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Should I let DS give up DofE bronze

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Odilon · 28/02/2023 09:11

DS 13, yr 9, summer baby so not 14 until end of the summer term. Also currently undergoing ADHD assessment. School is one of those where DofE is semi compulsory, they do army cadets and DofE combined for one period per week (though this stops next year once they’re onto GCSEs). Only one kid in his year not doing it - don’t know why or what this child does during that period.

Basically we have paid the full fee for Bronze but DS is now saying he doesn’t want to do it at all. They all signed up at school but he’s done basically nothing so far. His skills and physical sections are activities which he would be doing anyway, but despite our best efforts we’ve struggled to find him anything to do for volunteering - people not responding, or saying they only have opportunities over the summer etc - and his dad & I aren’t really enmeshed in the local community enough to know anyone that can help so it’s been super stressful. Even the skills & physical teachers don’t seem interested and I’ve sent multiple emails about them signing him off but never get a reply.

For DS though he is freaking out about the expedition. He’s been put in a group with two friends who are also ND and not really coping with the putting up of tents etc, leaving my DS to do more than his fair share when it’s not something he’s ever done before. We’re not outdoorsy and I have no idea how to help him. I’ve suggested he talk to the teacher about it but apparently she’s said the groups can’t be changed, so he won’t . The fourth boy in the group is apparently ‘very bossy’ (DS’s words) and DS doesn’t like him.

He now says he wants to give it up and has told the teacher this. She told him okay, she can’t force him, but that we have to confirm in writing that we’re happy for him to withdraw because we’ve already paid, but I don’t know what to do. He’s absolutely dreading the walking, the camping overnight, the No Phones rule (which personally I think is crazy) and tbh I’m pretty worried about it as well.

But I’m not keen on him giving things up just because it’s a bit daunting. I don’t think it sets kids up well for life to do that (speaking from my own personal experience) and I think he’ll get a sense of achievement from having completed it even if he doesn’t enjoy it. He’s the kind who would just stay on his phone or computer and never talk to an adult if he could get away with it, so I was keen for him to do this to get out of his comfort zone a bit.

We also can’t really afford to throw away the £150 fee that we’ve paid, but DS says he’d rather get a job and pay us back this money. Which is all well and good but idk what jobs he could do at 13 either (no paper rounds available nearby - I’ve checked) and he’ll barely have time once yr10 starts, with his other extracurriculars as well.

TL;DR - should I force suspected ADHD DS13 to continue with DofE bronze for ‘character building’ reasons and because we’ve already paid, when he doesn’t want to do it and it’s causing me stress? Also - does anyone know, for the overnight camping are the teachers/leaders usually nearby? I’m ok with them walking unsupervised but he feels very young to be camping overnight without adults. Thanks.

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AmaryllisNightAndDay · 28/02/2023 15:29

My own DS is ND and got a lot of benefit from DofE, but he wanted to do it and they were well supported. He didn't do much over his existing activities and he did need support, for volunteering I spotted an ad and walked with him to the local charity shop, and he did the rest.

I’m not keen on him giving things up just because it’s a bit daunting.

He's not even diagnosed yet. His abilities and disabilities have not been scoped and right now his whole life probably feels more than a bit daunting. The school doesn't sound a like a very good fit and if he is still going to school (not refusing) and doing a couple of activities he's actually doing OK.

So if your DS is stressing over DofE then I don't think it's a priority right now.

CatOnTheChair · 28/02/2023 14:52

I don't think using 2 activities he already does, and his parents sorting the volunteering is going to give him much benifit.
The expedition group sounds like a poor combination.
I don't think he is going to get anything out of any of it.
imo, it is the trying new things, organizing things yourself, taking yourself out of your comfort zone bits of DoE that are the benefits, rather the actual doing.
That said, it sounds like the expedition is quite a long way out of his comfort zone, and perhaps not something to try right now.

The 150 is gone whether he completes things or not. What is best for him right now?

KnittedCardi · 28/02/2023 14:43

It's a shame that you had to pay up in the first place. So many schools insist on it. I had to go into DD's school and was bullied into getting her to do it. It was ridiculous. Personally I would never want to sleep in a tent either, there are perfectly good alternatives available. DD2 was only one of two who didn't do it that year. DD1 did her Bronze and detested the entire thing. They had to go and collect her by car, when she refused to walk any further.

They both did volunteering and work experience off their own back, do a lot of sport and exercise. It didn't make any difference to their Uni choices or work applications. DofE is highly overrated IME.

