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After grade 8 flute?

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GeneralMusings · 20/05/2024 19:47

Hello

My daughter (15/yr 10) is sitting her grade 8 this summer.

Her teacher has floated that she might want to stop lessons. I think she knows we are fairly low income and we've been having an hour a week (!!). She has also just got into a regional youth orchestra that required an audition and grade 7/8 and her music teacher thought that might be enough (3 hours a week plus school orchestra).

She isn't going to make music her career but I know she does love her lessons. However we are struggling financially at the moment and it is her final year for gcses and she is now committed to her orchestra for 3 hours a week and going for her lesson takes an evening a week as well.

Any thoughts? I know proper music people will say to keep learning but just wondering compared to coat/time if it's a natural time to stop?

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GeneralMusings · 13/07/2024 18:19

She passed with Merit (some wobbles on the scales) 😍.

I was wondering if we ought to look at upgrading from her (yamaha 211) or if that's not needed.

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highchairsareforbabies · 01/07/2024 16:44

That sounds like a wonderful musical journey, thanks for explaining @GeneralMusings Best wishes to your dd.

GeneralMusings · 01/07/2024 13:34

As for what we're doing the music teacher suggested a break! She said to let her focus on year 11 at school, and to spend time on orchestra and ensemble pieces and for fun and also on developing her oboe skills so she's not looking at grades. She's recommended the new school teacher for a change of input but perhaps for year 12.

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GeneralMusings · 01/07/2024 13:33

Hello!

We aren't really near a conservatoire but she did pa's her audition for the youth orchestra in our area which is well regarded. She's really enjoying it and they're going on tour next year to Europe.

My daughter is older than yours - she started about 10ish and at that age had school lessons and got to grips with the instrument I think. We wanted her to do it because she loved it not because we made her and she did stop for a term when she went to secondary. We encouraged practice but not at the level many here do.

What really inspired her was at secondary she had the chance to join the orchestra and did a summer school where she was inspired by the older learners. I think being inspired and having others to play with made the huge difference for us.

We started seeing the school music privately for an hour a week when she started to progress and has didn't do all the grades. Most progress for her came once she was already grade 5 as she loved it and could play with others and wanted to improve so this last year or so I'd say she's grown the most. She wouldn't have done if I'd pushed it when she was younger. But I know they're all different!

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highchairsareforbabies · 01/07/2024 09:52

@GeneralMusings your dd sounds impressive. How much did she practice her instrument on average? Did she have an outstanding private teacher throughout or did she learn at school with a flute teacher? How much did her teacher(s) focus on posture, embouchure etc? Asking as my dd loves the flute is musical but technique not great. She is 10 and practices about 10-15 min a day.

highchairsareforbabies · 01/07/2024 09:47

Can she join a youth conservatoire?

minisnowballs · 06/06/2024 17:18

@GeneralMusings I do know what you mean - I cannot believe the cost of music (and DD2 still does not own her main instrument, as there is no way we can afford a bassoon). However you have given your DD a gift that will last her forever, and she will I'm sure pass on to your grandchildren. When I was 9 years old my parents randomly bought a piano and my Grandma paid for lessons for us all (we shared them between us!). From that, I 'only' ever gained Grade 5 in piano, but both my brother and sister ended up with Grade 8 - and years later my brother is now a piano teacher.

But even for me - the least musical one - it has been a huge gift - it gave me the confidence to sing in my college choir at Uni, and I used the skills I was taught to help my DDs when they were younger. Now they have far surpassed me, and DD2 looks set to do more music than any of us could ever have imagined. I always think of it as my grandma's multi-generational gift - financially very costly for her and my parents at the time, but what a difference it has made even now... You've made a huge investment in your DD's happiness - and whatever happens next she's reached a brilliant standard. Amazing!

GeneralMusings · 06/06/2024 11:09

@Floboe I had NO idea about the expensive of the oboe. None at all. I thought the flute had been bad and was quite naive.

We had a loan one for a year and then we did buy one heavily reduced through the music teacher (as much due to him not wanting to see the loan one ever again I think 😂).

I'm v grateful it's her second instrument as we cannot put the money into it it needs.

I can't believe how costly it has been to stay in music. But it has given my daughter so much joy 😍 and I love hearing her play.

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ilovesushi · 06/06/2024 10:21

I think your solutions for your DD's music sound great! She is going to continue to get loads of music in her life and also have time to focus on GCSEs with some down time too.

Another one here with DC with SPD and food issues, so feel your pain on that one too!

Comefromaway · 06/06/2024 10:15

I feel for you there as the mum of a child with food sensory issues.

GeneralMusings · 06/06/2024 10:13

We looked at future talent last year but earn just just over their income limit (I upped my hours and we didn't before that. I do occasionally wonder if me upping my hours "paid off" but that's a different story!)

We're not on UC anymore since I did this.

But also with cost of living were struggling.

I was hoping perhaps it wasn't so much a necessity to prioritise but maybe it is.

(the other big drain is school lunches. Both are autistic and fussy about what they eat/don't like sandwiches) and are facing a huge battle limiting their spending here.

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Comefromaway · 06/06/2024 10:02

Can you see if there are any local funding streams. For example I am in Staffordshire and I fundraise to provide instrumental lessons for low income/disadvantaged youngsters and I know there is also another charity set up in memory of a child who died who does the same for all aspects of performing/sports. In the North East there is the Chloe & Liam charity who do something similar in memory of two Manchester Arena victims.

I know that one child I currently sponsor is looking at applying to something called Future Talent funding. https://www.futuretalent.org/

Future Talent | Inspiring Young Musicians

Founded in 2004 by The Duchess of Kent and Nicholas Robinson, we strive for an equal reality where all gifted young musicians from low-income backgrounds flourish.

https://www.futuretalent.org

Floboe · 04/06/2024 15:00

Well done to your daughter! I also have flute as my principal instrument and then took up oboe - although much later in life!

