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November Music Thread

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Wafflenose · 30/10/2018 22:09

Welcome to all musicians/ parents of musicians, young and 'mature', beginners and advanced, plus everything in between. This is one of the nicest corners of Mumsnet and the music threads were started for my older daughter towards the beginning of her musical journey, 7 years ago. Everybody on the thread was a beginner once!

I have recently seen "we're not a musical family", "I'm not musical" on here quite a lot, and would like to gently challenge that... perhaps you may not have found the right instrument/ teacher yet, or have no desire to play, but I think that everyone is musical. It's not a special something that is limited to certain individuals, although of course everyone's aptitude and natural ceiling varies. I have had the pleasure of teaching almost 1000 people to read and play music now, ranging in age from 3 to 96 and incorporating a range of additional needs, and I think they all got something positive from their lessons! What our young musicians most need from us - whether we play ourselves or not - is lots of encouragement, time and space to practise, and of course the constant taxi service and financial support we give to their lessons and ensembles!

I have two DDs, Goo The Energy Conserver (flute and piano, lapsed recorder and picc player) who is pretty lazy and complacent at the moment and just wants to enjoy her life, and Rara The Awkward (clarinet, cello, recorder) who tries hard... when it suits her! We have nothing special lined up this term, but possibly piano and clarinet exams for next term. Goo claims she wants to dust off her recorders and theory books to get another couple of Grade 8s before she leaves school. I'll believe that when it happens.

Over to you.

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Trumpetboysmum · 10/11/2018 21:00

Obviously actually earning a living is high on ds’s agenda !!

Trumpetboysmum · 10/11/2018 20:59

Ds is only in year 9 but has now announced he plans to do music history maths and physics a levels Hmm definitely can’t help with the last 2 but I can see that they sort of go together though if you had asked me 6 months ago I would have thought he would go for music history and politics ( or philosophy- philosopher is his second career choice !! Though it might now be something to do with astronomy instead !!)

cantkeepawayforever · 10/11/2018 20:49

BMus, validated by a university - e.g. Leeds College of Music degrees are validated by the University of Hull.

Those are DS's 3 A2s (his school still does 4ASs followed by 3A2s)

Wiifitmama · 10/11/2018 20:46

cantkeepawayforever - thank you for explaining! That confirmed exactly what I thought but wasn't sure about. One last question - do you get a degree from a conservatoire? Or if not, what qualification is it?

By coincidence, ds2 (my very very musical one) is planning to take History, Politics and Music A levels so sounds very similar! We went to a 6th form open day this morning and visited all three of those departments!

cantkeepawayforever · 10/11/2018 20:41

Was the audition (nosebleedboy) for conservatoire? I am interested what the difference is between that and doing music at Uni?

Nosebleed Boy is applying for jazz performance at conservatoires, yes.

For him, the difference is about performance - ie learning to be a performing jazz musician - rather than studying 'music as a subject'. I think if he had been a classical musician, the two are potentially more closely intertwined, but as a jazz musician he wants to 'do jazz' [and possibly in the future teach it] rather than 'learn about music, especially not about all types of music'. He does do music A-level, but that is as far as he wants to take that side of music.

If he does academic university applications - will be post A-levels - he will in fact not apply to study music at all, but instead follow the [equally unlikely to earn him a living] Modern History / Politics.

Trumpetboysmum · 10/11/2018 20:18

Sometimes you just need time ( and a change? ) . Ds wasn’t in a great place a few weeks ago , but a new teacher seems to have rekindled his love of playing. Hope she feels better about it all soon

Wafflenose · 10/11/2018 20:04

Not insensitive at all, and I enjoy it!

Goo hasn't decided to give up or anything. We'll see. A couple of weeks ago she wanted grade 8 recorder, piano and theory to go with the flute! Before Stuff Happened.

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Doubleup · 10/11/2018 19:48

Waffle, would she maybe want to pick up a different instrument like sax that she could explore a different style of music with - and keep learning?

NotAnotherJaffaCake · 10/11/2018 19:17

Thanks for the clarinet advice Waffle and sorry for blundering in - on reading up now I realise that things are a bit tough. Didn’t mean to be insensitive Flowers

Wafflenose · 10/11/2018 19:13

I have asked her if she wants art lessons or plans to do Art GCSE... no and no! She can give up music lessons if she likes, but not to sit on her bum in PJs more than she already does. She can take up another activity and help around the house.

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Knittinganewme · 10/11/2018 19:07

I am sorry Waffle, it must be hard for you knowing what she could do if she wanted. Music will still be there for her later in life, it's not something that is forever denied to you if you give up as a child. She could tootle now and go back to it later, you never know what the future will hold.

