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Music Specialist School Discussion

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Kutik73 · 10/06/2018 22:58

Sorry, this is rather long…

We’d never considered specialist school route for our musical DS, especially at such a tender age (he is Y6). However, we’ve recently started seeing it could be an option in possibly near future.

The state secondary school DS is supposed to start from September has good reputation with a wide range of extracurricular activities and music is one of their strengths. However, they also hand out heavy amount of academic work daily, and basically keep their pupils pretty busy. Keeping teens busy could be a good thing, especially for those who may get in trouble or glue themselves to screen otherwise. But DS loves music and he likes to immerse himself in music more, but in reality, he’ll have less time for such freedom once he starts secondary school. The additional journey time is another thing. It takes 45 mins to get there, whereas it’s only 5-10 mins currently.

A friend suggested we could see specialist school as a small private school with strong music activities rather than a place where all DCs were aiming to be professional musicians.

Her logic is, the class size is a lot smaller than the state secondary school so pupils get more attention hence learn more efficiently, all the while there is no compromise in music studies. DCs who are keen to keep up academic work on top will manage to get good enough GCSE results for decent sixth form if they decide to pursue other than music for A level/uni. Although sixth form seems the most popular (and sensible) time to join specialist school, KS3 is actually the best time because if DCs change their mind on course, it’s easier for them to return to ‘normal education’ possibly at sixth form with good enough academic record and musical ability strong enough to be a music scholarship material. But if they stay focused on music and in fact decide to take it seriously, starting early will only become beneficial. Though, it depends on circumstance of course, and instrument. DS plays violin/piano for instance - hence early start can be rather important.

However, I heard and read some scary stories about music specialist school while I was researching. Some claimed they felt like they were living in a prison, some expressed unhappiness (even though they recognised the benefit and appreciated their fortunate position), some teachers talked about very able young musicians going to specialist school as a huge mistake, etc…

DS innocently expresses strong desire to go to music specialist school. I, as a parent, wish him happiness more than anything. By accepting his desire and letting him go where he says he likes to go, am I pushing him into a harsh and scarily competitive world unnecessarily? Or, like my friend suggested, it could be a lot more flexible than I may have been thinking and in fact could be good alternative KS3 education for musical and academic DCs?

Any thoughts/knowledge/experience would be greatly appreciated…

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SwayingInTime · 28/06/2018 16:14

It was definitely thriving at a residential music course that led us to accept DD’s chorister place having decided against it the year before. She just came home from it so sure that that was the life for her!

littleladsdad · 28/06/2018 16:10

DS & I are attending an induction day next week - looking forward to finding out a little more about how things work. I've been finding posts from those of you with DC at specialist schools most useful & illuminating - thanks , in particular, to Gilly. Practical advice and survival tips are very welcome!

Kutik73 · 28/06/2018 14:19

Aw, string... So her suitability point is super high.... Is she still torn between science and music? If so, what's a dilemma...

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stringchild · 28/06/2018 14:15

Kutik - dd often says that she wishes the NCO would set up a school!

Kutik73 · 28/06/2018 14:10

DS hasn't really thought about beyond the school yet. It's still a golden ticket for him - the ticket to be able to go to the school he wants to go. Grin

Also I think it's rather nice that they get the huge over the top applause when they can, especially if it won't be the case once they are grown up! They've got to keep the realistic head of course though, otherwise some may suffer seriously by the gap of the bubble they live and the real world.

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hertsandessex · 28/06/2018 13:37

Yes that is true. The level required to be professional especially with any kind of solo career is phenomenally high (and requires a good dose of luck). Even the BBC Young Musician competition is a bit misleading. We have been to some international competitions and for my son's instrument the level in those competitions is significantly higher than BBC. It's a big wide world out there. That said a great many do make it either as professional performers, composers, singers, etc but it is no golden ticket.

gillybeanz · 28/06/2018 13:14

Kutik.

