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A level Business, Media Studies & Sociokogy/Psychology

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kimlek · 28/07/2023 18:02

None of these are GCSE options at school but DC considering them for A level. Is very definite about Business (defo not economics) and interested in psychology or maybe sociology but know little about the A levels. Very interested in Business/Marketing/Digital marketing/the fashion industry (but not arty), so also thinking the 3rd could be media studies. Not yet done GCSEs but probs 6/7’s. Any thoughts please?

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kimlek · 31/07/2023 09:42

@crazycrofter ahh so sociology involves debating? She’d enjoy that. I wish her current school offered these at gcse.

I think she could be a critical thinker @Gherkingreen given the opportunity. A lot of what she does now is regurgitation of facts. The current school is a little oppressive (v strict) and doesn’t promote freedom of thought. Another reason for wanting to move her for 6th form.

@Piggywaspushed would you recommend sociology A level without first doing the GCSE? Not an avid reader (dyslexia so a strain) but ok ish at English (probably a 6, at a push a 7 in Lang). The school rarely has 7’s in lit. But interested in the world around her, feminism, human rights, justice. Thank you.

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Gherkingreen · 31/07/2023 09:04

Although it was a very long time ago, I did media, English lang, sociology and psychology at A level and loved all subjects. They were new to me, I thrived writing essays and developing critical thinking and loved moving away from 'school' subjects. My degree was in law and politics. I've had a great career in journalism and communications and would encourage anyone to take this kind of combination of they want to keep their options open career-wise.

Piggywaspushed · 31/07/2023 08:59

Yes OP , it's fairly typical for psychology to have slightly higher entry requirements (because STEM piggy grumbles darkly to herself..)

Many state comps only require 4s in English for most social science and hums subjects. At my school I managed to demand a 4 for maths as well.

crazycrofter · 31/07/2023 08:26

@kimlek my ds is in year 12 doing Sociology and Business (plus Criminology) and he needed grade 6 in English for Sociology and in English and Maths for Business. I can't tell you too much about the courses as my ds is a bare minimum/leave it till year 13 type 😱He has said that Business is easy though and he likes debating so Sociology seems to suit him. His GCSE results were split between 6s and 7s, with one 8 (in Business).

My dd did Psychology A Level (with History and RS) and said it was the easiest out of the three. Lots to learn, but the Maths was very basic. She's doing the degree now and it seems that that is harder!

kimlek · 30/07/2023 21:11

They want grade 5 in English Lang/lit to study Business, media and sociology at A level & grade 6’s in English & maths for psychol. Is that would you’d expect?

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kimlek · 30/07/2023 20:17

Piggywaspushed · 30/07/2023 19:56

Those results are very high!

Mmm I did wonder. It’s the local state school’s 6th form. They don’t seem too restrictive on grade entry from what I can gather.

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BuffaloCauliflower · 30/07/2023 20:06

@kimlek I think it comes down to what you enjoy, on what’s harder. I loved sociology, and then did it at uni, so yes it was hard but enjoyable hard? If she likes a good debate, learning about society, and forming arguments, she’ll be ok. I’d say it’s pretty similar to history in skill set, but depends which she vibes with more. Sociology feels more current, though there’s lots of history and old theorists within in, so there’s crossover there. History and sociology complement each other

Piggywaspushed · 30/07/2023 19:56

Those results are very high!

kimlek · 30/07/2023 19:53

oh crikey @Piggywaspushed we’ve gone from 30 to 100! It is A level we are talking about though, which is such a step up from gcse. But to know a hundred studies is quite something!!

Thank you for that @singingstones Ill find out the exam board albeit they may change it (as seems to happen frequently).

@BuffaloCauliflower Im thinking she’s going to need to be pretty literate and good at forming arguments for all those 4 options. It’s definitely something she’ll need to work on! Do you really think sociology is harder than history? History is incredibly precise regarding how questions are answered and the 4000 NEA is quite a slog. She likes history & it’s one of her GCSEs but she’s not loving it enough for a level and the periods the school have chosen aren’t grabbing her.

