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4/4 Violin hunting

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Kutik73 · 12/02/2018 17:41

We've started hunting for a 4/4 violin for DS. We have visited two luthiers so far and each let us take one home. We can keep one for a week and another for two weeks.

DS likes one in particular and it costs £5500 for the violin alone. I know the price is not always mirrored to the quality of the sounds. It only makes difficult to judge as I don't play any instrument. So I did a bit of research and accidentally found the same violin being sold back in October for £1200-1800. It's auctioned so the exact selling price was not displayed. Looking at the photo, it has the same marks and scars so it's definitely the same violin we have here.

I can see the bridge, chin rest, and tuners has been replaced. But the selling notes stated the condition as excellent so I assume major work wasn't required by the luthier. But I don't know.

Surely luthiers have to make money so I understand it's common practice for them to buy something cheaper and add some work and sell at a higher price. But more than doubling the bought price sound quite a lot, especially it seemed to be in great conditions already.

Should I be careful or can I trust the luthier? I hope he is not pricing unnecessarily high... Any input/advice/sharing experiences would be greatly appreciated!

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GrannyHaddock · 11/05/2018 15:05

Yes, absolutely. Cellos are out, leaning in corners. I think they are actually safer like that as moving them in and out of cases in a restricted space puts them in danger of getting bumped. A violin out of its case is quite vulnerable. I suppose you could hang it up by the scroll like the violin shops but it is much better put away.

Kutik73 · 11/05/2018 14:58

We usually leave it on the piano, covered with a little cloth to avoid any dust goes in through the f holes. Is it a no-no?? Should it be in a case always, even at home??

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Kutik73 · 11/05/2018 14:55

Guys, do you keep your violin in a case at home??

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GrannyHaddock · 11/05/2018 14:50

If you're looking at cases with latches just check that there are no sharp bits that project into the other part of the lock. The violin will be passing these every time it is used, or the lid may fall just as you are taking the instrument out. This has happened to me! Zippers are more varnish friendly, and I find they can last longer than catches. Rucksack straps are a great idea, but a comfortable handle is still important. If you are concerned about a violin drying up in central heating etc, you could use a Dampit. We never use the radiator in the room with the instruments, but of course it is affected by the rest of the house being heated. It goes without saying that we never leave a violin or cello near a radiator, or in a very hot or very cold car for more than the time it takes us to load up and drive off.

Kutik73 · 11/05/2018 12:19

disorganised, we are very happy with the case. We also like the locking system. No one can open other us! Grin It gives us peace of mind as it will be left on a rack in a corridor at school where anyone can access. I think Prada bought Gewa Bio for her DD. You may ask her for her review on the case? As long as I can remember, her DD was super happy with it.

Oblong cases were out of choice for travelling reason (flight).

I didn't think of cleaning neither, BUT I did think of sticking stickers and that's another reason why it HAD TO be a hard case. Grin

NeverEver, black is cool. Black would be totally fine if I wasn't obsessed with sunlight issues. Grin If I had let DS choose it would have been gold or silver... He loves bling bling. He shouldn't be a musician if he wants to own lots of bling bling...

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disorganisedmummy · 11/05/2018 11:15

Lol Neverever. In ds's head,the only colour to have is blue which will be a bit problematic as the Gewa Bio don't do a blue one!!

NeverEverAnythingEver · 11/05/2018 11:06

Cleaning! Shock

That has never occurred to me... Grin

As for colour, my DC have LOTS of opinion about colour. Mainly that it should be black...

disorganisedmummy · 11/05/2018 10:51

I've been looking at cases too as we will be going shopping for a full size soon.Ds has a Tom and Will one for his 3/4 which is perfect except it has zips all the way round which he hates for some reason. He wants latches/clips. I've looked online at the Gewa air which ds loves but it's so expensive. I like the look of the Gewa Bio too but the colours are a bit odd and not sure how easy it is to clean. Does anyone have experience of these?
Kutik how is Minikutik getting on with his new violin and case?

Kutik73 · 11/05/2018 10:43

We saw a really nice oblong case under £100. I saw it at Old Violin Shop and also at Matthew Coltman. I have the rain cover from the same maker so I'll check the name later. So yes, don't need to spend £££ for daily use. We travel a lot. For instance we are outside of uk for the whole summer usually. We really needed something more than daily school use.

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Kutik73 · 11/05/2018 10:35

I thought about getting hygrometer just because it seemed to be recommended. But in the end I concluded no point. I've got one at home though. I just keep it next to where we keep the violin. Sometimes it shows too dry but never too wet. I may put a glass of water if I'm concerned but I don't think we live in an extreme weather condition anyway!

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GrannyHaddock · 11/05/2018 10:33

Honestly, you don't need a Rolls-Royce violin case unless you are constantly travelling, and possess an Old Master instrument. For most normal purposes something humbler will be enough. It can be difficult to squash a shoulder rest into a shaped case, depending on the brand and whether the feet fold in. Sometimes the rest needs to go into an outside pocket. An oblong case is far roomier. You could get a perfectly adequate case for around £100.

