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Music Specialist School Discussion

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Kutik73 · 10/06/2018 22:58

Sorry, this is rather long…

We’d never considered specialist school route for our musical DS, especially at such a tender age (he is Y6). However, we’ve recently started seeing it could be an option in possibly near future.

The state secondary school DS is supposed to start from September has good reputation with a wide range of extracurricular activities and music is one of their strengths. However, they also hand out heavy amount of academic work daily, and basically keep their pupils pretty busy. Keeping teens busy could be a good thing, especially for those who may get in trouble or glue themselves to screen otherwise. But DS loves music and he likes to immerse himself in music more, but in reality, he’ll have less time for such freedom once he starts secondary school. The additional journey time is another thing. It takes 45 mins to get there, whereas it’s only 5-10 mins currently.

A friend suggested we could see specialist school as a small private school with strong music activities rather than a place where all DCs were aiming to be professional musicians.

Her logic is, the class size is a lot smaller than the state secondary school so pupils get more attention hence learn more efficiently, all the while there is no compromise in music studies. DCs who are keen to keep up academic work on top will manage to get good enough GCSE results for decent sixth form if they decide to pursue other than music for A level/uni. Although sixth form seems the most popular (and sensible) time to join specialist school, KS3 is actually the best time because if DCs change their mind on course, it’s easier for them to return to ‘normal education’ possibly at sixth form with good enough academic record and musical ability strong enough to be a music scholarship material. But if they stay focused on music and in fact decide to take it seriously, starting early will only become beneficial. Though, it depends on circumstance of course, and instrument. DS plays violin/piano for instance - hence early start can be rather important.

However, I heard and read some scary stories about music specialist school while I was researching. Some claimed they felt like they were living in a prison, some expressed unhappiness (even though they recognised the benefit and appreciated their fortunate position), some teachers talked about very able young musicians going to specialist school as a huge mistake, etc…

DS innocently expresses strong desire to go to music specialist school. I, as a parent, wish him happiness more than anything. By accepting his desire and letting him go where he says he likes to go, am I pushing him into a harsh and scarily competitive world unnecessarily? Or, like my friend suggested, it could be a lot more flexible than I may have been thinking and in fact could be good alternative KS3 education for musical and academic DCs?

Any thoughts/knowledge/experience would be greatly appreciated…

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Kutik73 · 21/06/2018 09:53

our son will possibly underachieve by a grade here
Really? I thought you could get the same or possibly better grade at music specialist school as they have less subjects to cover and less juggling business between music and academic commitments. Of course some may do absolute minimum for their academic study if they put all their heart into music already and the school will let them be so unlike normal school. But I thought higher grade is more achievable as they don't need to spread themselves thinly. The main downside on the academic side at specialist school for me is narrower choice of subjects. But this is all my guess, of course!

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hertsandessex · 21/06/2018 09:17

2nd - also quite a few just leave after GCSEs and go to a normal school for 6th form so don't show up in leavers data. We've accepted that our son will possibly underachieve by a grade here and there and will do 8 GCSEs rather than 10-11 but I think he will still have enough to switch if he ever wishes (although that seems extremely unlikely in his case!)

Kutik73 · 21/06/2018 08:59

I understand your DH's concerns. In our case, lack of sports is also another thing.

But there are pros and cons in anything you have to make a choice, and we've concluded that pros weigh more for DS, at least at this moment. It's a bit like choosing a degree at uni. You know the debate whether you should study something you love or a degree that will get you a job. We've decided to let DS follow his heart for maximum enjoyment of school and study life. As long as he works hard for his chosen area he'll find a way to survive somewhere somehow (I hope!).

Friendship in the small class size still concerns me and it could be an unfortunate mix for DS then he wouldn't enjoy the environment. But this could happen at any school and we won't know without trying...

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Kutik73 · 20/06/2018 09:37

2nd, you must be very pleased that you had courage to give her such experience. Lots people just wonder with no action. I took million years just to give them a ring! Are you thinking to go back for full audition in autumn? Or are you still thinking to send your DD to the local secondary with no much music?

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Paulweller11 · 20/06/2018 07:59

That’s great- well done mini 2nd

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Paulweller11 · 19/06/2018 19:55

That’s great 2nd- what year is she in at the minute and what piece did she play Smile

Kutik73 · 19/06/2018 19:48

Aw, thanks LellyM. That's so encouraging. I have no doubt DS enjoys the school life. It's like a chocolate factory for him. My main concern is when DS decides music is not his future career how much support he could get to re-direct his path. Especially for him, I think the chance of changing future plan is great as he is still so young and has many interests (haven't found anything he dislikes doing yet as he enjoys pretty much everything). Your example makes me feel at ease with our decision...

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LellyM · 19/06/2018 17:45

I may be able to help here - I went to a Specialist Music School as a Border from 14 - 18. It was a great experience. I was fully immersed yet when I decided at 17 that I didn't want to go in to music as a career the school helped me and now I am an engineer who plays in various bands as a hobby.

There is a lot to be said for following yr dreams.

L

Kutik73 · 19/06/2018 17:39

Wonderful, mini2nd!! StarStarStar

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Japanese · 19/06/2018 17:37

Really well done to mini 2nd!

Star Star Star

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stringchild · 19/06/2018 16:07

good luck!

Kutik73 · 19/06/2018 14:37

Good luck to mini2nd! StarStarStar

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Trumpetboysmum · 19/06/2018 13:32

How exciting 2nd Smilegood luck to your dd !!

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Trumpetboysmum · 19/06/2018 11:47

Rasberry that's great news !! Glad it went well
Kutik I tried to post this yesterday but it disappeared I think it pretty much sounds like you have come to a conclusion now . For what it's worth I just wanted to say that I fully agree with what Druid said about how far a regular school can be accommodating. This is our experience too - Ds's school are great but ultimately they are about providing that all round education for all children and that does at times lead to ds not having enough time to do everything and being put under undue pressure as all subjects would like him to do quite wellSmile . I think minis time for finding out if music school is right for him is now , Ds wasn't ready at his age and so we wait and see how year 9 works out .....

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Kutik73 · 18/06/2018 23:00

Yes, it's fab. DS also listened to some of them performing at the lunch time concert and was super inspired. He said a little boy like him played a piece at grade 80 standard. Grin

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Paulweller11 · 18/06/2018 22:45

That sounds great Kutik- that’s another advantage - learning from others with different/more experience.

Kutik73 · 18/06/2018 21:52

claraschue Smile

raspberry, thanks for the update. It sounds very positive. Very well done to your DS. Star

Today I spotted DS doing something I'd never seen him doing before while he was practising. I asked him what he was doing and DS said it was intonation exercises he learnt from a boy at the music school. He then started telling me many other things he learnt from other kids. DS also told me about sight-reading challenge he did with a young pianist for fun. Apparently it was impossibly hard and they had a good laugh about it. His eyes were twinkling by all the memories. Sounds like he really had a great time there and kids there were so kind and friendly.

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