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Autumn 23 Music chat

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horseymum · 31/08/2023 11:30

It's autumn term already! I'm sure there's lots of music going to happen this term. Welcome to anyone who wants to chat about your child's music activities, whether current or things you hope to do. It's a friendly group with experience at many different levels.( I've learned so much) No question is a daft one and don't be put off by chat about higher levels, all our children couldn't play a note once.
Come and ask about starting music lessons, which instrument to choose, exams, music festivals, specialist schools, orchestras and ensembles. We love talking music.
We also love to share music exam successes or struggles etc ( you can't always shout about these on FB!).
Feel free to do a wee intro if you want, although it's still public so only share what you want to.

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QueenMabby · 27/11/2023 09:14

@horseymum - we have technical practice and performance practice here! Definitely worked when dd was smaller @Bunnycat101 as when she was doing the performance practice she knew she couldn't stop.

She would often do one "technical" run through (stopping and correcting mistakes), then one "performance" - no stopping and then a final run through when she worked on any bits she ploughed through on in the performance.

@horseymum - as my dd does all her exams at school I think I've saved a fortune in hot chocolate and cake!

horseymum · 27/11/2023 08:18

Christmas music will be lovely! My wee recorder pupil is playing really challenging Christmas things because she's motivated and knows what they sound like. I'm sneaking in plenty of technical stuff at the same time, win- win! The perfection is really common. Playing with others helps ( can you play anything along with her, or sing) as you can't stop. I try to talk about different types of practice - working on tricky corners Vs playing through without stopping whatever happens. It's really hard for perfectionists to hear a mistake and keep going. Watch some of Richard Michael s videos ( Scottish jazz musician, teacher, church organist, all round great guy!) His motto is 'mistakes are cool'!
In our house we reward exam effort with a cake in a coffee shop after the exam, ( middle DD reckons we still owe her one for a virtual exam!)

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Bunnycat101 · 27/11/2023 08:03

@horseymum definitely don't want to jump straight into grade 2. I’ve got her some lovely Christmas music and will have a look for some pieces so we can have a term of just fun and then maybe start off the new scales alongside. She’s a bit of a perfectionist so trying to work on making sure she plays on if she makes a slip and not stop in frustration. It feels like it will be a learning experience whatever happens and I want her to be proud of the effort she’s put in and not the result.

horseymum · 27/11/2023 07:52

@Bunnycat101 Hope the exam goes well. Music is meant to be fun too so if she's not enjoyed preparing for it, definitely a good idea to change it around for a bit afterwards and have fun getting confident playing a variety of music. Nothing wrong with playing some more from the grade 1 book as you presumably have bought it. Just don't need to spend as long getting them up to 'exam standard '. I find it sounds a bit hard work when people do three pieces, exam, next three pieces, exam etc without enjoying a wider range of music. However, whatever suits people best is totally fine and some children are more motivated by exams.

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northerngoldilocks · 26/11/2023 22:19

Congratulations to your DS @chickentikkasalad that's a great result!

Bunnycat101 · 26/11/2023 20:03

A while back I asked for some advice about my 7yo sitting her grade 1 this term who was borderline. We ended up getting a slot for the last date and will go for it- she has worked so hard and made a lot of progress (back in September she’d only started the grade 1 book) and if she’s doing well I think she could get distinction but also could completely implode and fail altogether. Either way will be leaving exams for at least a year and just looking at having fun for a while.

chickentikkasalad · 26/11/2023 18:16

@horseymum the examiner must have been quite generous. He only took 2 points away for the wrong timing in clapping and the wrong answer for the counts.

horseymum · 26/11/2023 16:54

@chickentikkasalad well done to your D's! You definitely don't have to get everything perfect to get a distinction.

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chickentikkasalad · 26/11/2023 16:34

@QueenMabby thank you and well done for the concerts!

QueenMabby · 26/11/2023 16:31

Congrats to your dd @chickentikkasalad a distinction is fantastic!

No exams here but dd had two successful concerts this week.

chickentikkasalad · 26/11/2023 16:23

DS took the piano exam on Thursday and got the result today (very impressed with the speed) - a distinction! He was over the moon as he said his clapping was not on time when he came out of the exam room. Now he knows it doesn't matter to have one or two things wrong.
NYSO audition result not out yet they said hopefully next week. 😬
Any other DC's got exam results back?

minisnowballs · 22/11/2023 08:59

@horseymum we just have airtags- I have an (ancient) iphone so I'm the only one who can check them though. They're very effective but I don't know what the android alternatives are, sorry!

northerngoldilocks · 22/11/2023 08:58

We use air tags on instruments. Have previously used 'tiles' on other things though

horseymum · 22/11/2023 08:30

What tags do you use for instruments? We have Android phones. And expensive instruments, none of which belong to us. ( Except one which is on emergency loan to someone else!)

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QueenMabby · 21/11/2023 22:14

That's interesting @northerngoldilocks. Dd has good pitch and can sing it all fine but she's rarely fully relaxed when playing and definitely squeezes with her thumb on the back of the cello too much. I'll tell her to try and loosen her grip!

northerngoldilocks · 21/11/2023 17:02

Lovely to hear about all the music concerts that have been happening - for us its all still to come!

DD has a concert on the 9th where she's playing a piano solo at her music school end of term concert and then another one on the 16th where she's playing in the strings ensemble, a piano trio and singing in the choir. She's also got her school Christmas music concert on the 18th and her G5 violin exam on the 19th - busy times. Her violin teacher is about to go on tour so tonight's lesson might be her last before the exam, though hoping can fit in 1 or 2 just before depending on how it fits, but thankfully have a friend staying next week who can hopefully help!