AddictedtoCrunchies · 28/02/2023 14:40

Odilon · 28/02/2023 14:35

I’d no intention of forcing him to go on and take silver and gold. He was clear from the outset that he didn’t want that and that’s fine. But didn’t you get any sense of achievement from at least completing the bronze even if you didn’t enjoy it?

I actually felt pretty epic when I got my Gold and still have the certificate up in my office now. Plus I got to take my dad to the Palace for the day which was brilliant. (It was 27 years ago and he only said last week that he still had his 'palace' suit..!) However I didn't enjoy it at all, especially the camping bit and would have stopped had my parents given me the option.

I suppose that's a very good point.....
I didnt hate it enough to point blank refuse and so I ended up going all the way. So maybe they did a favour.. ?

I volunteer at my local ParkRun and we always have DofE people there for the volunteering thing. Worth thinking about if he decides to continue.

Sorry, v crap reply..

Odilon · 28/02/2023 14:35

AddictedtoCrunchies · 28/02/2023 14:27

You've already paid the money so it's gone. Nothing you can do about it. I did DofE through to gold and hated it. Only continued because my parents made me. If he hates it, let him stop.

I’d no intention of forcing him to go on and take silver and gold. He was clear from the outset that he didn’t want that and that’s fine. But didn’t you get any sense of achievement from at least completing the bronze even if you didn’t enjoy it?

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AddictedtoCrunchies · 28/02/2023 14:27

You've already paid the money so it's gone. Nothing you can do about it. I did DofE through to gold and hated it. Only continued because my parents made me. If he hates it, let him stop.

Odilon · 28/02/2023 14:23

Puffykins · 28/02/2023 14:11

I dropped out of DofE bronze for not dissimilar reasons - the camping being the major one. 25 years on, I'm definitely successful in my career (which involves lots of travel but does not ever necessitate camping) and no one has ever asked me why I didn't get my DofE bronze award. I also got into a top university without it. Some people enjoy camping and orienteering and cooking sausages over a fire. Others don't.

Oh yeah I know, and I’d have been ok if he’d said at the start of the year that he didn’t fancy it but he’s been absolutely insisting that he did want to do it until very recently. And it’s a bit annoying after we’ve a) paid
and b) invested a huge amount of time and effort into scrabbling around for a volunteering thing he could do and bothering other people about it. I’m not thinking it’ll help him on his CV or whatever (though I’m sure it wouldn’t hurt). It’s more about the principle of not seeing things through.

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antshouse · 28/02/2023 14:18

Our local neighbourhood has a group calling themselves wombles. They organise litter picking at weekends and often include parents with young children.
Is there anything like that need you he could offer to help.
One of the organisers could sign to confirm his attendances.

Puffykins · 28/02/2023 14:11

I dropped out of DofE bronze for not dissimilar reasons - the camping being the major one. 25 years on, I'm definitely successful in my career (which involves lots of travel but does not ever necessitate camping) and no one has ever asked me why I didn't get my DofE bronze award. I also got into a top university without it. Some people enjoy camping and orienteering and cooking sausages over a fire. Others don't.

Odilon · 28/02/2023 14:04

Actually they do the expedition in mid May with a practice in April so there’s not that much time. And his sports coach took one of the forms months ago but he’s since moved up to a different team and the guy won’t respond to my questions about getting the form back or passing it on to the new coach. It’s very frustrating.

However I had such a viscerally negative reaction to your suggestion that I do some walking and camping with him that I think you’ve possibly helped me answer my own question, lol. My excuse is I’m 50+ with bad knees but even so! Anyway I’ve emailed his teacher because there’s a chance he might go to her again today and say he’ll do it after all (because I got a bit annoyed with him about it this morning) but then if I relent, he’ll want to change his mind again. So she deserves to know what the issues are and why we’re vacillating. It may be that she can change his group after all and/or allay some of his and my worries about it.

Thanks for your response though, it helped clarify things in my mind.

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CMOTDibbler · 28/02/2023 09:26

I'd take it a bit at a time - the camping isn't till the summer is it, so loads of time to get more used to the idea. For volunteering, my ds did his DoE during lockdown, and his volunteering was online with Zooniverse. He signed up for counting a particular cell type and really enjoyed it as they sent updates about how it contributed to science. Loads of different things on there.

I think though, maybe you could push yourself a bit out of your comfort zone a bit and start taking him walking, borrow a tent from someone to practice with and demonstrate a bit of a spirit of 'lets push our boundaries and try it'.
With signing off his skills/activities, surely he just prints out a letter saying 'ds attended a one hour class in x on these dates' and takes it in for them to sign?