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Swimming lesson gripes

37 replies

Lollipop30 · 23/05/2018 23:36

I’m going to start teaching swimming and I would like to know all your biggest gripes with swimming lessons and what you’d change given the chance.
Here is a list of what I’d like to offer, please feel free to pick it apart (it is based only on my personal experience as a parent).

  • Fully qualified, insured and DBS checked
  • No more than 4 per class
  • At least one Award achieved within 12months. (Be that Stage, Distance or Skill)
  • Ability based not Age
  • Games based learning but structured
  • Half termly progress report. (To include skills achieved, working on and need progress)
  • Available messenger system for any enquiries.
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Lollipop30 · 27/05/2018 13:10

Thanks both, really helpful.

@curlyfrizzball - your experience sounds much the same as my own so definitely intend to use those points.
@agent13 - would it put you off just being in term time? Mine will currently be just term time due to the actual venues

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Agent13 · 27/05/2018 08:45

My 5 yr old is doing lessons on a Saturday and I really like the fact that this particular school don’t close for school holidays (unless it’s Christmas Day of course), they just run right through. Also we pay monthly rather than having to commit to a term at a time. It really suits us anyway.

Curlyfrizzball · 27/05/2018 08:37

We are in about our 7th different swimming school for DD - we have moved several times because of timings or because she isn't making progress. Usually the progress stops when the classes become huge - maximum of 4 sounds brilliant).

Apart from the 1:1 lessons (which were brilliant but we couldn't afford to keep them up) we have never really had any opportunity to actually talk to the teacher or get any kind of feedback, verbal or written. I know they are super busy but just a quick "she's doing well but just needs to work on her arms a bit more" or whatever, once a month would be helpful. She is now 8 so is able to understand and relay what has been said to her more but when she was younger she couldn't do that.

One school gave awards every term but just said level 2 or whatever and you had no idea what they had done to get that award. I suspected they gave them out as a matter of course whether they achieved them or not which made the whole thing meaningless. I do agree with the idea of at least one a year though as long as it is for something the child can actually do.

The other thing is actually teaching. She has had several teachers who just got the kids to take turns swimming up and down but didn't actually show them or tell them what to do. Some children make progress just with practise but unco-ordinated kid says like my DD need to actually be shown every step. Her current teacher is very good- will actually take her arm and show her what to do with it etc.

Lollipop30 · 25/05/2018 10:51

Brill thankyou all helpful 😁

Using one spa and one private so that’s definitely relevant thanks

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Madcats · 25/05/2018 09:22

Just popping back to say that of course DC need to have passed whatever it was for each stage/badge to get the certificate. I think it was at around stage 4 - 6 that some children plateaued/struggled to progress whereas others continued to whizz through.

We used to get a "tick-list" report for each ASA stage "working on"/"can do consistently" even if the child didn't pass the stage.

Are you using a private pool OP? If so, you might want to have a policy on changing rooms if they are communal. How long can Dads take their DDs in the boys changing rooms/ Mums their DSs in girls.

Lollipop30 · 24/05/2018 18:02

@sirfredfredgeorge
The idea wouldn’t be to ever give an award that wasn’t achieved.

So for example as they work through the stages perhaps they get stuck on one stage for longer than 12months, the idea would then to be to award other aspects so they don’t become despondent.
Eg During stage3 they must swim 10m, however if they are struggling with another aspect they could achieve 10m distance in the meantime.

At least one award per 12months is not my concept but one recommended by SwimEngland.

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sirfredfredgeorge · 24/05/2018 16:38

- At least one Award achieved within 12months. (Be that Stage, Distance or Skill)

No way, completely the wrong idea, any suggestion that awards are anything but achievement based completely ruins the whole point of awards and would completely rule out the swim school.

It would be impossible to know if you'd given awards when they weren't really achieved, or you held back the awards to match the expected cadence.

Mind you, distance awards themselves seem like pretty silly things to me anyway, and I'm glad DD's doesn't give them.

Lollipop30 · 24/05/2018 16:32

@blueuggs Noted 👍 cheers

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BlueUggs · 24/05/2018 16:25

Sorry on time!

BlueUggs · 24/05/2018 16:25

Start on time and finish on tile.

Lollipop30 · 24/05/2018 16:18

Thanks @madcats that’s really helpful.
Would you say awards termly then no matter how small?
Also I intend to do 4:1 classes with myself in the water as well as physically coaching on the side.

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Madcats · 24/05/2018 14:25

DD had swimming lessons from about 4-8 (and a spell of baby swimming). Swimming definitely has to be fun. DD's teacher seemed to come armed with inflatables and big floating mats for the last session of term so the children could just have fun. Intensive courses (so five sessions in a week) during holidays are also popular round here.

My biggest gripe would have been a combination of one or more of dirty/wet/cold changing rooms.

When the children were little (so feet couldn't touch the ground) I was also concerned about teacher to pupil ratios and having a lifeguard/helper/parents observing on side was a must for me (even if it is just one parent promising not to be engrossed in a book/phone as a rota).

I think a lot of schools have a system of "a badge/certificate per term" (three terms/year). If the children weren't ready to progress a stage they at least got a badge for distance in a particular stroke (even if it was just 10 metres), DD seemed to like that.

Another observation is/was that most children are pretty hopeless at translating instructions into technique when they are little. The number of times we watched children bobbing about in their own daydreams whilst the teacher thought they were explaining something (still happens at swim squad sometimes)! We asked the teacher to get DD out of the pool and move her arms/head/legs so that she understood what was required.

We had a variety of lessons starting with groups of 6-8 (but invariably a couple would be at parties/unwell), shrinking to 2 or 3 as well as some pricey private lessons where the instructor walked behind the pupil adjusting technique or ducked under water to watch a length/width. The latter were by far the most beneficial.

Good luck OP. It is such a useful life skill.