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If your dc play or played more than 2 instruments, could you talk to me please?

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ZZZenAgain · 07/09/2012 11:04

Atm my dd plays violin and piano. She practises a great deal and is involved in two orchestras, both of which are also, I feel, quite demanding in level so these pieces also require practice time. Now she has asked if she could try a third instrument which she would want to play alongside the other two. It is also a string instrument. I feel this is unrealistic in terms of time and effort on her part and I don't really see how we could fit in it very well. She also plays tennis, swims and has another sport on Saturday mornings. I would not like her to drop sport for a third instrument really. I think a balance is a good thing.

Does anyone have dc who play more than 2 intruments, if so, could you tell me how it works out for you/your dc?

She is 11

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3littlefrogs · 30/09/2012 21:44

Dd plays 3 instruments. Also does a very demanding sport plus other activities.

We have eased up on the music exams so that she is only doing grade exams on one instrument. The other two she plays for pleasure. She is in the school orchestra, a school band, and has her own band.

I have let her set her own pace and she knows she can choose to have a rest from an activity if she needs to. She is doing GCSE music, and TBH, her instruments are a form of relaxation for her. Maybe let your dd have a go, but make it a condition that if she finds it too much, she has a break for a while.

ZZZenAgain · 30/09/2012 21:35

Hi, sorry I didn't see your post before, the thread had slipped off my active list. Your dd certainly sounds as if she can manage to juggle everything.

What I am wondering atm is if it would't be a good idea to learn an instrument that would get her into different ensembles from the violin. Afater all you can only play either violin or viola in the same string ensemble, orchestra or chamber music group really.

I think I''ve decided to try a month of viola lessons after Christmas if she is still interested. THanks for all the comments and advice

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APMF · 16/09/2012 20:15

My Year 8 DD does violin, viola and guitar, all at Grade 5 and above. On a weekly basis she has lessons for all the above plus she has quartet/orchestra at school and externally on Saturday mornings.

For non music fun she goes to an athletics club twice a week plus does netball after school.

She goes to a very academic school so plenty of homework. So its not as if GCSE is going to add any additional time pressures in a few years time.

So, it is do-able :-)

The fact that your extra instrument is the viola makes the decision easier since it only requires a minor adjustment in technique if one already plays the violin. So it's not like there is a great learning curve.

morethanpotatoprints · 15/09/2012 18:59

ZZZenAgain.

I'm not sure yet about GCSE's. If she wants to go to school to take them its up to her, or we'll carry on with H.ed. Its a long time off yet and they can change their minds. If she is still determined for a career in music I can't see why more than 3 or 4 would be necessary for conservatoire entry. The exams in music and dance that she will have taken by the time of college entry will cover 3/4 of the required UCAS points.

ZZZenAgain · 14/09/2012 11:29

hi morethan, yes I can imagine that works brilliantly for your family. What will you do around GCSE time? Are you planning to continue HE and have your dd sit the exams, preparing for them at home alongside all the music and dance?

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morethanpotatoprints · 13/09/2012 22:38

Hi.
I have only just found this but FWIW my dd 8 plays 4 instruments and also dances (5 classes) now I know this is not the answer for many but we gave up school to allow her to practice and she does this throughout the morning. She is very single minded and knows she wants to be a musician and dancing is her hobby. She was so shattered last year and missed alot of school through performances, competitions and rehearsals that she decided it was what she wanted to do. It is very time consuming and costly as you will probably know already. I just thought I'd share the other end of the spectrum. She is loving it now and is coming on in leaps and bounds, we don't have to say no to anything musical now and she can join as many ensembles as she likes. If she was still in school it wouldn't have been possible to keep the 4 instruments to be honest.

ZZZenAgain · 12/09/2012 13:02

I think that is a reasonable approach, thanks

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BreakfastCricket · 10/09/2012 13:03

How about putting it to your child like this:

Once she proves she is a really strong swimmer then you would have no hesitation in trading the cost and time of the swimming lessons for a trial run of viola lessons.

ZZZenAgain · 10/09/2012 11:15

lottie, I know she would drop swmming immediately given a chance. I suppose she could do that if she wanted to perservere with viola. I would like her to stick at it for another year to become a really strong swimmer. She has just learnt backstroke and butterfly but she isn't good at them. If she sticks it out for another year, I think maybe she could then drop swimming. I suppose she could also quit now though. She enjoys the other sports , I don't think she would want to give them up yet.

