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Front crawl help please

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actiongirl1978 · 23/01/2022 10:22

Hi all,

I've just started adult swimming lessons to ideally take me from swimming like a labrador with my nose out of the water, to sleek fast lane swimmer.

With the help of my teacher I have nailed breast stroke as it's meant to be done, plus I can just about do the breathing without a nose plug.

But when I swim crawl, I find I'm running out of breath after one or two strokes. As if the stroke is more phyically draining of oxygen (probably is as its harder) and after about half a length I have to pop up and take an absolutely massive proper breath.

Does anyone better at swimming have any tips please? I really want to nail it before my next swimming lesson. Ideally I'd like to get quite proficient as soon as possible!

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actiongirl1978 · 24/01/2022 19:27

@Theyweretheworstoftimes yes my instructor told me that - look behind me, rather than up at him on the side of the pool!

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Theyweretheworstoftimes · 24/01/2022 17:43

One thing I forgot to mention.

As you rotate you will almost be looking behind you as you breathe rather than to the side. This will mean it's harder to swallow the water.

I hope this helps

horseymum · 24/01/2022 14:13

Brilliant! I think if you remember to turn your head to breathe, there is a wee gap under your arm so you shouldn't breathe water in then. Also if you do the trickle/ bubble breathing out under water, no water can get in. Someone else mentioned thinking ' bubble bubble breathe' and coaches at our club use that too for some folk to help get the idea into your head. I think for most people, slowing down and sorting out breathing is a huge part, then you can refine the arms and legs as you are not drowning/ expiring.

Billybagpuss · 24/01/2022 13:13

Well done

emmathedilemma · 24/01/2022 13:12

Well done!

actiongirl1978 · 24/01/2022 12:45

Well done, not well don't!!

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actiongirl1978 · 24/01/2022 12:44

@emmathedilemma well don't on nailing it!

So I can report back on this morning and I had all your advice ringing in my ears.

I slowed down, remembered to twist slightly as per the second video up thread, kept kicking and in general it was a more successful morning, I think I managed about 10 full lengths of crawl.

I think I realised that sometimes if a bit of water has gone into my lungs, I spend a couple of strokes trying to deal with that rather than breathing out properly which means I don't have room for a breath. So I need to work on not letting ant drips of water go in my lungs!

The lengths that felt easiest were where I remembered to twist to take my breath and where I slowed down.

Thanks so much everyone for all the adviceSmile

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emmathedilemma · 24/01/2022 12:29

I also learnt crawl recently and it's taken me months to get more comfortable with it and less out of breath, yet I could swim breast stroke forever and not be remotely out of breath. I can just about do consecutive lengths now with stopping for breath. I think for me it was remembering to breathe out under water and just relaxing more. At first I was thinking about so many things - arms, legs, breathing etc - that I was tensing up and almost panicking when i swam crawl. I've also figured it doesn't matter how often I breath really so I often do 2 breaths rather than 3.

actiongirl1978 · 24/01/2022 12:23

@lljkk sorry didn't mean to confuse.

Until October I'd never done more than swim like a sedate Victoria lady with head out of the water.

I then made myself put my face in the Water with goggles on and then I sort of swam underwater but I held my breath when I went under. So my first swimming lesson the teacher corrected my technique and helped me breathe out under water. The second lesson he started to teach me front crawl which I could do (sort of, very loosely) by the end of that session. I swim most days and I do a lot of practice.

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Wandawide · 24/01/2022 08:56

Thanks very much for the information here. I had to stop Breast Stroke because of my back. Advice from an experienced competition swimmer.
I must get back in the water and get my body flexible again. I will save these ideas you are all listing. Thanks

lljkk · 24/01/2022 08:09

Olympic competitors take a breath every 2nd stroke (is what I observe) -- it makes sense if you think you're running low on air, and they are working very hard.

I'm confused that OP said she's only had 2 lessons & already nailed breaststroke.

I'm self-taught crawler (learned as an adult, in my 20s, & still refining). Blowing out bubbles was the key for me, the one big thing I learned from DC's lessons.

I get random tips off of the good swimmers, like longer reach or scissor legs.

actiongirl1978 · 24/01/2022 07:17

@profpoopsnagle I am super nosy watching other swimmers when I'm doing breast stroke! There are some shockingly bad techniques out there too!

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actiongirl1978 · 24/01/2022 07:08

@Theyweretheworstoftimes thank you for the tips.

Relax.. I shall try that too!! The breastroke breathing came so easy once I figured it out, so I'm hoping this will click ASAP!

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Theyweretheworstoftimes · 23/01/2022 16:26

Make sure you are rotating your body as you go through the strokes.

Freestyle you should rotate more than you think. Also relax this will help the stroke come together if you crack this then the breathing will be easier

Video on rotation

seperatedmum · 23/01/2022 16:14

[quote actiongirl1978]@seperatedmum that video makes a lot of sense thank you. He's also quite funny.

