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Degree in Theme Park Management

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MarieG10 · 25/09/2019 13:46

On the news today was a piece about Staffordshire University and the diversity of courses they offer. They followed under graduates studying theme park management and filmed them at Alton Towers.

Am I out of kilter with this, but i feel this is yet another example of universities extracting £9k tuition fees from students when offering what is a useless degree? I assume (but don't know) that the entry requirements are very low or unconditional.

I feel sad for these young people who I think are being totally conned, being saddled with huge debts and expecting to leave university and have a realistic opportunity to apply for graduate level roles, when in reality probably won't even be considered (unless the role is actually in a theme park!). I employ people and the ones with what I class as Mickey Mouse degrees usually get sifted straight away which having given feedback when asked is sad and disheartening for them.

The reality is that if they are academically not suited to a quality degree, they are better suited to obtaining an apprenticeship and decent work experience.

AIBU?

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OneThreadOnly0101 · 03/10/2019 11:09

Perhaps you should broaden your CV sifting criteria... 🤷‍♀️

Hundredacrewoods · 03/10/2019 10:54

I’d be really interested to hear what subjects you consider the equivalent of “David Beckham studies” or a “non-subject.” Often a key value of an arts-related degree is the research, writing and analysis skills you get regardless of the subject matter.

MarieG10 · 03/10/2019 10:48

@Comefromaway

This makes me so mad. How dare you criticise the efforts from a local university and employer to train the workforce if the future.

How dare I? Well I will point out that currently this country has the right to free speech. If I wish to criticise then I am perfectly at liberty to do so. Why do you say that then? In your book are people not allowed to say things that you personally don't like or agree with?

The point of my comment is to stimulate the debate and see viewpoints of which people have put and constructively, unlike yourself whose only contribution is that I shouldn't dare to criticise the efforts of a local university.

My viewpoint has been exacerbated by employing graduates but not in graduate roles who have asked for advice and expressing the view that they wish they had been better advised on which university and course to attend

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Laquila · 02/10/2019 21:22

I think you’d perhaps be surprised at the breadth of opportunities for a graduate coming out of uni with A degree in leisure/tourism management, both in the UK and internationally.

As a previous poster noted, Merlin is a huge employer in Staffordshire and surrounding areas - I don’t think you can knock the uni for catering to its local community.

Comefromaway · 02/10/2019 21:14

This makes me so mad. How dare you criticise the efforts from a local university and employer to train the workforce if the future.

Alton Towers (& Merlin) employs a lot of people including graduates. They have collaborated with Staffs Uni for ages on training & development. This is a degree run by the university Business School that gives graduates specific skills needed in the sector. How many degrees are there with 18 weeks PAID work experience.

Stoke has lost its pottery and mining industry. Construction firms are going to the wall. Retailers are moving out. There is pretty much the hospital, Bet 365 & Alton Towers left.

Drabarni · 28/09/2019 18:42

I had a similar reaction to my Degree in Leisure and Tourism Management.
The amount of people telling me that you didn't need a degree to book holidays.
It covered amongst other things Finance, Small business enterprises, Marketing, HR, Operational Mgt, Strategic Mgt. They were on top of the industry modules like planning, government, Parks, Attractions, Entertainment, Event Mgt. The list is endless.

Benes · 28/09/2019 18:40

I run a course which is considered quite niche and I'm often questioned as to whether it's an actual subject but my graduate employability figure is 100% with all my students getting graduate level jobs in a related sector.

Benes · 28/09/2019 18:37

*calling

Benes · 28/09/2019 18:37

Exactly...and when nearly 70% of graduate job don't ask for a specific degree subject that gives young people (or anyone at university) the opportunity to study a subject they enjoy knowing they have the chance to be developing skills and attributes that employers are looking for.

And caring degrees 'mickey mouse' subjects is a real big bear of mine. Just because it's not a subject you understand or value doesn't mean it's worthless.

BlueCornsihPixie · 28/09/2019 18:36

People who employ others always think that they know everything. Your clearly not very knowledgeable OP because someone who is knowledgeable is telling you your talking rubbish

My job only employs people with a specific degree. They wouldn't employ someone with a masters in theoretical physics because it would be irrelevant and they don't have the skills for my job. But it doesn't make a masters in theoretical physics unemployable. You don't work in tourism so obviously a tourism degree isn't going to be high on your priorities, but if you did work in tourism it might be.

BlueCornsihPixie · 28/09/2019 18:30

Surely one employer who's field seems to be completely unrelated to tourism sayimg they won't employ people with a tourism degree is completely irrelevant? You don't speak for all employers

You are saying this girl who already works for you couldn't do a higher job, and should have done an apprenticeship which you don't offer, so she couldn't have done an apprenticehsip? She presumably is building experience?

Tbh I think a lot of young people know full well that some of these degrees aren't going to lead to fantastic careers, maybe they just wanted to go to university? And study soemthing they are interested in. We work our whole fucking lives why not postpone it for 3 years and enjoy ourselves?

