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National Youth Choir for musical theatre-focused 15 year old?

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Biscuits84 · 05/11/2026 12:04

Any thoughts about National Youth Choir (ages 9-15) for a sophisticated 15 year old completely obsessed with musical theatre, yet who performs coloratura Mozart (Queen of the Night) and Christine’s songs from Phantom of the Opera perfectly, as she views them as a TikTok meme or musical theatre songs, rather than as classical music?

I would love her to broaden her tastes and become lifelong friends with singers from other genres, but perhaps this won’t happen and she’ll just spend 5 days resenting being on the course and be completely put off classical music for life.

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AMouseWithValour · Yesterday 16:58

I think that it's a great idea to get her to widen her horizons and it sounds like she has a wonderful passion and talent.

On a practical note, I think she has missed the auditions for Easter and Summer 2027, so she would be looking to audition next October for 2028.

My DC have done NYC courses and they have loved them and made loads of friends. It's also been really positive for them as they have headed off to uni only to bump into old friends from NYC.

In terms of the standard; I agree that it is variable. But they are exposed to a range of composers and pieces and that can only be a good thing. Some concerts are better than others, and venues can be a bit random!

In terms of the 'types' of singers; I reckon you have a range. There are kids who have been choristers since they were 7 to kids who just love singing. I reckon the majority are keen ensemble singers; there are very few solos and so I don't think it is as cut throat as some courses.😀

She may love it or hate it, but if she is looking for a career in the sector it can definitely add something to her CV.
It can help with developing ensemble skills; she'll have to learn to blend, and that might give her an edge when it comes to auctions for chorus work.

In the older choirs they also give members the opportunities to lead sections, which can also be really useful.

So I would encourage her to go for it. Good luck!

taxi4ballet · Yesterday 16:23

Biscuits84 · Yesterday 15:26

@taxi4ballet This is good advice.

My concern is not whether she needs a Plan B at 18, as there are hundreds of other degree and apprenticeship options at that age, but the 95% chance she would never work as an actor, or for only a few years at most, after slogging her guts out (and racking up £100k+ in debt) for three years at drama school (if she does get a place), by which time most other career options would be closed to her, unless she already has sufficient breadth and depth of training to be able to switch to a new field quickly, eg by doing a PGCE, a postgrad year at a conservatoire or a dance teacher training course.

Of course it wouldn’t benefit her to attend an intense 5 day residential course singing music she dislikes, but I’ve now located the NYC playlists on Spotify and I can see that the music for the 9-15 years choir is very modern and dynamic and it’s quite likely that she would enjoy singing it. If it’s something she would enjoy, a week at NYC could potentially broaden her musical tastes and experiences, help prepare her better for Music ‘A’ level than simply learning yet more MT songs at a MT summer camp and give her direct contact with some of the top children’s conductors and vocal coaches in the country, as well as possibly making lifelong friends with other singers who will go on to specialise in various genres of music in the future, who she could draw advice and inspiration from in her adult life, whether she ends up staying in MT or has a broader role in music coaching/teaching.

If you are in the UK then after a successful audition, she will then be either on a degree course with a student loan, receive funding via a Dada, or possibly even be offered a scholarship if she's that good.

What genres and level is she at dance-wise?

Where do her interests lie and what courses does she want to apply for - straight drama, musical theatre at a vocational college, singing at the Royal College or similar, or some other sort of university performing arts-associated degree?

Gonegrey31 · Yesterday 16:05

My DD was in NYC and it was a wholly positive experience. It opened doors ( she didn’t need to audition for other choirs later as NYC standard acknowledged as very high ). She made friends who she subsequently met at Uni and other music groups and sang with them in chamber choirs / opera groups etc . She gained choral scholarship on the strength of NYC experience. Really worth doing

CaptainCalm · Yesterday 15:38

My niece has been in NYC a few years. She enjoys it but the standard of music (particularly this last year) seemed fairly average. The songs were modern and not hugely challenging, the musical tone and quality of singing was decent but not exceptional. Her school choir is stronger. You can listen to NYT performances online and see what you think.

She has made some very strong friendships, and enjoys it, but it’s not been at the standard we expected. It is long days but if your DD is used to learning music and singing she might find the pace slow and boring, they’re learning at a much slower pace than other choirs DN has been in.

So from us, mixed feedback, so much so that we didn’t bother for our DD.

Biscuits84 · Yesterday 15:26

@taxi4ballet This is good advice.

My concern is not whether she needs a Plan B at 18, as there are hundreds of other degree and apprenticeship options at that age, but the 95% chance she would never work as an actor, or for only a few years at most, after slogging her guts out (and racking up £100k+ in debt) for three years at drama school (if she does get a place), by which time most other career options would be closed to her, unless she already has sufficient breadth and depth of training to be able to switch to a new field quickly, eg by doing a PGCE, a postgrad year at a conservatoire or a dance teacher training course.

Of course it wouldn’t benefit her to attend an intense 5 day residential course singing music she dislikes, but I’ve now located the NYC playlists on Spotify and I can see that the music for the 9-15 years choir is very modern and dynamic and it’s quite likely that she would enjoy singing it. If it’s something she would enjoy, a week at NYC could potentially broaden her musical tastes and experiences, help prepare her better for Music ‘A’ level than simply learning yet more MT songs at a MT summer camp and give her direct contact with some of the top children’s conductors and vocal coaches in the country, as well as possibly making lifelong friends with other singers who will go on to specialise in various genres of music in the future, who she could draw advice and inspiration from in her adult life, whether she ends up staying in MT or has a broader role in music coaching/teaching.