@smooththecat I have just looked at the (potential) school’s results - media studies Astar/A is 30%, Astar/B is 90%. Which seems pretty good? Sociology is 35% and 60%; psychology is 40% & 70%; business is 30% & 60%. Her current school only offers psychol out of the 4 she fancies hence the potential move. Are these results in line with what you were thinking? Huge thanks!

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singingstones · 30/07/2023 10:08

I'm sure psychology wouldn't be so keen to be branded a science if sociology were better respected, and if we weren't so stem obsessed at the moment. The OU psychology degree begins with a very broad social sciences module, not a whiff of maths or biology.

Piggywaspushed · 30/07/2023 09:47

BuffaloCauliflower · 30/07/2023 09:15

Sociology is harder than history. Which noone expects because of the image of sociology as some sort of easy made up
subject, and history as ’proper’ academic. Sociology has more dates and theorists and arguments to remember, and more having to make your own good, critical arguments too.
Psychology has more maths than many expect too (so does sociology but mainly at degree level, if you do a BSc, which I did)

But sociology can sit well alongside media at forming a critical view of looking at things around you.

How do they do at writing and forming arguments?

It's really odd this idea that people have that sociology is somehow new fangled!Maybe because it's tied up in ideas about 'wokery' ? But, yes, it's a proper, longstanding academic subject. Perhaps when it was more the domain if dead, white males it was taken more seriously...

Some sociologists argue that all other social sciences, including human geography and social history are subsets of sociology. It's the 'father' subject. Imagine if it had been listed as a 'facilitating' subject how differently it would be viewed....

singingstones · 30/07/2023 09:38

Btw I looked up the experimental psychology degree at Oxford, so this is the most sciencey bit of psychology - maths A level is not required and they recommend 7+ at GCSE. So I'm sure 6/7 in maths will be fine for the A level.

singingstones · 30/07/2023 09:26

It’s hard to gauge how mathsy psychol will be. I do know it’s a proper science and well respected. DC is interested in psychology but probably not the bio related aspects. Not very science oriented and struggles at all 3 - probs 6’s maybe a 5.

A couple of thoughts about psychology as DD is halfway through the A level and I am halfway through an OU degree.

I know psychology likes to think of itself as a science but at A level at least it doesn't really feel that way. You should have a look at the spec for your board, but in DD's course there is very little biology so don't worry about that, just some basic brain anatomy and a bit about the nervous system. Nothing like the detail and difficulty of A level biology or even GCSE.

The maths is easy and 6/7 at GCSE should be fine. It's mostly about understanding data, so mean/median/mode, interpreting various representations of data like bar charts, pie charts, scatter graphs, choosing which would be appropriate and why etc. There are various statistical tests but in DD's course it's more about understanding them and being able to write about what they mean than about doing complicated calculations. (They do have to work out standard deviation but it's not difficult.) Again nowhere near as hard as Y12 maths and because it's quite a small and specialised bit of maths, they can really practise and get good at the few things they might be asked.

But have a look, as the specs might be quite different - you could also have a look at some past papers to see how many of the marks are for mathsy questions.

Overall DD is really enjoying it - like many she finds the research methods bit quite dull but it's not hard. For her the hard thing is that there's a lot to learn (according to her, but I'm sure not as much as sociology!) and there are quite a few studies and references. But she finds the studies themselves really interesting and is glad she chose psychology.

Feel free to PM me if you want more detail on the biology and maths content.

BuffaloCauliflower · 30/07/2023 09:15

Sociology is harder than history. Which noone expects because of the image of sociology as some sort of easy made up
subject, and history as ’proper’ academic. Sociology has more dates and theorists and arguments to remember, and more having to make your own good, critical arguments too.
Psychology has more maths than many expect too (so does sociology but mainly at degree level, if you do a BSc, which I did)

But sociology can sit well alongside media at forming a critical view of looking at things around you.

How do they do at writing and forming arguments?

Piggywaspushed · 30/07/2023 09:08

Yes,I saw one that accepted media as an 'art' replacement subject. She will need to look at the different emphases of courses.

On the subject of theory, my colleague and I may be over enthusiastic, but we counted the number of studies students could do with knowing for sociology and came up with over 100!!

kimlek · 30/07/2023 08:59

Ha ha, that’s very interesting piggy thank you! Maybe she looks at Psychol, sociology and business with no media. Although I have seen other courses where ‘art/design’ is needed and media counts as such. Your course looks very & seems to get decent student feedback too.

