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Confused over A level choices

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ihearttc · 07/07/2021 20:25

DS1 has just finished Y11. He is a fairly bright boy and is predicted 6s, 7s and 8s for GCSE. He has picked his a level choices…PE, Geography and Biology. These are some of his best subjects and is predicted 8 in both PE/Biology and a 7 in Geography.

He had his induction day at 6th form this week and PE/Geography are ok, the Biology didn’t go well. He thinks the teacher is great (he taught him before) but the others in the class are just not on his wavelength. I’m aware that sounds really shallow and pathetic but 2 of the boys especially are very hard work and he said he was only in there for an hour and wanted to walk out. There are 10 of them and he said there is literally no one he could talk to. He is rather cool and sporty…they are the complete opposite so I can see why he found it tricky.

Anyway…my question is does he suck it up and just accept the fact that he is going to hate a lesson just to do the subject or walk away and chose something else. He wants to do something sport related…either sports science or become a Secondary PE teacher if that’s relevant.

The other option is his other choices are limited due to timetabling. It would have to either be the biology, Media Studies (which he did for GCSE), a BTEC medical science (which seems not at his academic level) or Maths. The obvious one is maths but he is freaking out over hard it will be and he doesn’t want to fail.

Any thoughts if that makes sense at all?

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ihearttc · 07/07/2021 21:45

@TotorosCatBus

Thank you that’s really helpful. I think he’d probably really enjoy it, it’s the human biology he is really interested in. I shall take another look. Need to also find out how the grades equal to UCAS points.

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ihearttc · 07/07/2021 21:43

@TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross

Seriously I’m not discussing the ins and outs of a footballer…was simply using as an example as he was the first person I thought of,

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ihearttc · 07/07/2021 21:40

@thelastgoldeneagle

He is honestly the least arrogant boy I know…in fact he is completely the opposite. He thinks he isn’t good enough to be in an A level biology class with 9 other people who are questioning why he was there as he appears very different to them. He isn’t doing biology, physics, chemistry and maths like they are. He hasn’t taken part in science olympiads for the school or have aspirations of being a doctor.

No matter what I say it’s not coming out right. He isn’t cool…he is just very very different to them and I was trying to badly demonstrate just how different he is. He wants to play sport and teach kids to play sport not fix their injuries and he isn’t sure he can spend 2 years with others that appear to not want him there.

Some of that maybe his own feeling of lack of self confidence but for him it’s very real. These poor kids have had an awful 2 years and at the moment he is doubting himself every which way.

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TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 07/07/2021 21:34

God, I had no idea who Jack Grealish was but having read his Wiki entry I can see why your DS feels out of place in A Level Biology if he's more like a guy who's been caught allegedly inhaling nitrous oxide, was suspended from playing for violent conduct, was fined for violating Covid rules and has been banned for careless driving 🤨

ihearttc · 07/07/2021 21:32

@TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross

He looked on several courses and none of them specified a science apparently but maybe I need to check myself.

If he was capable of doing Maths, which I am very doubtful, then he’d be fine in there. At least half of his current maths set are doing it. It’s just the particular combination of people in the biology class doesn’t work. I can’t even explain why…he knew it would be challenging and he isn’t usually bothered by what people think but for him to say he felt very uncomfortable I know he must have done. It’s whether he can suck it up and deal with it.

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Piggywaspushed · 07/07/2021 21:29

I taught Ben Chilwell. He was lovely and got on with everyone. Maybe he needs to be more BenWink

It does sound like a crisis of confidence . You said he rates the teacher and that's important and something he should think about. Could he talk to the teacher if he feels a bit all at sea?

TotorosCatBus · 07/07/2021 21:29

A-level Biology and Maths are hard - they often have the people wanting to go into medicine or engineering so the competition for top grades is fierce. My dd has an 8 in both at GCSE and has found them hard. She had to grit her teeth over the biochemistry topics too (has an 8 but not a fan of chemistry)

I wouldn't necessarily discount the BTEC. I believe there's not a lot of human biology in A-level (dd is not here to check) so the BTEC course might be more useful for sport science.

In my experience at my DD's school (a comp)the sporty kids often did PE (sometimes double) , Applied Science (BTEC) or a non-related subject like Business. As long as the BTEC is a level 3 then it is equivalent to an A-level so will be accepted for uni and further study.

thelastgoldeneagle · 07/07/2021 21:26

there is literally no one he could talk to. He is rather cool and sporty…they are the complete opposite so I can see why he found it tricky.

Lovely. You need to help him not to call other people - who may be more academic than he is! - uncool 🙄🙄🙄🙄

They may be thinking, Christ, I don't want this arrogant tosser in my class.

ihearttc · 07/07/2021 21:26

@clary

Thank you for understanding! He is so looking forward to doing PE.

I can’t stand Harry Kane sorry…love Jack though! I’m borrowing DS’s season ticket to watch when Villa come to play our newly promoted team!

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TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 07/07/2021 21:24

If he wants to do Sports Science or become a PE teacher, he'd be a absolute fool to ditch Biology no matter how too cool for school he is:

For Sports Science courses, you'll usually need at least two A Levels (or equivalent) from the following subjects: Biology, Chemistry, Mathematics, Physical Education, Physics, Psychology and Sports.

I suppose he could replace the Biology with Maths - as long as he's on for a 7 or higher in that it should be possible as long as he's prepared to work really hard. Does he really think the Maths set is going to be more on his wavelength than Biology?!

