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Spring 21 virtual music thread

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thirdfiddle · 09/01/2021 15:07

New year, new lockdown, new virtual ensembles and digital exams - welcome to a new, virtual, all digital, socially distanced music thread.

This is a continuation of a very long running and friendly series of threads, dating from long before my time, and anyone with music learning kids from pre beginner to music college is welcome to jump in at any point. Thank you to our esteemed founder and to all the lovely knowledgeable folk who chip in.

PS success stories welcome too, we like a cheery post. Never mind the stealth boasting here, just boast, your kids earned it.

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LuluKentGirl · 05/05/2021 08:24

@LuluKentGirl

no indeed, you can do the recording when you're ready and then making your exam booking after. Trinity is super flexible, so they recommend you book when you're ready to take the exam (or have it done already). from the moment you book, the login details will arrive within 7 days, and then you have two weeks from this point to submit. just make sure you've read all the notes about the video process, although i found it far less complicated than ABRSM. there is no need for the children to speak, and i produce a type written programme which lists the pieces in order as well as every scale they will play. then they show this to the camera and work through the list. they do mark on the overall performance - my daughter lost a couple of marks for example for 'quick transitions' between pieces.
just to add, i felt the Trinity marking is supportive and positive overall, which is not the feedback i've heard on the ABRSM performance exams. in all their recent exams, the children scored slightly better than i was expecting.
LuluKentGirl · 05/05/2021 08:21

no indeed, you can do the recording when you're ready and then making your exam booking after. Trinity is super flexible, so they recommend you book when you're ready to take the exam (or have it done already). from the moment you book, the login details will arrive within 7 days, and then you have two weeks from this point to submit.
just make sure you've read all the notes about the video process, although i found it far less complicated than ABRSM. there is no need for the children to speak, and i produce a type written programme which lists the pieces in order as well as every scale they will play. then they show this to the camera and work through the list. they do mark on the overall performance - my daughter lost a couple of marks for example for 'quick transitions' between pieces.

thirdfiddle · 02/05/2021 12:50

Hi Lulu! Sounds like a busy musical household! And harp too - what a beautiful instrument to learn, your daughter will be much in demand. Joining orchestras/ bands was a real turning point for my two, they really enjoy the social aspects, even glued to the screen grumpy preteen DS. And DD is going a bit mad with it this term - she's 9yo violinist similar standard to yours.

We've only done one online exam last summer and think it's changed a bit since. DS is lining up g5 brass this term. One question you may be able to answer - is there any reason I can't make the recording first and submit the entry after?

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LuluKentGirl · 02/05/2021 10:34

Just introducing myself, it's so great to find this thread Smile

both my DS (7) and DD (9) are quite musical, DD plays violin and harp and DS plays cello . we've done a number of Trinity Digital exams in the past few months, DS has done G1 and G2 cello, DD has done G1 and G2 harp, and G4 violin (taking G5 this term). happy to offer any insights around Trinity exams as needed, feel like i have parent pro status for these now Grin

i played instruments myself as a child (piano, clarinet) and am an adult starter on the violin (have done g7) although am no more than an enthusiastic amateur. i really enjoy supporting the children at home with their practice though, and seeing their enjoyment of joining an orchestra this term which they are loving.

Paddleroundthepier · 29/04/2021 17:58

Old member here with name change.
We turned down JD for DD to remain with her current teachers, and for other reasons but this was the main one particularly for one instrument. Really happy with the decision.

thirdfiddle · 28/04/2021 11:29

I don't think it would be common for students to have a different teacher outside JD. Even at conservatoire itself friend's DS only had one individual lesson a week. Music schools may do more? I went the other way and had lessons every other week in 6th form. Teacher gave me plenty to keep me busy in the meantime!

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chocorabbit · 28/04/2021 08:17

I think it might be a bad idea to post youtube links but since I saw so many cello players on here yesterday it was suggested and we watched FASCINATED with the children a lady playing cartoons' and shows' intros! The videos are called "Knightrider for 8 cellos", TMNT, Thundercats, The Imperial March etc. She has arranged all 8 cellos and recorded all of them separately and then joined them together! Now, that's something to play in an ensemble, although I am sure they must have other amazing repertoire too!

Thanks, thirdfiddle for explaining! Do the children still do lessons with their old teacher? During my last two years my teacher could only do weekly lessons instead of twice weekly and I feel I could have progressed more with twice quickly.