My dd was the same, she was on cloud nine when she got her letter and "Golden ticket" we even had the Willy Wonka song Grin

As for the different world, dd has been tested for most sn /mh cases that might include being on a different planet, and it's just her.
if you think about it they are constantly being told how marvellous they are. They begin to believe this and it's true for kids, but what they have to remember is there are other kids just as good who don't want to attend these schools. They really aren't that outstanding, this comes when they are practically finished school and ready for college.
Then they start at the bottom again like everyone else.
It's nice when they get the huge over the top applause, but I often think we are setting them up for a shock when they are grown up and the applause is for merit only.

Kutik73 · 28/06/2018 09:22

hertsGrin

By the way.... I presume some regular readers of this thread are interested in or thinking of music specialist school for their DCs, and those DCs may have done something like NCO. The school nurse at the music school DS is going said NCO is a good step to see the suitability of the child for such schools because the life in music school is a bit like NCO's residential course. If the child felt it was too much, then music school wouldn't be for her/him. But if the child didn't get overwhelmed by the demand and amount of work and enjoyed the experience, and in fact wanted to continue or more, that's a good sign of the suitability. Any bell ringing, anyone? Grin

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hertsandessex · 28/06/2018 00:11

Kutik immature and lives in totally different world? If my son if anything to go he will fit in very well :)

Kutik73 · 27/06/2018 23:11

Sometimes I think I might have given people some false image of DS. He loves music, yes. And he is the driver of his musical journey all the way through, yes. But he is not as determined to live for music as some people may think. He doesn't know what he wants in future yet. And quite often he says things that confuse me. As if throwing at me a warning not to take what he says too seriously. To be honest I am not sure how much he is aware of the choice he is making and how much he really is serious about it. He is either very much immature for his age or lives in a totally different world - or maybe both!

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Kutik73 · 27/06/2018 22:48

Pythonesque , thank you for sharing your experience. Your post gave me lots thoughts...

DS and I discovered music specialist school together through his previous violin teacher. He didn't show much interest at first. So I didn't put any effort to hid the existence, and when he had an opportunity to have a brief lesson with one of the teachers at a school I didn't think twice and just took him there happily thinking it would be great experience. I didn't really expect he would fall in love with it so hard!

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Kutik73 · 27/06/2018 22:38

Oooh I wish I was there too, gilly! Flowers to you and a big Star to your DD.

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Paulweller11 · 27/06/2018 22:05

No Mr M said it was the first time xx
She really was fantastic!
Great- see you Tuesday x

gillybeanz · 27/06/2018 21:46

Just ignore me, I was feeling so down and miserable Grin
it's one of the ones I wanted to see.
Thanks Paul I've had lots of parents messaging saying they enjoyed it.
I'm not sure if they've had a singer before, I think she thinks she's Billie Holiday now Grin Although, who'd wish that on their child.
Will see you for the ensembles, I'm looking forward to that, will miss the last concert too, but not so bothered about that one.

Paulweller11 · 27/06/2018 20:33

She was amazing Gilly!!

Trumpetboysmum · 27/06/2018 20:18

Gilly it must be hard but you certainly shouldn't feel rubbish - you have given your dd the most amazing opportunity.
There are times - like tonight - when I would quite like to be redundant !! But I think I too would really miss it - though I wouldn't miss trying to coordinate Ds's diary !! Can't wait till he can do that himself Grin

raspberryrippleicecream · 27/06/2018 17:37

It was me Pythonesque.

I take your point. DS is/was a chorister. He sings on the back row now, getting paid to do it sometimes too. He has also already earned money as a stand in organist at a local church.

I think though it is definitely the submersive atmosphere of music school he wants.

Gilly I'd thought of that too!

Pythonesque · 27/06/2018 15:56

I've just stumbled on this thread and read it right through (procrastination plus!).

