Beavers/Scouts

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Op, there is nothing wrong with following your instincts, seriously.

If you're worried then you're worried. No-one has the right to dismiss you as paranoid without knowing any reasons for your instincts.

My advice would be to volunteer to help out at the overnights so your child can still go & you don't have to worry!

And just because so someone has no record doesn't mean they are no risk.

Fully agree with all the posts outlining the CRB checks and extra training for nights away undergone by the volunteers at beavers etc. And that OP's attitude suggests she/he may wish to reconsider whether she and her DC are suited to participating in Beavers.

When it comes to camps etc, they have to do extra training before they are in charge of a camp. Then no adult will sleep in the same tent/room as a child but will be nearby incase needed in an emergency.

If you don't want your child to go then don't send them. And please remember in Scouting and Guiding "staff" are unpaid volunteers.

Exactly, exoticfruits.

sorry exoticfruits I think I must of looked back at the OP and got staff stuck in my head, sad thing is my parents are both scout/guide leaders and have been all my life so i really should know better!

They are not staff!
I also think there is something a bit off about thinking I am OK for cheap child care but you don't actually trust me off the usual premises.

noname, the staff who have been there a long time wouldn't still be there if there was even a slight suspicion that they had done anything even slightly inappropriate, the scout movement are really careful on it (as are the Guides). If you are worried about the camps either don't send your child or talk to the leaders about volunteering as a helper.

Thanks - will do

Notice OP did not come back

' I have no specific concerns, just following my instincts..'

This just sounded like such an odd 'Felt it in me water' sort of phrase. What instincts? To be suspicious of everyone? To feel that an enhanced CRB will ensure your child's safety?
It won't. It just means those that pass haven't been caught doing anything wrong.
Best protection is a strong safeguarding policy that is used.

Oh dear.

::dons tin foil hat::

I am well aware that there have in the past been Scout leaders who have committed appalling offences against children. (And possibly there have been Guide leaders who have committed similar offences, I just can't bring any instances to mind). But I do think there's a world of difference between being aware that a tiny number of people have volunteered with Scouting for malevolent reasons and assuming (or having an instinct) that this is why people volunteer.

Simpson - Just send a sincere thank you message to the leaders, telling them what being a Beaver has meant for your son. That will be worth more than any pot plant.

at "staff". DH volunteers as an assistant scout leader on top of his 60 hour working week; the leaders are all trained and CRB checked but they aren't paid!

'Now, I deliberately hadn't used the word paranoid ...'

I could hear you thinking it. Loudly. Oh yes I could.

I am feeling bad today as DS had his last beavers evening yesterday (of the school year and his ever as he will move to cubs in Sept) and I forgot to get a thank you present

Now, I deliberately hadn't used the word paranoid ...

As someone has pointed out they are not staff, they are unpaid volunteers and it isn't surprising that they find it difficult to recruit leaders when you get attitudes like OP.
I was a Beaver Leader and of course I was CRB checked, as are all leaders. There are also strict rules about giving lifts, trips to the toilet- about anything you care to name.
It does make we wonder why I left my own family to do fun things when cynical people want to question my motives.
Become a leader in the Scouts, OP , and then you will find out about screening, training etc. Put something back into the community rather than question those who do give their time and effort.
CRB checks have to be up to date.

A word of advice if you do decide to let your child join - on no account call the volunteer leaders 'staff' and be sure to thank them when they do do the extras - like use some of their precious holidays for camps.

The other thing that helps paranoid parents is if there are clear protocols about how certain events are handled. The leaders and helpers should have gone through a short safeguarding talk, more for their own protection than any worry that they are predators in the pack.
Things like helping with injuries that involve clothing removal, the occasional 'accident' now to deal with things either in clear view or with another adult as witness.
If you used to work in CP OP, I'm surprised that you don't know what is required, or that you don't have more formal routes for checking than a post on MN.

DS does beavers and all the volunteers are CRB checked.

They are also only allowed to have a certain number of kids due to child/adult ratio and also due to the size of the hut.

I am a Brownie leader.

noname - If you are so cynical (your word, not mine) you may need to reflect on whether you are happy for your child to join Scouting or any other volunteer-led organisation.

What was the offence, Harriet?
Because it's not unusual for Scout leaders or teachers even to have something on their criminal record. After all, 30% of adults of working age have a criminal record. But the offence is supposed to be relevant to child protection now.

All Scout leaders and helpers are DBS checked, as is anyone who works or volunteers with children or vulnerable adults on a frequent or regular basis unsupervised. By law. DBS is the "new" CRB. I went on Cub Camp as a parent helper last month and had to be cleared, despite having 2 existing checks from other organisations.

There is no need to "renew" a DBS check: if a person is arrested for any crime which might present a risk to children or vulnerable adults, the first thing the Police do is to find out if they have ever been DBS/CRB checked and then contact the organisation that did it to inform them that the arrested person should not be allowed to continue in that role pending the outcome of their investigations. Organisations act on that information with astonishing rapidity. I know of a Scouts helper who was arrested for an offence at 11pm, bailed to return home later that night, and received a notice to leave the pack at 6am, hand delivered by bike courier from 30 miles away.

OP, your average scout/cub/beaver troop/pack/colony is completely clued up on child protection stuff. I was claiming ignorance at the top of the thread but actually I do know that this is the case. All leaders attending the camp will have CRB clearance. There will be at least one leader with the Scout Association qualification to take the group away.

What are your specific concerns??

Have now found Scouts' leaflet aimed at parents ... hope that this reassures you OP