I developed blisters as an adult starting again since I didn't have a guitar for many years after I moved to the UK. As a child I never had blisters but it is a common theme with adults learning. I am sure all players of string instruments have calluses! I think that the new ABRSM books are more child friendly but then I am not a teacher. It's really great your books worked for you! It is a shame that due to the lockdown I couldn't actually visit a bookstore and see the books myself. It had never occured to me that a Waterstones might have music books and I don't know of any local music stores. Surely, there is Amazon but you can't actually see inside them and it is irritating!

thirdfiddle · 27/04/2021 22:05

Sorry choco, may have been muddling the reference books with the ABRSM workbooks - we did look at the latter too but I thought the non abrsm ones were more small child friendly. Surely fingers can toughen up without blisters, you don't want to put your DD off. Violinists get tough finger pads too.

JD is junior department of a music conservatoire - they're Saturday schools with individual lessons, ensembles and other music classes.

pesOpenguin good luck to your DD! Excellent advice above. It's lovely teacher can accompany her, they will be able to tell her how much to play in the practice room too. We did more playing when it was piano and less when it was brass for fear of tiring DS out.

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OneLovelySister · 27/04/2021 11:11

Pes0, British weather being what it is, you may opt for a fan and some ice cream on the day...

Pes0penguin · 27/04/2021 11:01

@OneLovelySister fabulous tips thank you! So helpful. I’ve written myself a list on your advice and will now seek out the gloves and thermos!

chocorabbit · 27/04/2021 10:58

@thirdfiddle it really is a good thing that I am a parent because I can push and rearrange her fingers any time I want apart from demanding a different seating position! She keeps resting her right hand on the guitar like I used to do (and I vividly remember my teacher correcting me!) and I keep raising it. Once she learns how to relax her right hand and play a lot faster there is no stopping! It's like learning to walk, why go back to crawling?

She has really long fingers and therefore properly right angled left hand fingering although practice makes it best and long fingers is not everything. In fact, I don't remember any of my tachers having long fingers.

Now she has started to use the 4th finger (pinky) more and it hurts. Let's see when she will build calluses. At least I know what to do. It's a question asked when you develop blisters. Should I perservere or rest? If you perservere for a few more days the blisters will go away and you will have a nice layer of thick skin on your fingeritps Grin I remember studying on my desk as a young teenager and would place my left fingertips on my desk lamp's bulb and could hardly feel a thing.

Some times we spend 1 hour for 4 times a week so we have done lots more exercises than I had done. Later on definitely an experienced teacher would help but we will see when the time comes.

We have the Theory in Practice books from ebay for DD not the other reference books! But they are useless for us as they are based on exercises which I didn't know and had all been written. I thought they were just theory, that's why I bought the new "workbooks" too which saved us. I got the Taylor reference AB books for myself second hand and oh dear God, I so much prefer his TIP! But I still prefer the new Discovering Music Theory books.

I have seen that some of you want to go to specialist schools. We do not have sush an intention but what does JD stand for? And how does it work, do you go there after school, at weekend, or is it like a day school with all lessons taught plus lots of music teaching?

OneLovelySister · 27/04/2021 09:59

Pes0, I had good advice on this back in 2019, so I’ll share what worked for us.

  • decent practice early evening the day before
  • light practice on the morning
  • warm up with a few scales and arpeggios in the warm-up room, and run through pieces if time, to get the hands moving and relax into the experience.

Take gloves and possibly hand warmer sachets or a hot water bottle to prevent chilly fingers.

Remind DC that an exam is just a chance to show someone else what they can do, and that the examiner wants them to do their best too.

Best tip I had? Treats and debrief in a café afterwards. A flask of hot chocolate and some biscuits is an acceptable substitute if no café option or time constraints.

As the parent in charge, plan the journey and write a list of all bits to take to avoid any last-minute issues.

Pes0penguin · 27/04/2021 09:48

@chocorabbit - interesting about the warm fingers! Good one to remember!
They have said there will be a practice room available and her music teacher will also be there (as she’s playing the piano accompaniment)
The exam is at 9.40 so I’ve agreed with school that she just go in afterwards as it’s about a half hour drive from school anyway.

chocorabbit · 27/04/2021 09:39

@Pes0penguin we have not had an exam yet but when I asked I was told that there might be or there might be not a warm up room (unless you know the place and that they do have one there!), or that if you go early to practise and they see you are available you might be asked to start earlier. The website (now was it ABRSM or Trinity?) was saying the same and that you should spend the morning practising. So do they expect you not to attend school? If the weather is very good and fingers are not cold I have noticed that I need much less warm up.

