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Guiders Staff Room Part 3

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Groovee · 08/11/2016 17:51

Reconvening over here ladies.

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Groovee · 05/05/2017 14:27

I'm not a guide leader but our guides which run after brownies are always doing a variety of things. A lot of the time the girls organise the nights themselves. Dd learned a lot of independence at guides which was good for her.

All units do run differently. Can she have a visit to guides prior to deciding?

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UnderneaththeArchers · 05/05/2017 14:24

Am I allowed to ask a question? Not sure if this is allowed as a parent. I just wondered if you could tell me how different Guides is to Brownies? DD needs to decide soon whether to carry on. Her experience of Brownies has been 80% craft - and she has been happy with that, it's not a criticism. But, no camping, no 'thinking about others'/helping others in any sense, no working as groups etc. I'm concerned it might all come as a shock?!

BiddyPop · 05/05/2017 14:20

Oh, and I have a reasonable response from parents for the parents roster for helping with boating - about 1/3 have responded positively, 2 have given a specific day they can do it, a handful have given a range of days they are available and another handful have said slot them in anywhere (and a lot of the latter 2 groups have said they'd do more than 1). So I should have most weeks covered.

Although I am disappointed with some families - 1 giving 1 day has other responsibilities at home and already does our food shopping and cooking for residentials, and another is doing a reasonably large admin job organizing the whole Group social event for parents coming up so I am happy to excuse her. 3 parents are already leaders (and I know that at least 1 of the spouses will pitch in at least once, probably all 3 if they're needed). But there are 9 cubs whose families haven't responded at all (possibly 6/7 families).

BiddyPop · 05/05/2017 14:10

Grin Grin Poor Snowy Owl!! Grin Grin

I have entered our Cubs into a World Record attempt for the wearing of lifejackets (its' a US thing but coincides with our first day of boating). Sent info to other leaders earlier, to talk about over "Leader's Dinner" tonight, mostly to let them know and ponder if we wanted the other troupes in the group (1 other cub troupe and 2 scout troupes) to get involved.

1 Leader suggested wearing our lifejackets for dinner. I wonder how swimmingly he thinks we are going to be, or how far under the table we are going to be drinking! Especially given we have a Cub meeting in the morning......Shock!

Groovee · 03/05/2017 22:38

So Snowy Owl turns up at Brownies and produces Fairy Gardens from the GG Scotland Rise to the Challenge Badge. Sleepy Owl asks Snowy Owl what's on the planner for a fortnights time. Snowy Owl Opens the planner and hesitantly says "Erm Fairy Gardens" 🙈😱

Turns out we were meant to be Den making and baking. My head is so not in the game just now!

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SquirrelWatcher · 02/05/2017 21:24

Haven't posted on here for a while, thought I'd share how good Brownies and Guides were tonight - 27 Girls at Brownies, and our newish unit helper running a great evening on healthy heart badge, 23 girls at Guides sorting out new patrol names and patrol activities for next week, and a 2 year and 3 year challenge badge awarded at Guides. They really made my day today, makes up for all the emails and admin!

RueDeWakening · 28/04/2017 10:27

ILooked I only had to cancel one meeting at the door without notice before the parent rota got it's act together... :o

Harsh but fair.

RiaOverTheRainbow · 28/04/2017 00:22

I think that would be entirely reasonable ILooked. I'm leaning heavily on low-prep activities this term as I was getting burnt out, and ungrateful parents make it 10 times worse.

ILookedintheWater · 28/04/2017 00:06

My waiting list is longer than the size of my pack. Heard tonight from one of the girls that X isn't coning back. I generally take in at the beginning of each term: now 2 weeks in and have done half an interest badge. Why don't they have the good manners to say in advance? grrrr
Also had one of the Mums whose daughter started at Christmas having a (thankfully not too vociferous) moan that the forms and list for the big camp in June went out before her daughter joined. The flipping camp is full...what does she want me to do? Her precious (and actually lovely) daughter has been one a brownie holiday and will be offered a unit camp in July. The more you offer the more they expect. The girls are amazing but the current parents soooo tiring!
I'm losing my best unit helper in July and am tired of being on my own. I'm the only leader (2 unit helpers: one of whom is intermittent, the other leaving in July) with a unit of 30 Brownies and a parent rota which cannot be relied upon as there are maybe 5 parents who bowl up and the rest just don't show even if I put them on the list....I end up calling my DH to make up numbers if we are out and about and the ratios aren't covered....and I'm nearly 2 years behind on accounts (boxes of receipts but nothing written down except the stand alone residentials). Realistically I am broken and can't go on like this. 4 residentials, 8 interest badges and the programme fulfilled this year, but I do feel the need to stop. Tired. Just tired. Would it be awful if I sent out ads and parent letter saying that unless I get 2 people willing to do LQ next year I'll stop at Christmas? I love it but know it's too much.

