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Looking at 6th forms, Autumn 2018 start

65 replies

lljkk · 01/11/2017 20:01

Anyone fancy a chat?

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BackforGood · 11/11/2017 10:28

I'd like to see more 6th form places for dc that achieve around the mix of 5s, 6s, and 7s at GCSE. The selective 6th form option here realistically only offering places for mix of 8s and 9s. dc who get 6s and 7s should still be able to study A-levels IMO.

lljkk · 11/11/2017 09:04

What options do you wish there were, Back4Good, that your DC doesn't have?

Our DC don't really HAVE to stay in education or training. If they don't, nothing happens except mailshots & phone calls from the council. I speak from recent experience.

DD feels a bit torn as diverse yr11 friends talk about going off in all directions. One lad leans on her emotionally. He'll be disappointed if they go to different 6thF (don't worry, she will do what's best for herself! Just wondering how to still support him, too). She can be a great friend. :)

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Theworldisfullofidiots · 11/11/2017 07:56

We don't have much choice either really and all realistic options are a journey

BackforGood · 10/11/2017 23:51

We've looked round 2 last week and have 2 to look round next week (1 of which is her current school). Problem here is lack of realistic choice. Despite the fact that all dc now have to stay in some kind of education or training until they are 18, 6th forms seem to be closing Confused.

dds options are all selective, or a vocational college, or stay where she is.

splatattack · 10/11/2017 22:22

Iijkk I would give them a quick call if you are concerned. Remember it is them trying to get your daughter in their school/college just as much it you trying to get your daughter in. The private college should have a decent admissions department who will be able to answer your call straight away.

lljkk · 10/11/2017 20:28

Here's one for you, Splat :).
DD's applied for 6th form.
(Maybe 1 week ago, not saying it was ages ago, there is no application deadline).

DD's mate applied to same 6th form 3 days later.
Mate has had confirmation from the 6th form, maybe an invite to interview.
DD has heard nothing in reply.
How long do we leave it for DD to send a follow up query to the 6th form?

Thanks!

ps: we are touring posh private 6th form on Monday... I think. They didn't send a clear confirmation message. I don't feel like I've had a clear confirmation that they expect us. Hmmm

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splatattack · 10/11/2017 19:10

Iijkk - we encourage our students to get three really good grade A-Levels rather than pushing them for 4, and we are a really good school. Universities are not asking for more than 3 so there really is little point doing more than this unless you are really bright and able and need tonne stretched and challenged. Many L6 like to start with 4 (esp if they are trying new 6th form only subjects like economics or psychology) so that they can explore new A-level subjects and still have the freedom to drop one if things aren't what they seem. It is a HUGE jump from GCSE to A-Level so this can help a little...

splatattack · 10/11/2017 19:06

I really like the EPQ..students get to research something they are genuinely interested in, they pick up great skills and universities are really starting to take notice of it. I have seen some universities give lower offers based on the EPQ. However, your child will need to be an independent worker and really reflect on the process to get a decent grade. I've been an EPQ supervisor for a couple of years and I love it!

Tingalingle · 10/11/2017 19:01

Splat: what do you make of the EPQ? At one 6th form we're considering, it's compulsory.

Theworldisfullofidiots · 10/11/2017 14:55

splatattack

Could you help with Pros and cons of big and specialised sixth form college vs smaller (but good) sixth form in a school.

TheSecondOfHerName · 09/11/2017 21:16

So DS2 now has:

Plan A: Current school, great sixth form, guaranteed offer, perfect for him, high grade requirements.

Plan B: School further away, great sixth form, might get offer, slightly lower grade requirements.

Plan C: Closest school, good sixth form, very likely to get offer, high grade requirements.

TheSecondOfHerName · 09/11/2017 21:10

On a positive note, both of the teachers giving the individual subject talks seemed engaging and enthusiastic.

TheSecondOfHerName · 09/11/2017 21:08

Just took DS2 to his second open evening. They started with the speeches, which were fine; the head girl's speech was very good.

Individual departments then held 'Why you should do our subject at A-level' talks. These seemed mostly aimed at internal candidates, who made up the majority of the young people there.

I had to stand through both sessions as there were no seats left even though we arrived several minutes before the start (this has happened in DS2's current school, for example at information evenings about school trips, but a student always stands up to offer me their seat).

DS2 already knows what subjects he wants to do at A-level. We were not offered a tour of the school, so he has only seen the hall and two classrooms (we gave up and went home after the second subject talk).