It's quite irrelevant really if your debt is 50k if your not paying it off.

Benes · 28/09/2019 18:17

It's not just that I feel strongly. This is my area of expertise. I've a significant amount of experience in HE (specifically student recruitment, marketing, careers and employability and as academic) I also work closely with schools and colleges across the UK. I teach, research and write about this subject.

While your experience is valid it is anecdotal and limited. I'm talking about the sector as a whole. There are lots of misconceptions and myths around higher education - some of which you've stated in your posts. It's frustrating to see them trotted out and presented as fact by people who don't have an understanding of sector.

MarieG10 · 28/09/2019 17:56

@Benes I don't claim to be an expert, but I would claim to be very knowledgable, and I'm not alone when discussing with professional colleagues in other sectors. I appreciate you feel strongly to the opposite, and I don't know from what professional background you come from, but a contrary view to what some school sixth forms and universities promote is a healthy challenge to point out that in my ( and many others ) view that the university product is not all it is being presented as when compared to the reality

The result is that many graduates leave university sadly with unrealistic expectations as to job and salary potential because of the poor degree subjectivity and content. Some of those that leave with poor degrees I accept do well, but from my experience a good proportion would have done so in any event without having wasted 3-4 years and acquiring a load of debt

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Benes · 28/09/2019 16:15

But students have to take some responsibility themselves. Even a poor degree can be hugely beneficial to the right student. It depends how they use their time while at university.

FriedasCarLoad · 28/09/2019 16:07

OP, couldn’t agree more. A poor degree is worth less than 3 years’ work experience.

Benes · 28/09/2019 15:59

Also, there is going to be information published on graduate salaries 1,3 and 5 years after graduation as it takes some people time to progress into a well paid job.
Graduate employability isn't the only measure of successful HE study and it's important to remember that.

Benes · 28/09/2019 15:53

Being an employer doesn't make you an expert on HE and graduate employability. It makes you knowledgeable about your sector and the people you employ.

All universities publish the headline figure which is the percentage of graduates in work or further study 6 months after graduation. However, they also have a graduate employment figures. This information is out there. This is changing though and will be reported 15 months after graduation and will include the 'graduate voice' so the students have an opportunity to express whether they felt their degree benefited them and their career prospects.

You're making some huge assumptions that universities don't care about their students and are all about money. Employability is a key strategic priority for universities and it has an huge impact on reputation.

MarieG10 · 28/09/2019 15:41

@Benes Well I speak as someone who employs people and can refute some of the rubbish that is perpetuated by teaching and academic staff in some quarters and misleads young people that what they are studying will give them the opportunities they want.

What employability statistics? If the statistics are that they are in work within 6 months of graduating, well it is meaningless if they do not discern between entering a graduate level role as opposed to being an admin assistant. That is exactly the point for the staff member i mentioned.

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Benes · 28/09/2019 15:12

Your posts actually suggest you know very little.

Yes, school and colleges have been criticised for promoting higher education as a preferred option but the tide is changing in that respect. Universities are actually very careful about what they promise. The CMA regulations make it very clear that only factual information can be presented. It's up to the young people and their parents to investigate all options available in order to make an informed decision. Unfortunately the absence of good quality careers advice and guidance has made that difficult for some. Again, this is changing.

Courses like the one you identified actually tend to have excellent employability statistics. Even if the students decided not to persue a career in that specific area the fact they've essentially studies a business and tourism management course and undertaken a significant placement makes them very employable.

MarieG10 · 28/09/2019 14:40

@MarchingFrogs . We don't currently offer apprenticeships although considering the options. However we will not be offering apprenticeships in areas of work such as administration, unlike some companies as we don't consider it a meaningful apprenticeship. If we do move to offer it will be in meaningful areas whereby they can study and we are able to offer a job on successful completion

@Benes Yet another university bashing thread by someone who knows very little about higher education and graduate employability 🙄

Sorry this is not someone who knows very little about the above. I know a lot and am very supportive of youngsters going in to further education, but dislike in effect what I see as young people being taken advantage of to just generate income for the universities, and being misled as to their likely prospects in the process.

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BubblesBuddy · 28/09/2019 14:05

Sadly yet another misunderstanding of how student finance works. This employee has no debt in a low paying job. Sadly her experience and hopefully exemplary work record means nothing to this recruiter. If I was her I would leave as she’s not valued at all. So many employers come on here and sneer about people with no work experience. Now work experience isn’t valued either!

MarchingFrogs · 28/09/2019 12:27

Does your company offer apprenticeships?

I'm assuming not, or else this young woman might have been directed towards applying?

Benes · 28/09/2019 11:24

Yet another university bashing thread by someone who knows very little about higher education and graduate employability 🙄

Bluewavescrashing · 28/09/2019 11:00

Probably a useless degree but I'd love to do it for the field trips!

badlamp · 28/09/2019 10:59

I studied a similar but not quite so specific degree and I am probably considered very successful now (earn over 100k in a job I enjoy).

I think general business or business management would be a better choice though!

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