Trumpetboysmum · 10/11/2018 18:45

Oh waffle that’s tough . As long as she’s happy that’s the main thing and keeps playing at school then she’s done so well she’s keeping the door open .

Mendingfences · 10/11/2018 18:26

Oh that sounds tough waffle
Good luck to NBB for the next audition.

Things are a little fraught here, dd1 joined dd2 in her bass lesson so they could work on some Christmas duets (which went well), unfortunatly the (slightly less than tolerant) 12 year old decided that it was completely unreasonable that the (quirky) 10 year old spent so much of her lesson chatting to her teacher about barely tangentially related stuff and still manages to make decent progress..... i think im just going to have to ride this one out. Ds is at least peaceful and harmonious but i dont think we should prsctise his Christmas duet eith dd1 until she's feeling a bit more harmonious too.....

Wafflenose · 10/11/2018 18:18

Hi, I am a clarinet teacher. Bb is the usual one, yes. Crazy's DD started at 5 or 6 with all her baby teeth. Hopefully she will be along later. It can be done, but is hard when they are at the no teeth stage. Recorder is a fab idea (I teach that too) and teeth don't matter for that. I know of 3 DCs including 2 on here who started on Ebs. It's definitely unorthodox, because they are so much more difficult to to play, especially perfectly in tune. For 5-6 year olds, I recommend the Lyon's C (no longer manufactured as they have been superseded by the Clarineo, which I don't like) and it weighs about 200 g. I have one, and they sometimes come up on eBay. Most 7 year olds can manage a standard C clarinet and I teach a 7 year old who's bigger than my own 10 year old - he plays a Bb.

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NotAnotherJaffaCake · 10/11/2018 18:10

Delurking to ask advice from people what know about clarinets....

One of my DCs would like to play clarinet but is still small and still has all her baby teeth. We are in no rush; they do Kodaly and might start the piano. Anyway, how does one approach the clarinet when you are small? I take it we have to wait until top teeth are through? Do most people start on the E-flat before moving up to the Bflat? And is a B flat clarinet the normal one you see in an orchestra?

In the meantime I am hoping the music centre where she does Kodaly will start a recorder group, as that seems a good way to get started on wind instruments without waiting for teeth. Thanks in advance:)

MeltingWax · 10/11/2018 17:46

Flowers Flowers

Wafflenose · 10/11/2018 17:44

Yes it is, and yes something else happened. I think if she stops lessons and practising, that will be it... she has been in her room drawing for about 8 hours straight today. That seems to be her big interest at the moment.

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MeltingWax · 10/11/2018 17:43

That sounds hard waffle. Is this still a fallout from last year's NCO audition or has anything else happened? Maybe she just needs to have a break but keep the door open should she want to return?

Wafflenose · 10/11/2018 17:37

I went to university, and remember that they accepted 1 in 9 of applicants for my course at my 1st choice university.

I haven't had much to add lately, except that Goo has had a bit of a disaster so is at a musical crossroads... take it seriously or stop lessons and just tootle around at school in her 7 ensembles. She seems to be veering towards the latter. Not much we can do. One thing is definite... she will be leaving her Centre of Advanced Training soon.

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hertsandessex · 10/11/2018 17:26

Fair point on Guildhall which would bump up the numbers especially for jazz. Not sure if anywhere else major is missing.

hertsandessex · 10/11/2018 17:24

Druidsong - maybe I am reading it wrong or got the wrong table but in in the acceptances table for 2017 I see 25 for jazz drums, 5 for jazz percussion (maybe the vibes players?), 10 for non-jazz drums and 30 for orchestral percussion/timpani. For applications looks like 95 for jazz drums, 20 for jazz percussion, 55 for drums and 115 for orch perc/timps.

LooseAtTheSeams · 10/11/2018 17:02

Just wanted to says congrats and very best of luck for Friday for Nosebleed Boy! I'm sure he'll do well.
It turns out DS2 has been playing a grade 7 cello piece these past weeks rather than a grade 6 as intended! It looks like he's going to skip grade 6 and work on G7 instead but I have pointed out there is no skipping G5 theory! I think someone could be spending his Christmas on practise papers...

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littleladsdad · 10/11/2018 16:42

Thank you for the interesting link knitting - we are a few years away from this but the 1 in 7 stat pointed out by herts should help to keep ds focused.

It's worth noting that The Guildhall School has a bespoke application procedure outside UCAS and so it's numbers don't feature in the stats. Don't know if there are others?

Well done to NBB and good luck for the big one.

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