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taxi4ballet · Yesterday 13:58

@Biscuits84 Keeping as many doors open as possible is a good idea, whether it be Plan A, B, C or whatever. The performing arts world is about as unreliable a career choice as you could possibly get. We've been through all that ourselves and come out the other side.

There is no point in pushing your dc down a particular path towards a goal simply because you think it is a good idea and it is what you think she should do. She needs to want to go there.

What she needs to think about at the moment is a sensible range of A-levels alongside her current performing arts interests, as a back-up plan should she not be successful at audition for full-time performing arts training at 18.

Biscuits84 · Yesterday 13:03

Thanks for all this feedback.

@Diddlydays This is good to know. I’ve found some NYC recordings on YouTube and there are NYC playlists on Spotify and Apple Music with recent recordings by the NYC choirs.

@taxi4ballet Only a tiny percentage of MT graduates actually go on to work as actors in the West End or on cruise ships and most of this work dries up by the age of 30. Realistically Plan B or C or D is what they will be doing for most or all of their careers, eg drama or dance teacher, vocal coach, Stagecoach or community theatre creative, performing arts fundraising/marketing. No teenager expects to be the one who “doesn’t make it”, but as a parent/mentor I feel responsible for making sure that as many doors are kept open as possible.

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Diddlydays · 07/11/2026 23:08

My son is in the NYC.I'm not musical at all myself but some of the music they did this year at NYC sounded like it could've been in the score for Matilda. (Someone with a musical ear may disagree). Or world songs. But it was hummable.

I liked it. The other choir he's in favours obscurer new music , and baroque chants but this was more melodic.

As the person said above, at NYC they are singing for the whole day..I think it's excellent for musicianship and choral singing, but it's got to be what you love. If she's joining at 15 too, then many of the people she'd be with may be in their 3rd or 4th year there. The following year it would be re auditioned.

But if musical theatre is what she enjoys then that's probably what I'd encourage as a parent, especially if she can dance too. My friend was in NYMT a very long time ago...in Ragged child she was able to perform it in new York and Canada . It was incredible. One is not more prestigious than the other .

If she really wants to try something very different, Glyndebourne used to do a youth opera which might give you the musical expansion you think she'll benefit from with the theatricality part? If they don't still run it some of the other opera companies like Opera North might have a similar offering

Yourchildrenwillbegiants · 07/11/2026 22:22

As I understand it, National Youth Choir courses are not for the faint hearted. The days are long and full on - singing all day and all night, no other activities whatsoever, for the whole course. Talking, not concentrating or not being 100 per cent committed to the choir is not tolerated. The concerts at the end of the course are always superb but there is a lot of waiting around on the day of the concert and that can be boring. Total classical music bods love it, they love it so much, but I’m not sure your daughter would be quite so impressed.

taxi4ballet · 07/11/2026 22:00

@Biscuits84 Is she planning on a future career in MT?

Biscuits84 · 05/11/2026 18:45

@ChristmasShumper It’s hard to know exactly what the course will involve in order to be able to present an accurate picture to help her decide. Also, she loves classical music when presented to her as a TikTok meme, musical theatre song or song from a film, but would run a mile if the exact same song was presented as “classical music”. For example, in addition to the songs I mentioned above, I have just been sitting in the car with her singing along beautifully to “O Holy Night” on Magic Musicals, because it’s the song from Home Alone, but if I took her to a real church choir rehearsal where it was being sung she would run as fast as she could out of the door.

@FiveEightNine Yes, this is exactly why I think the experience would be an eye opening one for her and hopefully broaden the musical styles she genuinely enjoys singing. Fortunately, she does have experience of singing in school choirs, including singing as a visiting choir in a cathedral. I can see it might be hard to break in to existing cliques, but she’s very outgoing and makes friends easily.

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FiveEightNine · 05/11/2026 17:46

Plus: If she genuinely likes music, 5 days exposure to other genre(s) should be fun. Classical repertoire has different magic and short term workshops are good way to try it.

Risk: Does she have any previous choir experience? If not, it might be annoying experience to be one of the oldest there and clueless.
Similarly, if some children are returning, it might be harder to properly bond with them being 15.

ChristmasShumper · 05/11/2026 17:40

But what does SHE want to do, OP?

bababamama · 05/11/2026 17:39

My dc did a couple of things with nyc and they were full on choral - classical, but it’s been 10 years so things change

Biscuits84 · 05/11/2026 17:36

Thanks both. She’s done BYMT shows and professional MT training courses, but I would love her to expand her horizons by experiencing other genres of singing too. It’s hard to get a feel for how the NYC courses are run, what genres are covered and what “type” of young singers attend the courses from the videos on the website and Facebook page.

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Needanadultgapyear · 05/11/2026 14:54

Would she consider NYMT/BYMT which would be the specific genre of MT. But currently it seems she mainly prefers the the legit style this might expose her to standard broadway, contemporary and juke box styles.
My DD made lifelong friends on her two BYMT productions some of whom she has now worked professionally with. They also counted as professional credits on her professional portfolio.

Autumnallaround · 05/11/2026 12:21

Well presumably she will only do it if she wants to?

I really dont think you can engineer their likes and dislikes. My DD is MT to her core but also sings opera brilliantly and her conservatoire applications reflect a mix of them both, plus she has a mix of singing teachers to reflect the different styles.

But I couldn't have made her do any of this. She does what she wants and what she is passionate about.

What does your DD want to do?