DS also has to re-audition for the wind band he was in last year on Friday- which is weird as its different from how they used to run it. Maybe there are more people interested so he's a bit worried as their self appointed worst flautist (he's also the youngest!). I say he's worried - but he's not worried enough to be home practicing and has gone to a friends after school! He has a school Xmas concert to go and then end of term activities at Sat music to do.

@QueenMabby DD sometimes has tuning issues on violin - most noticeably on scales but i find that if I shout 'tuning' from another room she can correct it straight away, so am taking this as an indication that its an issue about listening to what she's actually playing. My violinist friend said that its either that she can't sing the music in her head (which we've checked by singing the scales and its not that), or she's gripping too tight on the neck of the violin - which is very much the case so trying to work on that. Wonder if cello has the same effect?

minisnowballs · 21/11/2023 13:17

Thanks @Siriusmuggle - yes, both are tagged, which is a relief. Mostly I can just see them moving between her house and the woodwind department.

Siriusmuggle · 21/11/2023 13:16

@minisnowballs if she's using public transport I'd recommend an airtag in each instrument case. My son's lives in his case at all times- we bought it after an airline lost a number of his school mates instruments (thankfully not his!).

minisnowballs · 21/11/2023 12:48

well done @QueenMabby 's dd. We've just been up at DD2's school for the first concert we've seen there. Unsurprisingly rather more impressive than we're used to, but very relaxed (not the main symphony or anything, just some of the smaller ensembles she's in). We sprung her from woodwind performance class first and took her for a pizza - and got in trouble for returning her 15 minutes late after taking her out after the concert.

It was just SO nice to see her though!

She's got an audition for a band she's been in for years (but for some reason they're reauditioning_ when she is home this weekend, and because they've asked her to audition on both instruments she'll have to bring them both home - a right pain. Fingers crossed she doesn't leave them on a bus or a train.

thirdfiddle · 21/11/2023 12:03

Agree it's particularly hard for growing kids. I think real turning point is when they click about listening to themselves critically and adjusting when it's wrong. So the fact she is even knowingly working on it bodes well.
DD's teacher has her do slow scales or passages, checking individual notes as you go with open strings. And naming notes as she plays too - if you know that note in 5th position is an A, then you know to check it with the A string, or at least that it should resonate with the A string. Particularly in things like chromatic scales it's easy to go by relative pitch and get systematically out.

QueenMabby · 21/11/2023 10:50

Thanks both. It's definitely a dd problem and not a cello problem! She's generally flat so has been trying to stretch a bit more. In her lesson yesterday she was sharp so has obviously gone too far!

horseymum · 21/11/2023 09:14

Something we tried in an orchestra string sectional was separating bowing and fingering. So trying a short passage just bowing on open strings without using any left hand - sounds awful but gets you to focus on one thing at a time. Then swap and just do one really long bow and do normal left hand. ( For me bowing intrinsically helps timing and notes so this was less helpful). Slow practice play one note check in tune, sing next note then play. I imagine that when a child is growing, the shifts can feel different as the movement you did is subtly different as arms/ hands grow. Grade 6 is also probably moving into more challenging shifts too ( I play bass not cello so we have more shifts but the pieces are easier!) Also on my instrument, certain notes just sound better so I have to work at some so they don't stick out. I prefer some positions to others so need to not neglect the ones I don't like. I only really play in an orchestra so timing is even more crucial.

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thirdfiddle · 21/11/2023 08:53

Dd's been planning her piano piece for this year's Xmas concert since two years ago. It was a little tricky to perform at that point, then last year she did a violin piece. Hope she gets a slot or it may get another outing next year!
DS has no idea what he's going to audition or even which instrument. Auditions are this week. 🫣
Fingers crossed for audition result-ers, good luck to exam-ers.
And well done QueenMabby's DD! There are usually a few little things, which usually we and the performer notice but the rest of the audience don't.
QueenyMabby, is it strings going out of tune or her? For player, lots of practice, slow, listening like mad, checking notes against open strings when you can, planning ahead for finger placements and shifts, lots of slow shift practice. Someone told me that when listened back in slow motion even top players don't land every note perfectly but they adjust faster than you can hear it's wrong. I thought that was really interesting and reassuring. Tuning is a lifetime job for most of us.
But if it's the cello causing problems may be luthier time.

QueenMabby · 21/11/2023 08:12

We've put the Mozart to bed now after DD's concert last night. Thank God!

She played really well. As is the way of these things, a couple of tricker passages that were causing her trouble went perfectly and a couple of really easy bits that she doesn't give a second thought to tripped her up but overall it was good.

No exams here just a good mix of repertoire. G6 cello will be happening at some point but at the moment she's just playing around the pieces and trying to get her bloody cello in tune! She plays beautifully but her intonation is often off and she struggles to get that right. Any tips?

horseymum · 20/11/2023 21:46

I checked to see when NYOS audition results email came last year and it was not until the 12th December so we still have ages to wait for younger DD!
Hope everyone's exam prep is going ok for those partaking this session. Everyone sick of the pieces yet? We have had the piano pieces for quite a while as higher grades take DD longer to learn. Also got a final outing for an oboe piece at a concert this week then that gets put to bed for now. DD never usually complains but this one has been hanging around for a while! She's excited to get stuck into the NYO music now for Christmas residential.

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