Interesting I told my instructor that I'd been watching YouTube vids in an effort to teach myself crawl and he said they are great but they rarely teach you about the breathing.

I totally gulp air in which I don't do when I swim breast.[/quote]
I'm so glad you love him, I do too! i actually try to silent/v.quiet inhale around others and it really helps. I recently got my hair done and as it's off- season haven't been pool swimming (river only) but I'm going to bloody go tomorrow coz I'm all excited about swimming again! enjoy everyone!

Huntswomanonthemove · 23/01/2022 14:40

Kicking hard is unnecessary and will take too much oxygen. The freestyle leg kick is usually six kicks to two arm pulls but on a long distance swim, this drops down,

Practice your breathing whilst holding onto the poolside and kicking, face in the water, blow out, turn your head breathe in. You can also practice with a float. Practising like this stops you from thinking about too much at once and you can concentrate on your breathing.

Everyone finds a breathing pattern that suits them. Breathing every two strokes is way too much for me and so is bilateral breathing. I tend to breath four strokes.

CMOTDibbler · 23/01/2022 14:33

For me, that feeling was totally about not breathing out enough, and a great tip I got was to hum while breathing out so that you keep a constant stream going out. When I was relearning to swim (after acquiring a disability) my instructor had a private pool and was able to use snorkels, fins and paddles so I could concentrate hard on one element at a time. Eight years later I'm still having a few coaching sessions a year, plus my coach comes and watches me at the lake after his swim and then tells me what I need to think about more. And I do look like the effortless swimmer now but its taken many hundreds of hours to get that consistently - and now I enter scary swim events!

dancemom · 23/01/2022 14:30

I teach swimming to kids and adults.

Front crawl breathing in should always be a small breath, we tell the kids to "snatch a breath" because you can take as many small breaths as you need.

With regards to exhaling, both trickle and explosive are acceptable, just whatever feels natural.

Remember to keep kicking while you breathe.

profpoopsnagle · 23/01/2022 14:23

I often add a bit of backstroke in to help with the shoulder rotation, and sometimes I over-exaggerate the 'dip' with my hips to remind me about the motion needed for rotation.

And, do watch what other swimmers do, I love a bit of breaststroke to concentrate on this!

user1499609760 · 23/01/2022 14:10

You definitely need to kick to some extent as it helps you stay afloat & horizontal. But it’s a balancing act, as kicking hard uses way more energy, so you may be tiring yourself out quicker. If you watch really good swimmers they often don’t kick much if they’re just going at a steady pace, rather than sprinting, just enough to maintain the body position & assist with the rotation.

So I’d suggest trying to have a steady kick, but not going hell-for-leather as hard as you can.

actiongirl1978 · 23/01/2022 13:58

@seperatedmum that video makes a lot of sense thank you. He's also quite funny.

Interesting I told my instructor that I'd been watching YouTube vids in an effort to teach myself crawl and he said they are great but they rarely teach you about the breathing.

I totally gulp air in which I don't do when I swim breast.

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actiongirl1978 · 23/01/2022 13:50

I'll check myself tomorrow on the kicking.

So my key points for tomorrow so far:
Slow down
Dont be afraid to stop after half a length (poss turn onto back for a few strokes)
Think about kicking properly
Trickle my breath more and don't blow it all out too soon
Dont try to gulp air when I breathe

Thank you all so much! Its nice to know I wasn't the only child who didn't learn this in the early 1980s. Its only recently I realised you don't swim breast stroke like a frog any more. We were held on the bars at the side of the pool and told to make frog legs and that's they way I swam until I was 43. Its so so much fun swimming properly now!

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Sauvignonblanket · 23/01/2022 13:36

Fab - as well as being in the right place are you kicking hard? It's easy to forget when focussing on arms but for me it really helps everything else fall into place.

actiongirl1978 · 23/01/2022 13:26

@FinallyHere that's a brilliant idea of turning over before starting again, probably a much easier transition than going from breast to crawl as your body is in the same position I'll try that tomorrow.

@sauvignonblanket I think I might have but I'm not sure on account of my brain trying to think of all the things at once Grin I know they are in the right place because I am looking at the bottom of the pool and my body doesn't feel 'tipped' like in breast stroke.

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FinallyHere · 23/01/2022 12:58

As if the stroke is more phyically draining of oxygen (probably is as its harder) and after about half a length I have to pop up and take an absolutely massive proper breath.

This is exactly what I am working on.

Want to swim well enough for it to be exercise but run out of breath long, long before my muscles are used.

Intuitively, I find my self expecting to run out of breath (as you say, expecting it to need more oxygen and so breathing harder) and so gasping for breath. My teacher has me trickling the air out blowing bubbles very gently and then taking a much gentler, smaller breath in

All very calm.

While I practise this, the suggested around when I run out of breath is to turn onto my back for a few 'normal' breaths til I'm ready to start the trickle out and breath in gently again.