Solasum · 07/07/2021 21:23

I think sixth form is as good a time as any to learn how to get along with people who may not be the kind of people you would gravitate towards naturally. As long as the other people in the class are not going to disrupt your son’s learning, he should surely be able to manage to be polite to them for a few hours a week. It can be a challenge to him, to find ways of interacting with those who are different from him

clary · 07/07/2021 21:22

Jack Grealish is a England footballer…currently in the Euro squad. Really nice chap who gives the impression of not being very bright but is probably rather intelligent…bit like my DS hence the comparison!

oh sorry I am not a Grealish fan, hence the Kane reference! I agree with others, look at what he will need for sports science. My guess is biology will be good, mate of DS's who hopes to go to L'boro fir sports science did PE and biology (and business I think).

ihearttc · 07/07/2021 21:22

@Shadedog

We live rurally so next nearest college is nearly 30 miles away and an awful bus journey starting at 6.30am. He has a place there too doing a Sports Science course but really wants to do 6th Form.

Nearest school has no 6th form…it’s a bit of a nightmare!

I think if I’m honest he is just having a wobble if he is good enough and his experience in the class has just compounded it all. Maybe when he gets his results then he might feel differently.

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clary · 07/07/2021 21:18

OP my ds2 has just finished year 13 and did PE and Biology (and maths actually). He said PE and biology went well together so I would encourage your son to stick at it.

Maths was hard, ds got an 8 and he will be very happy with a B at A-level. PE is interesting as, at DS's school, it was not an especially academic choice. They told me he could get A* but they didn't predict it as they never had one (bear in mind it's a newish spec).

I hear you on the not fitting in thing, I think ds found some of his maths class a bit nerdy, but tho sporty he has always been happy round nerds as well. I hope your ds is more like Harry Kane than Grealish btw!

ihearttc · 07/07/2021 21:17

@Shadedog

I was trying (and failing!) to show how uncomfortable he felt. It’s not about being cool enough…it’s about being in a class with people you have absolutely nothing in common with and who make you feel like you shouldn’t be there.

Media Studies was his reserve choice anyway if the other subjects didn’t work with timetable as he was also considering sports journalism.

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floridapalmtree · 07/07/2021 21:15

My sons are like cool and sporty like Jack Grealish, I know what you mean, but he just needs to get on with it and potentially them, as he will have to at uni and work. A levels and sixth form are more serious and a different dynamic. I really don't think he should be making decisions regarding his future on these boys.

Also, it's very important to look at preferred universities and courses and you'll see what they require. Like for example Loughborough or Bath and Sports Science.

Shadedog · 07/07/2021 21:14

Can he go to a different school? Any colleges nearby?

ihearttc · 07/07/2021 21:12

Thanks everyone…I think the maths is definitely out of the question. It’s not something he wanted to do anyway as he knew that he would struggle but there were few other choices. He is most definitely not mathematically gifted, it’s a fairly low attaining state school so I think in another school he wouldn’t even be in the top set.

Jack Grealish is a England footballer…currently in the Euro squad. Really nice chap who gives the impression of not being very bright but is probably rather intelligent…bit like my DS hence the comparison!

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Piggywaspushed · 07/07/2021 21:11

OP if he becomes a teacher he will have to meet, work with, adapt to and tolerate all sorts!

However, I know kids do choose subjects because of friends and enjoy having kindred spirits.

Is there more than one biology class?

Shadedog · 07/07/2021 21:09

You imagine putting kids that don’t fit into the Sport/PE side of things into a PE class and see how uncomfortable they feel? It works both ways

That’s a false equivalence. The other boys in the biology class presumably like, and want to study, biology. Your ds likes and wants to study biology. It’s not the same at all as someone studying PE who hates PE.

If he wants to do sports science or teaching at university he needs to find out what subjects those courses prefer and work backwards. I can’t get my head around doing media studies instead of biology at A-level when you are interested in biology and want to be a teacher because the other boys aren’t cool enough. They do (or should) grow up a lot in year 12 ime.

ihearttc · 07/07/2021 21:07

I knew I shouldn’t have posted this because it’s honestly not about choosing an A level based on the people in the class. I’m simply querying whether it’s worth being uncomfortable for 2 years to do the subject he wants to do. Of course he can hang around with other people…but at the same time he needs to feel confident within the lesson. He said he feels like they are mocking him, whilst I appreciate that’s his opinion and I’m sure they aren’t it’s how he feels.

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floridapalmtree · 07/07/2021 21:06

Just reread your post, if he struggled to get an 8 in maths then I wouldn't be encouraging the A level in it. My daughter said in her maths class 1/3 were brilliant and just breezed through, 1/3 had to work hard and got decent results, 1/3 worked hard but got average results. She was in the bottom 1/3 after getting the results at GSCE mentioned above.

Piggywaspushed · 07/07/2021 21:06

I really think if he is contemplating sports science or even maybe he could aim for physio, he must keep the biology. Biology also complements geography really well.

Better to be with serious types than dossing slackers.

HasaDigaEebowai · 07/07/2021 21:05

I have no idea who jack grealish is. I do however think you as a parent guide your child to look beyond his view of how uncool the other kids are.

Wimpund21 · 07/07/2021 21:05

My maths A Level was in 2005 so a fair while back...but although the entire class was made up of those who had A or A* at GCSE about half either failed the AS year or dropped out.

I loved maths and A* at GCSE was a breeze for me - I didn't even need to revise. A Level...sheesh. Whole other level.

I scraped a B at AS Level, but with more work/effort needed than my other 3 subjects put together! Then I dropped it after year 1 because it was just too much for me.

A Levels maths is VERY hard. Personally I think you need to be bordering on mathematically gifted to do half decently in it and your average 'very good at maths' student is likely to struggle because it's such a massive, massive jump from GCSE.

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