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What are the options for 6th form leavers if jot going to university and can't get an apprenticeship?

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Whatabouththekids · 23/02/2024 14:46

DC1 is an A* student and academically driven. They're at uni. DC2 is less keen on going to uni. That's fine.

I'm helping them look into careers stuff as their 6th form college is rather poor in the area. Is it just too early to be looking at apprenticeships? Or is this just not a viable option in some parts of the country? They're considering level 4 and level 6.

I don't know what they will do otherwise. What do other young people do at 18 who don't go to uni? I know the stats are not good for 18 year old getting level 6 apprenticeships - most tend to go to career changers or to upskill existing staff. Level 3 apprenticeships I've seen often aren't in 'career' type jobs. Also, they might be excluded from level 3 as they'll already have a level 3 qualification. DC2 is clever and hard working too.

Has your dc managed to get an entry level position at 18 and found opportunities once in a company/business? Did they manage to get an apprenticeship and what time of year did they get it?

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Whatabouththekids · 21/03/2024 10:55

Some great ideas here thank you. I think she'll have more time for the volunteering ones when she finishes college. She's a very people-oriented person.

She did work experience for an IT company in Year 11. She had virtual work experience lined up for a females in IT event in year 12, but couldn't do it in the end because it clashed with a week ahe had to be in college.

The BTEC at her college has been uninspiring and it might have been better if she'd gone in to a level 3 apprenticeship at 16. She's got nothing out of college I thought she would get. No industry contacts, support with apprenticeships, inspirational speakers, trips or visits, work experience. Yes, she can do all this herself but you kind of expect some of that from a vocational course.

At this stage I think a level 3 or 4 or any entry job would be better for her. She then gets industry experience but could still choose to do her degree at uni full-time after a few years.

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MrsBlackett · 19/03/2024 13:23

Take a look at the essential and desirable qualities that are needed for the sorts of jobs or apprenticeships she might want and work out if she has any obvious gaps in her background or if there's anything she could enhance.

I highly recommend getting volunteer experience in anything that looks like a gap or that might fit with future work. For example, our local library uses volunteers, especially young people, to help people uncertain about new technology to use the library computers or to sort out their own digital devices. One wonderful young volunteer who was a sixth-former was very patient with me when I needed advice about what kind of kit I might want to buy for playing audio books. He was ticking many boxes for customer service jobs as well as anything that involved communicating IT-related stuff clearly. Several years ago, one of my own children deliberately took over running all the publicity, social media and website for a year for a group he was involved with, just to fill that gap on his CV. There's lots of options if you look for them and this sort of thing might help her stand out in her applications and will certainly give her different things to talk about at interview.

If she's volunteered reliably for a few months, the organisation may well be willing to give her a work reference as well which can be really helpful if you are starting out without a paid employment record.

shepherdsangeldelight · 19/03/2024 13:08

I think it's actually harder to get apprenticeships than places at a university.
For IT, I think she'll need to show a genuine interest in the subject (doesn't have to be building their own kit and learning coding - but they need to have done something outside of their studies), plus some degree of work experience (I would think the Year 12 would be good enough here if she can evidence the soft skills gained).

Look at Level 3 apprenticeships- they can lead on to higher level ones.
Consider entry level IT jobs, or indeed other entry level jobs, particularly in big companies that might offer apprenticeships to employees that prove themselves.

It's worth keeping her eyes open between September-December - DH and I both know of companies who had apprentices drop out before starting (took up uni place instead) leaving the company wanting to fill a vacancy for someone who could start quickly.

Oblomov24 · 19/03/2024 12:48

I have exactly the same issue for ds2. I consider Apprenticeships to be the 'creme de la crème' and like gold dust.

Whatabouththekids · 19/03/2024 12:46

Thanks - we're keeping an eye on local government. It would be a good option for her. I'm also told by a friend who works in IT in the NHS that there will be loads of digital apprenticeships coming up in the future but I've not seen anything yet. This would also be a good option for her. Sadly I don't think I can get DD work experience with her as she works with the patient database and there will be confidentiality issues.