Kutik73 · 11/05/2018 10:29

I always thought I would get a hard case for a full size for some reason. But you are right, most of modern cases should be fine. I see more soft cases at nco and more hard cases at jd. So it really is personal choice. One negative thing of our hard case for me is it doesn't have outer pockets which are quite useful for slipping little things or even music.

I was considering BAM or Gewa. But I read quite a few negative reviews for BAM, not soft cases but hard cases. They are of course good cases but some people seem to think it doesn't live up to the high price. Gewa is slightly cheaper, I think.

Another thing I cared about was the colour. I didn't want to have anything dark. In fact I only wanted white due to the reflective power of the sunlight. I'm quite nerdy when it comes to choosing items... But I really think it will make a difference on a sunny day. Obviously you won't leave the case in direct sunlight. But DS would walk to a bus stop or school carrying it on his bag... You can even buy a outer coat for winter. Grin

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NeverEverAnythingEver · 11/05/2018 09:31

And seriously, do we really need a hygrometer? What would you do if it's too humid? Migrate?

NeverEverAnythingEver · 11/05/2018 09:30

I imagine most modern cases would be reasonable at cushioning the violin? Are there brands one should avoid, do you know?

NeverEverAnythingEver · 11/05/2018 09:29

I haven't really any idea Kutik! Just something that will keep the bloody thing safe on the way to and from school. Grin

Kutik73 · 11/05/2018 09:24

Which maker are you looking at?

I was prepared to invest in a good case - I thought quality violin would deserve well protection! I didn't want to buy a soft case, for instance. But many quality hard cases were £500+... It's as if buying him a designer bag!! So I felt no way... In the end I picked Gewa Air. It was £300+ so still expensive but acceptable for my sense. We get lots of compliments and even the teacher really liked it (she uses BAM). We are happy with our choice. It's light, compact and strong.

However, my dream case would be Musafia. Their standard cases are too heavy but they do make lighter and more compact models which would suite our needs. Maybe one day!

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NeverEverAnythingEver · 11/05/2018 08:06

Kutik Did you have to buy a case for the violin too? (Have just looked and am a bit amused/terrified at cases costing £700...)

Kutik73 · 10/05/2018 09:57

Good luck, not God luck...

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Kutik73 · 10/05/2018 09:56

Yesterday DS took the violin to school because he had to play something. Normally children leave their violins in the room where the violin teacher uses for lessons, so no one will touch it and safe. However, yesterday was organised by school, not by the violin teacher, and he was not in so no safe lesson room was available! DS asked if he could leave it in the office which was accepted. Came back home with arms and legs (well not literally!). Phew!!

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Kutik73 · 10/05/2018 09:50

NeverEver, we kept violins in the living room because that's where DS normally practises. Every time we had DS's friends came around I had to move all of them to our bedroom. At some points we had more than 4 and DH was joking that we became a dealer. Grin

se22, thanks for the update. Hope the teacher approves your choice. God luck! StarSmile

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se22mother · 10/05/2018 09:18

Kutik to update you the luthier we spoke of is fine for us to keep the violin for a couple of weeks. Thanks again for the amazing thread

NeverEverAnythingEver · 10/05/2018 08:15

At one point we had 4 violins in the house, only one of which (the cheapest) was ours. It's a bit scary, especially since you couldn't walk about without tripping over one. Grin

Kutik73 · 10/05/2018 04:52

Martin Swan

I contacted him after a kind poster recommended. I rang him and the meeting was set pretty quickly even though he lived far away from London. He seems to have recently moved to Somerset but when we met he was still up North, I think. He has lots business in London so he comes quite frequently.

As you can see from his website, he has new and old violins. At the time, I'd just started looking for more reasonable options, so I was only interested in his new violins (he's got lots of old violins which are a lot more expensive). There are several models for the new ranges. After brief explanation about our situation on the phone, he brought me one of his Artist Violins. However he was adamant DS may not be satisfied by that. His new violins are great for learners, even for very serious ones. Because he pays great deal of attention to producing the balanced and responsive sound which is very important yet surprisingly quite hard to find. The reason why he thought it may not be for DS was because he felt DS may have already developed his own taste for colours and characters, and his new violins may appear to lack strong individuality/characters, which are actually good selling points of those violins though.

Martin came across very honest and open. No frills nor ribbons, just talks things pin-point, which I liked. He gave me lots of advice from his experience.

DS did liked the clear, pure and somehow sweet sound. He also found it easy to play. It projected very well too. But he felt it lacking richness for his taste. It's really only his view and I am sure many people find Martin's violins perfect.

Shockingly, I still have his violin.... I contacted him several times and he knows we decided not to take it so need to return. But somehow the arrangement hasn't been made yet... In fact, writing the review reminded me I've got to contact him again. It's scary to keep the several thousands pound in our home...

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Kutik73 · 09/05/2018 13:28

luch? luck!!!

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Kutik73 · 09/05/2018 13:27

Thanks for the update, MidLife. Your journey with auction items are truly fascinating. I don't know anyone around me who took in such a challenge!! Your DH should start a thread one day. Grin I am serious though. It would be very much educational. Good luch with the hunting and please let us know when you finally find 'it'. Smile

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