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Music teacher - who is right?

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Grumpyrobots · 14/03/2019 10:29

I am ready to admit it’s my fault as a mother, but would like to have an independent opinion. DC is getting ready for a grade 5 music exam. Exam is in one week, the teacher just discovered that DC does not know all scales and they have not yet played all the pieces through with accompaniment. The teacher told me off for DC lack of knowledge, saying they had to learn the scales of their own accord, that DC is not good with listening to instructions and have not made much progress on their instrument and basically going to get a pass and it’s all our fault because DC is not practicing enough at home (which is not true and they practice a lot, but often not sure what they are doing).

So I guess my question is - do DC learn scales without any instruction from teacher? Is it normal to play the piece through for the first time with accompaniment during the exam (till now only playing small bits of various pieces, never start to end). Is it normal to have a 10 minute one-off introduction to aural part of the exam because they did aural in previous grades and therefore don’t need further instruction? I am not musical and out of my depth so not sure what I should expect really.

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Grumpyrobots · 14/03/2019 11:04

Thank you for your replies! I genuinely not sure if the teacher is in the right or wrong. I asked another teacher (different instrument) and was told that she never teaches her students scales either, it’s something they have to work out for themselves. My older DC had a brilliant teacher who always spent lots of time on scales and they played pieces with accompaniment for months before attempting exams. They got a distinction every single exam they took (skipped a few). Unfortunately we had to move area and this teacher came recommended.

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Totalshambles · 14/03/2019 11:02

I think it depends on the relationship you have with the teacher and the style of their teaching. I made sure the scales were there and I organised some separate aural sessions with a specialist in that. I also always attended the lessons and if the teacher isn’t able to accompany the child I would organize some sessions with whoever is going to be accompanying on the day - well in advance of the exam. Additionally the child should have performed the pieces lots in order to ensure it is fluent and they are confident with it. I don’t know many teachers who would allow a child to take the exam with pieces they hadn’t actually performed to an audience (let alone played through).

I think you need to maybe have a conversation with the teacher re the division of responsibility - so you know what you need to do. And I would pull out of the exam as it’s not fair to the child to go into an exam without knowing scales and pieces inside out. There is always next term and it’s no big deal to wait a few months in the scheme of things.

QuietlyQuaffing · 14/03/2019 10:55

I think you know the answers to all these questions. Of course children are meant to cover the exam material with their teacher. We've not had much aural practice in lessons but the teacher suggests an app we can use. Aural gets more difficult every exam so of course you can't just rely on what you did for G4.

Also if they haven't done scales and aural, have they practised sight reading, and do they know what all the symbols on their pieces mean?

At this stage I would try to bite back your anger and see if you can book another lesson or 2 with the teacher to cover this material, including playing with accompaniment. Sit in on the lesson so you can reinforce what DC is told in practice sessions. Quash any notions of "only a pass" - a pass is a G5 achieved and cause to celebrate. Then find a new teacher and a practice book.

Playing with accompaniment can be difficult to practice if the teacher doesn't play piano, but we've always had one practice with the accompanist (which we've payed them for separately) before the exam.

We have had a teacher who expected DD to learn G1 violin scales without seeing them written down. She didn't really know what a scale was and couldn't remember them from the lesson, so practised them wrong and felt very out of her depth. I was quite cross about that at the time, it really knocked DD's confidence. But this is a whole different level.

Wafflenose · 14/03/2019 10:54

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Wafflenose · 14/03/2019 10:53

That's bad practice. The child should have the scale list and know what's required, but the onus is on the teacher to teach them and test them. I hear some scales in every lesson. Nothing wrong with a pass by the way - that's what most people get! - but if the accompaniment is unfamiliar, I suggest finding a recording of the pieces and listening to it lots NOT - and book a rehearsal with the accompanist. I would be looking for a new teacher too.

Grade 5 aural is very similar to grade 4, so it might be that 10 minutes was fine. There's no 'normal' here but I believe you can also practise the tests online and via an app (which I have never used tbf).

Grumpyrobots · 14/03/2019 10:37

It’s not piano, it’s an instrument that is played with a piano accompaniment.

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Grumpyrobots · 14/03/2019 10:36

They been with this teacher since age 3. DC are of mid-primary age.

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Reallyevilmuffin · 14/03/2019 10:36

Instrument type might help here. Piano I did to 5 and was not considered for the exam until I had done all the scales. Once I was I bought the pieces music and chose 3, but of course this is unaccompanied. I would imagine bit weird if never played accompanied until the exam mind.

SwayingInTime · 14/03/2019 10:33

I think it depends if this is the same teacher they did grades 1-4 with? But not normal in my experience, no.

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