Now let's have all the knowledgable and experienced people answer!

Pes0penguin · 27/04/2021 09:12

Hello all! I’ve just found the new thread - slightly late!
DD has her grade 2 exam this week as another school have kindly loaned their examiner out. Means I have to actually take her though - so I was wondering if anyone has any dos/donts for the night and morning before the exam?
Best to do some practice? No practice?
Should she practice in the ‘warm up’ room?
Any advice gratefully received - I want to make it as exciting an experience as I can for her (she’s 8) without too much pressure - but still with her knowing it’s an important event!

thirdfiddle · 26/04/2021 18:47

Hi choco - sounds like the guitar is progressing nicely. Good thing about being parent too is you can make sure they practice the things they're supposed to practice, might help if you need her to focus on right hand at some point. There may come a point where you want an experienced teacher to give direction and motivation tho.
We used Lina Ng Theory of music made easy books up to g4, trying out Ying Ying Ng music theory for young musicians for g5 and finding it maybe a little clearer. And has lots and lots of practice examples which is good as DD is little still. The Taylor books are a good reference but I don't think you could learn from them!

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chocorabbit · 26/04/2021 14:49

I teach DD classical guitar. Still early days for us. We started in January and she has shown signs of being at Grade 1 right now. She needs more practice with her sight reading (not for exams). And still more practice to develop finger independence. Her left hand is developing faster and I won't know when to panic about the right, although it is is still early. I had seen enough students when I was learning not progressing stuck at the same level due to not developing good right hand technique and finger independence. Then they would complain why the teacher wouldn't give them tremolos to play. Otherwise when she is ready we will proceed with the Carulli studies for guitar which I have not seen many people mentioning in the UK!

We have used the "Discovering Music Theory" workbooks and they are easy to follow! I grew up abroad so I have never done the British theory books and when I read workbook I thought that the Taylor books were the theory so bought them second hand. Still I prefer the new books which I think describe everything more clearly although I have kept the ebay books for reference.

thirdfiddle · 22/04/2021 11:37

Oh what a pain greenmonkey. It's a different world! Where we are any g5 would be brownie points but scholarships go on playing.

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greenmonkeypuzzle · 22/04/2021 11:07

We're looking at music scholarships so I'm not kidding unfortunately. Grade 6 is a different exam so we won't be doing that yet so it's back to the grindstone with grade 5 for us.

Well done @Purpletomato to your dc. Especially that they did it alone.

Purpletomato · 22/04/2021 10:53

Theory results are in for my two. One got a merit (72/75, the other a distinction (63/75). I'm happy with both, they can move on to the next grade. They studied the books entirely on their own during Lockdown 3 with no adult help so I'm pleased with them.

Comefromaway · 22/04/2021 10:48

It can make a difference when applying for university. Ds got a Merit in his grade 5 theory which will be fine for most places but some ask for distinctions at certain grades in lieu of A level Music (not offered either at his old school or current college)

thirdfiddle · 22/04/2021 10:36

You're kidding greenmonkey? Well done! Does anybody really care about merit or distinction in anything let alone theory? Move on! If they really care about having a distinction, do the next grade up at least. Good lesson for future school exams to check answers.

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greenmonkeypuzzle · 22/04/2021 10:07

Results for us are in. I'm disappointed as dc got a merit but they switched the exam off within an hour and I was so mad (internally!!) as they didn't check anything. Think we will be doing it again anyway as wanted a distinction.
Good experience I suppose.

greenmonkeypuzzle · 22/04/2021 08:30

Thanks. I've been on the edge of my seat everyday now waiting for the results and now it's not there I'm having to start fretting all over again Grin.
Hurry up abrsm!

Comefromaway · 22/04/2021 08:17

Still awaiting MA auditions here. Not heard back from Royal Welsh recall before Easter and not a dicky bird from RAM or RCS. RAM is a late application as they posted on social media they were still accepting applications even though their initial deadline was November and I know those applicants have heard. I suspect it will be a no as dd is too young.