GCSEs are tough on dc, so much at once. Maybe she will just have to take a break from other things for a year or two if she struggles. We'll have to see closer to the time.

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ZZZenAgain · 10/09/2012 11:11

just re-read the thread. It is been very helpful to sort my thoughts out and change my attitude to the combination viola and violin. I'll have to see if I can get hold of a viola for dd to tinker about with it a bit and I'll have a word with the viola teacher about it but I think sometime after Christmas. I wouldn't like to buy a viola until I know she gets on with the instrument. So I have to give that some thought.

I am not sure about her current violin teacher wanting to show her the viola pugs. He doesn't play it himself and he is quite full-on demanding with the violin IMO, I don't think he would be open to that. Come to think of it, I do know a lovely woman from a chamber music workshop dd did who teaches both viola and vilolin, maybe I could ask her about it. First I am recovering from the cost of the piano but I'll get onto the viola at some stage. I think she could try getting to know the instrument, no harm n that.

Many thanks everyone who posted!

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lottiegarbanzo · 10/09/2012 07:46

Given the instrument i'd agree with giving it a go informally. If she likes it and ends up wanting to take it further, there may be more opportunity to get into good amateur groups, or progress professionally on viola, as there are fewer players.

Otherwise I'd say think ahead to GCSE years when she will need more time for school work and may need to drop something else. Maybe she has a few years now to establish a grounding she can draw upon later but be careful about her not being able to see the wood for the trees and making short-term choices with long term effects e.g. I think keeping up an orchestral instrument is an investment in social opportunities as an adult that piano generally does not offer.

pugsandseals · 10/09/2012 07:35

I am a viola player. Still play violin, but took up the viola when I was about grade 5 violin. I can still play both. They are so similar. I fell in love with my violin teachers viola & after buying a cheap one did alternate lessons with him on both. You shouldn't need a seperate teacher at this stage & they each help the other. It's a bit like professional recorder players in that once you know the fingerings for one it is easy to switch to another size. I picked up the new clef in about 2 weeks & the opportunities are vast. I really wouldn't see them as completely different from each other.

ZZZenAgain · 09/09/2012 18:30

oh I see, thanks. I'm overseas so not always up on things.

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MordionAgenos · 09/09/2012 18:30

Super selective Grammar School. She is very focussed but she does stuff she enjoys doing. If she didn't enjoy it and if it was a chore, or if her schoolwork slipped, we'd make a change.

ZZZenAgain · 09/09/2012 18:24

I don't know what an SS GS is, sorry. Your dd certainly sounds like she knows what she wants to do and it is encouraging that she is managing all that on top of her schoolwork. I suppose voice is also an instrument. Hadn't really thought of that. Dd has singing lessons so I suppose she does have lessons in 3 instruments already!

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MordionAgenos · 09/09/2012 11:39

DD1 (14) - at a very high performing SS GS - has lessons on 3 instruments, also singing lessons (she is pretty serious about her singing) plus she tinkers (to some purpose - performance level) on several other related instruments and the guitar. And she does theatre group too (minaky for the singing but also for the stage confidence). She wants to do music at conservatoire/Uni. You'd think she was under quite a bit of academic pressure at her school - they do GCSEs in Y10 - but she seems to be fine. Her problem is that her weakest instrument is the piano and she needs that so she can't give up. Otherwise I think she might happily stop piano lessons - she can play well enough for her current purposes (she can accompany herself singing (although she prefers the guitar anyway) and she can compose). But she knows if she didn't have the lessons she'd let it slip and get rusty (as I did, for the same reasons - had to do piano for O level music despite already having 3 grade 8s in wind instruments, was forced to carry on in the 6th form because of A level despite deciding not to go to music college, got up to grade 6/7 standard, never touched a piano again between leaving school and having kids at which point I realised I'd been somewhat foolish).

The thing about music is - if it's hard work, once you are a certain age, stop doing it. If you don't enjoy it once you're a teenager then give up. You can always pick it up again later if you want. If you love it, properly, it's not hard work. And the kids find the time. They just watch fewer episodes of friends or do less emailing/face booking/whatever.