Kutik I wish you the very best for the next year, sounds like you have worked really hard to research the choices for your son and make sure you know what is what and why. I remember our journey from "When can I sing in a choir like that?" to sending our eldest to choirschool just before she turned 10; it started with "don't let her discover that girls' choirs exist" ... When they really want something even at an early age there is a lot to be said for following their dreams, within reason. [come to think of it, though, I haven't told my youngest that specialist music schools exist ... but see below we all think he's going to the right place next]

Regarding performance skills - my son has only started to "get it" (for solo instrumental work) in the last couple of years - he's nearly 13. That despite being thoroughly professional as a chorister. At 10 he was still very much making music for himself and had to find out how to apply the discipline necessary to polish stuff properly. He is still pretty diffident about acknowledging an audience.

Choirschool standards - having had two children through two schools, one day, one boarding, I'd say that their instrumental work does tend to take second place to the choir, especially if a day student. My boarder might have got further at home with me "nagging" more, but hard to tell, some of that was a personality issue anyway. Though some of her friends did also do very well, I recall a couple going to Wells and one Eton music scholarship during her time. Academics - well, a certain minimum is looked for at voice trials to ensure they can keep up, different choirschools have different standards I think. (I have heard interesting tales of the process and numbers at the voicetrials my uncle did in the very different world of the late 50s). The fact that most schools are preps working to the common entrance syllabus (or similar) means that they do keep moving and have a higher goal at 13+. Academic achievement being valued and interaction with other like-minded children does a lot too.

I've got two academic children. The eldest was prepped for scholarships mainly by extra work 1-1, which was interesting when her brother's school not much more than half the size runs a separate scholarship class in year 8. Reflects different destinations I guess. For my youngest his "letter from Hogwarts" has come in the form of an academic scholarship to a public school - one of many things that appeals is the mixing of year groups within the scholars' boarding house.

Someone up thread ? raspberry? has an organist child. For organ I would definitely encourage you to check what public schools can offer, as the all-round preparation an organist can potentially get in a school that runs a chapel choir looks to be tremendous. One of the schools my son had auditions for took me aside and discussed building up his confidence as they would need to get him working with the choir ...

Kutik73 · 27/06/2018 14:33

Having said that I would feel the same even if he went to a local secondary school as ferrying him around would be much reduced once he leaves primary school. But I would still have fair amount of duties of helping him organise his days and weeks. But from September I don't even need to nag at him to finish off his homework as it'll be done at school.... Feel weird.

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Kutik73 · 27/06/2018 14:29

That's one of many things I am feeling a bit sad about, gilly. All the beautiful journeys we shared together - the journeys I wouldn't have been able to experience without DS's commitments and interests. I am not talking about only music but all the things he has been doing for all those years and my ferrying, juggling, panicking, worrying, crying and laughing, all will be soon a thing of the past... He will still needs me of course, but my duties will be much lighter and in fact they will be taken away more than I wish. I was thinking this yesterday as one of his activities needed to be renewed for the next term but then I realised I wouldn't need to renew it any more.

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gillybeanz · 27/06/2018 13:42

hello Kutik, Raspberry and others.

I'm feeling like a rubbish mum today as had to miss dd big band concert last night and was a biggie for her.
You have to get used to taking a back seat and where you used to be able to attend all concerts, ferrying them around and perhaps a close relationship with teachers, forget it. Grin
I'm practically redundant now, and miss all the times i was involved.
I'm getting to see one on Tuesday though, but not the same as it was.
My dh got a sound recording, not visual though. I would have loved to see it.
Just another side to it, I hadn't considered really, you sort of sign them away.

Kutik73 · 26/06/2018 09:37

raspberry, ok it's much more formal than I thought! But written report would be very much preferable than just verbal feedback on spot. Hope you hear very soon.

herts, well, DS does Lang Lang expression when he plays Alla Turca on the piano - not in a polished way but rather a comedian mode though... He wouldn't do that on real stage!

DS's jd does a bit of 'presentation talk' every now and again but none of kids at his age range seem to get it yet. Even older ones are not as polished as those I saw at the music school. But then I haven't seen all of them so can't really give fair judgment.

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Trumpetboysmum · 26/06/2018 06:19

Rasberry Smile I'll keep my fingers crossed you here soon and it's positive
Herts Grin

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