We're now looking at it as a two year process. Leave college, get some more work experience, paid part time job, do some extra courses, be prepared for September job applications. She could apply further afield too as might be more keen to move away from home if need be once she is 19. She has a deferred uni place for 2025 if she changes her mind or can't find anything.

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Whatabouththekids · 19/03/2024 12:41

NotDonna · 18/03/2024 19:11

What do they mean by an ‘IT hobbyist’?

I think they mean someone who spends time in their bedroom building their own computers or teaching themselves all the coding languages.

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hiredandsqueak · 18/03/2024 19:58

Son went into Local Government who later funded his degree and Masters and daughter worked in a bank and later moved to Local Government. They simply applied for the roles advertised.

NotDonna · 18/03/2024 19:11

What do they mean by an ‘IT hobbyist’?

NotDonna · 18/03/2024 19:07

Not IT - DD1 accountancy level 7 apprentice @ 18. Started looking ‘out of interest’ during yr12. Started applying October/Dec of Yr13 & applied to around 8-10. She also had uni offers to fall back on if wasn’t successful in getting an apprenticeship.
Again not IT - DD2 applied to around 5 level 6 apprenticeships in retail/business/sales. Started looking/applying in October (ish) of yr13 but some not advertised until Easter - so getting close to exam time. Got nowhere and went to Uni.

I do think it’s a bit of a numbers game and best to apply to anything and everything that appeals. It’s practice if nothing else. Tell her not to get too disheartened and keep trying. DD1 was turned down by some small / mid tier firms yet was accepted by a big4 🤷‍♀️ Good luck to her!

Whatabouththekids · 23/02/2024 18:07

You're all giving me some optimism. Thats what I was searching for. I think I've panicked a bit. I know she'll find her way.

Uncomfortable Silence - I so wish she was finance orientated as there are so many more of those opportunties out there but she's not.

I expected more from the college. I now know they're in a transition period having bexome part of a larger academy trust. Some of what made it good previously has been lost. We didn't know level 6 apprenticeships were advertised so early. So far she's applied to 1 and only got to the second stage. She's 2 more in the pipeline - a level 4 that looks perfect for her. A level 6 which is not local. A few of the IT post-16 level jobs are looking for IT hobbyists - the job description actually says that - which she is not.

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Jennyjojo5 · 23/02/2024 16:36

My son is 18; he didn’t go to university and doesn’t know what he wants to do as a career. He’s a very young 18 too. He’s decided to do a year of working (he has 2 part time jobs) whilst he figures out what he wants to do in life/focus on. Plan is to look for an apprenticeship later in the year

UncomfortableSilence · 23/02/2024 16:33

DD1 finished Y13 last summer. She didn't want to go to Uni so she applied for entry level jobs in the field she thought she wanted to work in.

She started as a Junior Accounts Assistant. After she finished her probation the company have now offered to pay for her to start her AAT. As it's not a traditional apprenticeship she will have to study in her own time but she's fine with that. She's earning a really good salary, learning loads and gaining invaluable experience. Out of her friend group, two went to Uni, two got apprenticeships at large corporates, the time to be applying for these is from the December of Y13 onwards and the other two also got entry level jobs.

There are lots of options out there.

Octavia64 · 23/02/2024 16:26

are they looking to go into IT?

If so, do they have any idea which aspect?

IT help desk roles are generally entry level.

Do they program already? If so, then which languages?

myphoneisbroken · 23/02/2024 16:18

I know a young person who started working at the local estate agents and loved it.

There are also lots of opportunities to work as LSAs (i.e. in school) where I live - a good way to explore whether working with young people might be of interest.