Theworldisfullofidiots · 09/11/2017 15:03

So we've seen both sixth forms now and dd is leaning towards the sixth form college that's further away. She would have to get the grades.
I think for two reasons a. She could do the subject combinations she wanted and that's looking unlikely at current school and b. It was so busy and upbeat.
The school was just a bit boring and more about making sure you have lots if choices if your gcses dont pan out. Even going to see the subject teachers was a bit flat.
Both are oversubscribed so neither has to 'sell' themselves.
So she's going to apply to both and see what happens and work hard to get the grades she needs. It's certainly motivated her though!

lljkk · 07/11/2017 22:31

Just curious what you'd say, Splat! Might be useful for anyone torn between 2 similar choices to ponder.

Do you allow your kids to take more than 3 A-levels, Splat? I feel slightly irritated at DD hearing so many neg. comments about 4 A-levels. 4 is right for some kids.

I feel like DD is an over-excited horse & I'm just along for the ride, at the moment.

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splatattack · 07/11/2017 22:24

The main thing is the student and how focused and able they are. Support from home is a big thing too. Yes, teaching quality varies but if your child is willing to consolidate independently and is conscientious then that will make the biggest difference. All specifications have now changed so no teachers are confident about exam format as there just isn't enough evidence/past papers yet...so all are in the same difficult position. Does this help?

lljkk · 07/11/2017 22:18

Chunters: I think I'd try to get them to come up with a Plan B. Their PlanB whatever it is, but get them to state what it will be.

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lljkk · 07/11/2017 22:17

@Splatattack: honestly, in your opinion, how well a kid does in their final grades -- how much is that due to the environment 6th Form provides & how much is due to inherent stuff inside the kid when they arrived (or their home environment, and other factors you can't control about the pupil)?

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chuntersalot · 05/11/2017 18:38

Having a really crap time with my DT’s over 6th Form choice. Neither will look any further than their current school. The school has a good 6th Form but are very prescriptive around pathways and choices and neither of DT’s can seem to shoehorn their choices into the right ‘boxes’. Also because the school is now outstanding I think just hitting the entry requirements might not be enough. I need to check that out more though.

Anyway neither of them have an alternative Shock They have not been to any other Open Days or made enquiries to anywhere else. We do live in a quite rural/ remote area so tbf there isn’t many alternatives but there are some!

Do you think I need to make sure they have at least one alternative in place? Or just deal with the fallout after GCSE results if one or both of them don’t get a place? I don’t know if it’s me being overly cautious and not well informed.

splatattack · 05/11/2017 18:12

I'm the director of a Sixth Form if you have any questions? I might be able to help/offer insight?

MagicTapeDispenser · 05/11/2017 18:08

My DD has submitted to applications to her current school and the city’s college sixth form.

Her preference is for the school she’s currently at as it offers the subjects she really wants to continue (history, classical civilisation and art).

It’s also important to her at this stage to remain somewhere familiar if she can because she has additional support in place due to long term health conditions.

If she can achieve the grades she needs, she’ll be hugely proud because her health is proving quite the problem.

Best of luck to everyone.

LooseAtTheSeams · 05/11/2017 17:24

I definitely think a final decision will have to wait until after he gets his gcse results, which is fair enough. It’s a bit of guesswork on the application forms, though!

TheSecondOfHerName · 05/11/2017 17:00

DS1 didn't make up his mind about two of his A-level subjects until half a term into Y12. I sincerely hope that DS2 is going to be more decisive.

LooseAtTheSeams · 05/11/2017 16:52

DS has decided he wants a change although will apply to current school. He has got a place at a sixth form college, which is a train ride away (and only half hourly service) but good reputation. The other option he likes is a school sixth form that’s either a long bus ride or a short train ride with 20 minute walk.
One requirement for him is not having to wear smart business dress. Anyway, I am happy with any of the three possibles and he will choose.
But his A level choices keep changing! I thought he was looking at maths, computing and physics originally with music as a fourth if offered or instead of computing.
We now seem to be looking at maths, biology and psychology with possible music or Music EPQ.

TheSecondOfHerName · 05/11/2017 15:07

DS2's first choice is to continue where he is, but he will need high grades for the subjects he wants to do.

His second choice is a sixth form a bus journey away. He liked it at the open evening and has submitted an application, but we may live too far away for him to get an offer.

His third choice is our closest sixth form; I'm taking him to look around it this week.