ZZZenAgain · 08/09/2012 19:39

BRS, that is what I can envisage in the future. That's why I really think 3 is probably too much.

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ZZZenAgain · 08/09/2012 19:36

I'll chew it over for a bit I think. Dd has had a look at the viola clef, seems straight forward and I think she probably could figure it out pretty well but no harm in having a teacher guide her.

As far as attainment is concerned or maintaining a high level, I am not really too worried about that. For me it is more whether or not she can fit it in comfortably and enjoy it. So long as she enjoys it for the time she does it, it is enough for me really. I don't mind where she goes with music or how long she does it.

Have just spent a packet on a very good piano today (very good bargain too thankfully for the wonderful sound it makes) but ouch, not in a hurry to buy another instrument for a while.

Thanks everyone, feel a bit more clear on this now. Will leave it till after Christmas and if dd is still interested, call the teacher then to see if she could maybe have a few lessons to get to know the instrument. If he is receptive to that, I'll take it from there. Atm she has not ever played a viola and I think until you do it, you don't really know if it is your instrument.

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BikeRunSki · 08/09/2012 16:38

I played piano and flute, played in school orchestra (my school was a specialist music school, with a hot house "music course" so this was a big deal) and sang in the choir. I was desperate to play a third instrument (clarinet) or at least give up piano in its favour. Had to stick with piano for O level music (I am that old), so agreed with teachers and parents I'd wait til 6th form. Did all three, plus choir plus 4 A levels. Was nightmare, very intense, and ad a 16 yo in Lobdon i was able to get myself to all lessons, rehersals etc independently. I dropped piano and one of A levels after about a term and a half.

Colleger · 08/09/2012 16:25

It becomes really difficult to fit in appropriate practice time at a high level. My son practices for about 2 hours on the bassoon and 40 mins on piano each day. He never fits in his singing practice and when he played double bass it was a nightmare.

The main issue is that she will progress very quickly on her second string instrument and then she will need to put in a lot of practice to maintain a high standard. If proficient on two instruments she could pick up virtually any instrument in 3-5 years time and be grade 8 within a year so it is pointless.

circular · 07/09/2012 18:05

Yes - DD1(15) has lessons in 3, tinkers with 2 more and sings.
Wants to do music at university. Has been advised that when the time comes, will be best to specialise - 2 instruments at the most.

Spends all day Saturday in term time at music school which includes her 1st instrument lessons, ensembles, musicianship etc. School individual lessons on 2nd instrument, private piano lessons.
Choir one night after school, orchestra another and an outside ensemble a third.
Also has to fit in English tuition and DofE, but not especially sporty.

Thought it would slow down as she becomes more of a typical teen, but that doesn't look like happening any time soon.
Latest request is to learn the harp, but I've put my foot down there.

ZZZenAgain · 07/09/2012 16:49

thank you clara, that is very helpful

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claraschu · 07/09/2012 16:43

I am a professional violinist / violist. Many violinists also play viola, and most (not all) violists start as violinists. Playing viola gets you more and better opportunities, as there are fewer skilful violists than violinists around. If she is this quick and clever, she can pick up the clef and get a feel for viola without even having lessons. I would let her try it with a bit of help from her violin teacher, (or maybe with just a few lessons from the new teacher); perhaps she can play viola in a group of some sort. This is how many people start on viola. If she LOVES it after a few projects, she could get more serious. Most people will end up being more drawn to either violin or viola, as the viola has a richer, more mellow sound, and the violin is more virtuosic and quick to respond. It will be much easier for her to pick up viola than any other instrument.

ZZZenAgain · 07/09/2012 16:27

yes, it is the viola kit. It involves a different key, different strings as the violin and the positions will be further apart, or the fingering I presume. I feel both instruments fulfil a similar function in a way but the violin is more versatile, so I don't really think it seems a good choice to do both, also similar in many ways so a bit like learning Spanish and Italian at the same time IYSWIM which I would have thought would be confusing

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kitkat1967 · 07/09/2012 13:17

Is it the Viola that she wants to play? - I know lots of children who play Violin and Viola plus one other - that seems standard - not sure if it is as hard as 3 completely 'different' instruments as I am most certianly not an expert!!