@smooththecat 30 theorists! Wow. It is A level I suppose. There’s no such thing as an ‘easy’ one.

Lots to think about, thank you.

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Piggywaspushed · 30/07/2023 07:44

Interestingly , I looked the fashion marketing course up on the Uni Guide. Rarely mentioned on MN, this is a great resource as it tells you about entry statistics, including what A Levels entrants typically did, which is what you would like to know.

The answer: Business, psychology and sociology!
Here is the info

Study Fashion Marketing and Branding at Nottingham Trent University - The Uni Guide

https://www.theuniguide.co.uk/nottingham-trent-university-n91/courses/fashion-marketing-and-branding-ba-hons-2023-8a86c434b220

smooththecat · 30/07/2023 00:19

Don’t get me wrong, Media is a good course - for people who understand what it is and isn’t. Similar to Sociology, there is a lot of content. I can’t remember, but around 30 theorists to grasp and you need to apply them to both studied and unseen material to unlock the high grades. Loads of set texts. The practical work is very much meant to demonstrate your academic understanding of the subject through practical application, and that’s how it is marked. I do also think that students going into it should be made more aware that high grades are very hard to come by compared to other subjects.

Piggywaspushed · 29/07/2023 20:27

@ssmooththecat will have a better idea of the dryness , to be fair! That's just what I hear from people who have jettisoned media in their school.

kimlek · 29/07/2023 20:17

Lots of great replies thank you.

@Piggywaspushed and @smooththecat agh! I was thinking that media may be a nice combination of academics and arts. It sounds like marketing in the school prospectus. We also thought some coursework may be good. Not liking the idea of it being dry!

also interesting that your DS piggy thought sociology was content heavy given he took history! Which is hardly light. She likes gcse history but I’m not convinced (and more importantly neither is she) that’s a good option for her at A level - too pedantic, the 4000 word NEA and the school’s choice of periods. Not a reader (dyslexia) so English lit out.

That fashion course is exactly the type of thing she’d love thank you piggy. They don’t do ‘fashion’ at school at all piggy and to do ‘graphics’ you have to have done art at gcse & she can’t draw for toffee.

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dogsweetdog · 29/07/2023 16:53

kimlek · 29/07/2023 09:08

@tennissquare why is sociology a good option for 6/7s at GCSE please? Would it be too tricky for 5/6 profile? Is that compared to psychology? Do you teach one of them?

@dogsweetdog why do you think business, psychol, media would be the better combination please? I think you are possibly correct as Bath Uni for business (only for example) say they want a mathsy/science A level and also a social science/essay A level. Psychology is accepted for the mathsy/science whereas there wouldn’t be one with the business, sociology, media combo. But wondering if you’ve another rationale?

@Oblomov23 no definite course as yet but thinking Business, Marketing, Communications and also interested in combining those types of things with fashion industry (not arty, not designing etc, more buyer type jobs) but it’s all a general ball park. Grades from AAA downwards for uni but if there’s any apprenticeships in the right area then that’s a possibility but I think most likely Uni. Did your DS enjoy sociology and/or psychol even though psychol a bit trickier? Oh, and had he done any of the 3 at GCSE?

I am concerned doing none of the 4 at gcse a bit risky!

Well they all have some relevance to what she wants to do as a career (and my dd did very similar A levels and is in that career!)

Piggywaspushed · 29/07/2023 12:14

Just to pick up on a PP's point...media has coursework. Does she like that possibility?It's good to blend if possible coursework and exam subjects.

Just asked DS what he thought were his hardest /most intensive subjects:

sociology - huge amounts of content
economics - hardest conceptually
history- most pedantic about how to answer 'correctly'.

LIZS · 29/07/2023 12:06

If potentially Comms in future , maybe English would be useful at A level. Psychology and Economics, and to a lesser extent Business will require an understanding of statistics.

Piggywaspushed · 29/07/2023 12:04

I also have one heading for fashion design and branding.

Is graphics or fashion not an option?