RiaOverTheRainbow · 27/04/2017 19:39

Cornflour, water and glitter went down a treat tonight, and my fantabulous helpers did the clean up Grin

BiddyPop · 25/04/2017 09:55

Making wear it fun. Not wearing it is not an option (legally or as a rule for our insurance), and why we wear it is also made pretty clear. But if it can be less of a "aww, do we have to?" and a bit more of a laugh at the start of the season about them, they might be more accepted. Hmm, trying them on - maybe if I bring them to a den session and do something like a relay race in patrols putting it on, run to the end and back, take it off and pass it back to the next....assuming we have even numbers in the patrols...always a challenge

We changed from weekly in Sept, which sort of worked, and pushed it in January which was a 100% success, for once a term collection. (We think apart from a few who forgot pretty often or parents didn't have change and gave every few weeks, there were a few Cubs pocketing the money as well! Names on the outside of envelopes (with either full subs or reduced, as required by the family) meant it was easy enough to collect and tally - we do the names outside envelopes and fees inside for camp fees on arrival anyway so parents were used to that.

My accounting woes are more trying to get the other leaders to let me know how much of the older €2/week collections they each have, and get an idea of our overall position. We have plenty but I don't know if I can reduce this terms' subs, if we have enough to plan a biggish outing in autumn once boating is over (entrance fees), keep camp fees lower, get some craft materials for rainy days, or just keep ticking over. Group will give us money if we need it, but as we collect subs, we really shouldn't.

InflagranteDelicto · 24/04/2017 23:40

Make wear it fun, or make why we wear it clear? Ds sails and a basic club rule is kids don't go past the fence onto the jetty without. So maybe a what would happen? With my unit I'd get them to role play, design a buoyancy aid, and get them trying them on.

For subs collection I have a basic printout with names, then 3 blank columns, perfect for making a note of name, and cash/cheque. Can you get the parents to switch to bank transfer or standing order?

BiddyPop · 24/04/2017 16:51

Ilookedinthewater yup, that's the moment!

Becles sunny thoughts on the way (what weekend?)

MillyMollyMandy (or have it missed the literary reference from my youth?!) was it sanctioned or unsanctioned rubbish? We include a note on kit lists to say we'll have plenty of food, not to bring anything but a MAX of 1 sharing bag of sweets if really wanted (we also have to limit types due to allergies - or potentially bankrupt one leader (also a dad to the worst sufferer) in exchanging for non-threatening versions!). They still manage to find a vending machine or tuckshop somewhere almost inevitably, but there's a max of €5 spending money also mentioned in the kit list and the limitations on spending it...and some would like to buy the badge of the campsite when on official ones.

Inflagrento sounds good that all worked out on accounts. I am in the throes of trying to get my Troupe to have any sort of accounts - the wider Group has decent ones (and an actual banker as treasurer which helps) but as we collect weekly/term subs as well, I need our own and my guys are not so hot on paperwork...I have a basic excel sheet to try and get it started.

Today, I am finding ideas for a session on water safety before we start boating in a few weeks. Any ideas for making "how to wear a life jacket" fun, send them on a postcard please!

MillicentMargaretAmanda · 22/04/2017 22:16

We saw the amount of rubbish our Brownies brought with us this weekend and promptly confiscated it all and let them have a bit at intervals. If we'd let them have a midnight feast they would have been throwing it all back up at 2am!

Becles · 22/04/2017 20:41

I'm going to ask you to think lovely thoughts of sunshine for while we are away. No wet tents!

ILookedintheWater · 21/04/2017 14:00

@Becles You camp with Brownies because that mug of tea; the one that you drink at 11pm sitting on a chair in the middle of a field as the last streaks of the sun disappear behind the trees, listening as the soft whispers and crackles of 'forbidden' midnight feasts turn into the soft snores of slumbering Brownies: is the best cuppa of the whole year.

BiddyPop · 21/04/2017 08:26

And Brownies will think that you are amazing to be able to set up and run a camp!😂

Hero worship at its best!

InflagranteDelicto · 20/04/2017 21:02

What they^ said! They'll love it!

Accounts all ready to hand over- and my printer behaved!

CrystalQueen · 20/04/2017 15:32

Because Brownies are nicer than stroppy teenage guides and will be less upset about the lack of hair straighteners! They will have an amazing time at their first ever camp.

BiddyPop · 20/04/2017 11:24

OOps. I meant to do bold, not italics there...

BiddyPop · 20/04/2017 11:23

Because Brownies are all fascinated by nature, and love to wake up to birdsong at stupid o'clock in the morning - but the good news is that there is NO GUILT in the large bottle of wine to be drunk on your return! Grin

They will learn the skills in putting up a tent, and importance of tightening guy ropes to not have it fall on top of them at midnight...

They will get wet and muddy and grin all the time....

You will feel better for all that fresh air - and they will sleep better!

Does any of that help Becles?!

MillicentMargaretAmanda · 20/04/2017 11:05

I have no idea @becles!! I'm taking mine to PGL this weekend and I that's plenty for me!!

Becles · 20/04/2017 10:24

Sent out the kit list for our camp next month. I need someone to remind me why am I taking Brownies under canvas?

Imfinehowareyou · 19/04/2017 21:50

Haven't posted for ages but hurrah, simply printed my accounts off this year. Last year spent HOURS and HOURS trying to sort put the muddle I'd inherited and finally put in my own cash just to make it balance. Feel so relieved that I didn't have to do that again.

RueDeWakening · 19/04/2017 21:31

Shock had an email 2 whole days before our meeting to tell me one of my Rainbows isn't coming back Shock I've given her the Brownie details in case, as she's not long turned 7.

It was a lovely email too, thanking me and telling me how much she'd enjoyed it.

Now, if only the rest of the parents would take note... Grin

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