I would actually advise that your daughter stops weekly lessons and focuses on orchestra/ensembles, including in her practise time, and school exams.

I agree that fortnightly lessons work much better post grade 8, and if her current teacher doesn't offer them then another teacher who works with adults very likely will. But dropping the lessons for a while won't do any harm - she can come back to it at any point in the future when time allows. Doing the ARSM diploma after uni would be a great way for her to get back into it in a few years.

Plus, the oboe is addictive and beautiful, but needs a lot of stamina and practise to sound as good as it can, so realistically she's going to need extra time for that. And there's a limit to the hours in the week... It is one of the worst instruments to pick in terms of money though, everything with it is so expensive, especially trying to find those damn unicorn reeds! (But worth it).

GeneralMusings · 04/06/2024 12:15

She will still have the shorter oboe lessons in school most weeks.

Its the hour a week we are contemplating reducing.

I've realised that fortnightly may well mot suit the teacher as it's a place another pupil could have (well 2 as its an hour).

She'd love to stick with her and develop her piano but there's limited time and money. I wish there wasn't as this might be ideal.

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GeneralMusings · 04/06/2024 12:10

I don't think we would have thought about it if money wasn't so tight to be honest, and it also takes an evening out of the week which might be easier to be home for yr11. I know in an ideal world she could have lessons forever.

However her goal was to make it into the regional orchestra which she had to be grade 8 for and she's made that. So she will be playing 3 hours a week there and 2hours in school orchestra. It isn't like she's quitting music!

We're still mulling it over tbh.

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ilovesushi · 04/06/2024 09:43

My DD is still a way off grade 8 but I have never thought about it as a moment for then stopping lessons. Surely there is still lots of learn. Though moving to fortnightly lessons does sound like a good plan if it suits you both. Thinking back to my childhood, my brother carried on with lessons on violin and piano after grade 8. For one instrument I think he switched teacher after grade 7 and stayed on with her post-grade 8.

GeneralMusings · 01/06/2024 08:55

Oooh your daughter sounds ace!

We're several hours from anything like that and it's not going to be her degree choice so we are going to stick with the regional orchestra she's just joined as she's so excited to be doing that.

I'm not super fussed about her taking any more qualifications just want her to enjoy it.

Its more whether to stop or reduce the lessons now so still thinking. May go to once a fortnight?

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Mathsbabe · 01/06/2024 08:13

You can apply for bursaries to go to a junior conservatoire. My daughter loved Birmingham on the flute.

GeneralMusings · 31/05/2024 23:31

Thankyou. We looked at inspire and nyo last year but she hasn't really got time for all the travelling it involves and now she's in her gcse years she wants to focus on the orchestras she is in! I think it's partly she knows people/has friends etc and does get to perform in a reasonable venue with her now current one.

Really appreciate people's thoughts. Financially stopping would rwlaly help but even going 1 x a fortnight would soften the blow a bit.

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ChristmasGutPunch · 21/05/2024 10:43

She should get started on playing for paid gigs. Flute might not be the most marketable (although look for weddings and suchlike as you never know) but her second instrument is probably pretty good and if it's piano she could clean up. This is the best part of being musical as a teenager.

horseymum · 21/05/2024 10:41

Grade 8 is the beginning of the whole wide world of repertoire! She's done brilliantly to get into a competitive orchestra too. Have a look at NYO inspire, it's for state school kids grade 6-8 and does a couple of short courses, all free with amazing tutors. Sometimes there are other opportunities too, like a day or two as a visitor on actual NYO courses which is a fab opportunity. It's not auditioned, you just have to explain why you'd benefit. I would try to keep some kind of regular if lessons frequent lessons as it will help her prepare for orchestra etc as well as helping her choose repertoire to work on etc. music is a gift for life.

GeneralMusings · 21/05/2024 10:34

I'm pretty sure the teacher could go higher, she's quite accomplished and her child also went on to be so but she is probably aware of our financial situation and that my child isn't going to persue this academically and maybe was sounding her out as she probably knows many do.

I dont really know as she spoke to my child not me. The teacher has been amazing and really my child has come on so much but yes it's been an hour a week for a couple of years.

I think I was curious whats normal and if they do lean more towards independent practice. As yes not having to drive out a night a week and the money would be useful from my pov. I suspect my daughter would carry on with the lessons forever but in her mind she would learn /own lots of instruments and has endless time!!

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Octavia64 · 21/05/2024 10:24

It's quite standard at higher performance levels to drop to an hour a fortnight.

My son is a musician - did a music degree. He had a lesson a fortnight after leaving school. His degree offered an advanced performance option which was also once a fortnight,

The presumption is that you can practice largely independently and the lesson is for new ways of playing /corrections etc.

minisnowballs · 21/05/2024 10:18

I suppose the other thing is, if the teacher is talking about stopping, are they someone who likes to teach above G8? If not, they may not be the right person going forward I guess. I don't know - maybe everyone does on flute, but I certainly know teachers on other things who don't really know what to do above this level.

minisnowballs · 21/05/2024 10:17

Could you cut to half an hour a week - or second that fortnightly would otherwise work, if the teacher is happy to hold a slot for that? DD2 is a similar age and working on her ARSM diploma thing on flute. She only has half an hour a week - it isn't enough for her teacher's liking, but with the ensembles as well she is still progressing. I get that it is all SO expensive. If that won't work, just keeping up the orchestra for GCSE year and then rethinking I'm sure would work too I reckon - she's done so well to get into that and will learn loads from it.