects he wants to do already? Or has he changed his mind?

Ophie · 22/07/2024 16:34

Ciri · 21/07/2024 21:34

History snd English lit can be a really difficult combination since they both have NEAs which fall in the first term of year 13 under many syllabuses and it can be very stressful.

NEAs can be stressful, but what I will say is I feel like they did prepare me for uni more so than exams as the deadlines were similar and I feel like they were almost easier due to the amount or constructive criticism you get when the teachers review them - they are also strong respected subjects individually whereas economics you’re nearly always expected to do maths alongside.

The best choice would be to 1) look at uni courses if he is interested in university and have a look at entry requirements and 2) I would always say pick what he likes the best, it wouldn’t be unusual for a student to pick a subject they’ve never studied before at A-Level (such as politics). It’s a lot of work regardless of what A level you do, so he does need to be able to enjoy it. I really enjoyed doing history and literature alongside eachother as the themes coincide and a lot of literature is wider reading about the concepts of the time the books were written in and there’s a fair bit of freedom to pick a theme you enjoy to compare to with your NEA. It was a stressful A-level but the one I ended up enjoying the most (and I wanted to do biology instead of it when I signed up to the sixth form!)

dronesonandonandon · 21/07/2024 23:12

My dd did History, Geography, Economics and found they worked well together. Her A level human geography paper she said she wrote an answer nearly all based around economics and got an A star on that paper.

Ds did History, Geography, Maths (high 8 GCSE maths) and I would agree Maths isn't for those who won't be consistently working and enjoy the challenge. It is a more useful A level than Economics, but if he isn't interested he shouldn't choose it!

Both mine had NEAs for History and Geography and did well, but the coursework element does take a lot of time in Year 13.

Ds thought he liked modern History, but has enjoyed the Anglo-Saxon module the most, which his sister detested and enjoyed the more modern American Civil Rights. Economics was her favourite A level.

I would say a 7 is fine for Geography. Look at the specification and find out which modules his school chooses. Highlight what he is interested in. Would he enjoy the physical geography (which favours a light scientific approach) as well as the human?

Do the same with politics and economics.

A levels really favour you being interested enough to read around to get the highest grades, so pick what he is interested in as well as having some GCSE ability.

ThinkingAgainAndAgain · 21/07/2024 23:05

clary · 21/07/2024 22:59

Did he sit IGCSEs? There's no coursework in GCSE Eng language or lit. Shame his school doesn't offer Eng lang at A level. Certainly worth looking at Eng lit if he likes NEAs.

Dd had a coursework element to her geography A level but I guess it varies by board?

I’ve just had to look it up in the school website as I didn’t know, but yes he did do iGCSEs in English language and English literature. 40% coursework in each.

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clary · 21/07/2024 22:59

Did he sit IGCSEs? There's no coursework in GCSE Eng language or lit. Shame his school doesn't offer Eng lang at A level. Certainly worth looking at Eng lit if he likes NEAs.

Dd had a coursework element to her geography A level but I guess it varies by board?

ThinkingAgainAndAgain · 21/07/2024 22:46

Lots of feedback, thanks so much. To answer some questions:

maths - he is definitely against doing it at A level. He thinks he would be really lucky to get the 8. His school require an 8 or preferably a 9 to do maths at A level. And he finds it very difficult.

English language - his school only offers English Lit at A level. He is good at it, and did consider it. But doesn’t feel a big pull towards it. Maybe this is one to keep in mind on GCSE results day in case he ends up doing better in it than he thinks he will. He does like themes, and can see crossovers. I will talk to him about it

history - he lives modern history. The gcse syllabus he did covered Germany in the mid 1900s and he talks about it a lot. He’s really absorbed the content.

NEAs - there would be a coursework element in history, none in geography, politics or economics. NEA suits him, the indications are that he did well in the GCSE NEAs in history and English lit and English lang.

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JumpinJellyfish · 21/07/2024 21:39

If he’s on track to get an 8 in Maths, is he definitely against doing it for A level?

I think it would be a really good balance with History and Economics - would mean he wasn’t doing 3 essay subjects, and he would have more options at university in case he ended up loving economics, plus a good level of maths will benefit him in whatever career he ends up in - I’m a lawyer and my maths is a huge benefit and quite unusual among my colleagues.

Not studying politics at A level wouldn’t prevent him from doing it at degree level if that’s what he wanted to do.

clary · 21/07/2024 21:37

Good point re the NEAs actually.

How about Eng lang - nothing like GCSE but I think it sounds really interesting. Not that there is anythign wrong with his choice - just trying to suggest options.

Ciri · 21/07/2024 21:34

History snd English lit can be a really difficult combination since they both have NEAs which fall in the first term of year 13 under many syllabuses and it can be very stressful.

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