PerpetualOptimist · 23/02/2024 16:17

Researching careers inside and outside IT, doing side projects on the likes of Github and/or getting paid work experience in, say, retail could all be potentially helpful building blocks for more informed decisions and evidence of self-reflection and employability when the time comes to apply for jobs, whether they are within apprenticeship schemes or not.

L4 and L6 IT focused apprenticeships tend to be advertised Sep-Jan, though - particularly the L4 ones - can appear throughout the year. There is no single place to view vacancies, though the Government apprenticeship website, UCAS website and Notgoingtouni are all good starting points.

Whatabouththekids · 23/02/2024 16:12

Thanks for sharing so far. I don't have many friends' kids that have gone the none uni route as yet. Those that went straight into work went into a trade, Continurd their retail job or flitted around but did not manage to progress.

Sorry for all the typos, I'm ia passenger in a car.

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Whatabouththekids · 23/02/2024 16:07

"Do they not have a part time job already? "

Currently looking but not many to apply for. Perhaps summer will be better. They had a pt job all through year 12 but had to give it up as no flexibility with hours and not able to get herself there it impacted us. But they did it long w ough to get a good reference and demonstrated some soft skills.

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Menomeno · 23/02/2024 16:02

DS and DD1 both started on a Level 2 Accountancy Apprenticeship. DD has just completed Level 7 and is now a Chartered Accountant (ACCA). DS stopped after level 4 and is working as a Finance Manager. DD2 dropped out of sixth form and went straight into a Level 3 Data Analysis Apprenticeship, with a plan to move onto a Level 5 once she completes it next year.

Needmorelego · 23/02/2024 15:51

Yes they (usually) go and get a job. May not be the greatest of jobs and they'll be at the bottom but many find they like having the money and it often matures them up into being an "adult".

SIacker · 23/02/2024 15:48

I manage level 3 apprentices in a career type job. Some of them have come straight from a levels, so this isn't a barrier to getting onto a level 3.

Whatabouththekids · 23/02/2024 15:46

They are in Year 13. Studying IT. It's a she. Level 3 IT apprenticeships are not open to them.

I realise they get a job if no uni or apprenticeship. I should have been a bit more positive in my Op. I guess I'm looking for inspirational stories or viable plan Bs and Cs and Ds.....

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shearwater2 · 23/02/2024 15:42

Do they not have a part time job already?

DD1 worked PT throughout her A-Levels and was taken on FT as a supervisor (unexpected gap year) so she has been saving up for a year before going to university. And doing a bit of travel/holidays in summer. But if university hadn't happened at least she would have her work experience to fall back on. She will be able to transfer to the university branch of the place she works and do a few hours a week there.

DD2 is looking forward to getting a part time job when she's 16 to earn money. She's not academically inclined so I think the work experience is even more important for her.

Once you've had a job it's much easier to demonstrate experience for another one and look like a reliable person for apprenticeships and other opportunities.

Blanketpolicy · 23/02/2024 15:30

I was in IT now as a Business Analyst in Supply. Most of our team of analysts came up through the ranks starting in warehouses, shipment processing , logistics, manufacturing, purchasing , procurement, supply annd material planning etc and the majority are not degree educated but have strengths in processes and systems.

There are so many different roles in supply chains and in the right company the opportunity to move between departments to gain broad knowledge allowing you to progress in the future when opportunities such as significant projects come along.

HPEnvious · 23/02/2024 15:24

My DC got a level 3 apprenticeship after sixth form, which then led on to a level 6. Yes there was some duplication of level 3 work - but not much, the fields were similar but not the same (science) and the apprenticeship was very specialised. It's also meant a little longer in education - 3 years for the level 3 and four for the level 6. But DC has been earning (although minimum wage!), and has no student debt.

Versailles2025 · 23/02/2024 15:23

Out of all of my friends the two who achieved the least academically are the most financially well off.

Both went into low level finance jobs and worked their way up.

Sometimes I use to dream about my son being a thespian and a free spirit. However, he is academic and has gone into medicine.

He will find his path he may just need to try a few out first.

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