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Otistheowl · 01/04/2018 17:12

I'm a complete beginnen, starting tomorrow, anyone want to join me?
The goal is fitness, although weight loss would be an added bonus.
I've a young family so time and motivation are my biggest obstacles but am determined.
Join me!

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squiggletea · 14/08/2018 08:30

Alicatz, DP’s suggestion is a good one. Even if you are effectively running on the spot. Remember, you’re running for time not distance-you don’t have to get to the top! This is the best option in the long run: you will defeat your fears and stamina will increase. One day you might sprint to the top! Fate, do you find yourself getting to the hill more quickly now?

However, to achieve W5R3, avoidance strategies are useful. Turn round and run back on yourself-if not at the end, earlier in the run. Run a loop earlier on.

You will still have achieved the run and will feel amazing!

FATEdestiny · 14/08/2018 07:41

there is a tiny but steep hilly bit right near the end

Could you change your start place, so you finish just before the hill starts?

I have a 400m hill that is the last 300m of my 5k run if I start from home, the rest of the route completely flat.

When doing C25K I used to walk a little way away from home to start, so that I'd finished the run and was on the cooled own walk by the start of the hill.

Now that I go by distance, not running time, I can pinpoint exactly where to start my run so that the 5k point comes exactly at the start of the hill. Then cool down walk up it.

But as my confidence has grown I usually just start from home and know I have to run the hill. Given its at the very end of the run, so I know cool-down is coming, I enjoy the (short) extra challenge.

DropZoneOne · 13/08/2018 23:39

Personally, I'd avoid hills as much as possible! This is not my first attempt at C25K, the furthest I got previously was W5R3, I hit a hill at 12 minutes and physically couldn't run, it was if I was standing still. It knocked my confidence and I ended up stopping for several months.

This time I realised early on that hills were bad news for me, and I walk to a flat bit before starting. I would absolutely avoid a hill on that run! You really, really want to finish it. Your body can finish it, it's your mind that needs telling. Any obstacle that causes doubt (oh here's a hill, that'll be hard), is unhelpful. If that means running up and down the same bit of road a few times, no bother!

Enjoy the run - you are strong, you are fit, you can run - Go For It Grin

Alicatz66 · 13/08/2018 17:26

DropZoneOne .. thanks for the advice on W5R3... I'm really not looking forward to it! Doing it Friday after work. I have a set route and there is a tiny but steep hilly bit right near the end. Otherwise the route is flat .. DP is a runner and he advises me to run that bit but slowly to help stamina !!! I've done it on a 5 minute running bit yesterday but it's like a big psychological barrier for Friday !! May just concentrate on doing my 20 minutes flat by doubling back a bit and go up hill on cool down ??? What do you think ? And what advice would you give FATEDestiny

Alicatz66 · 13/08/2018 16:56

FATEDestiny.. W5R3 is Friday evening after work !! ... I need all the help I can get !

FATEdestiny · 13/08/2018 16:05

PetraDelphiki - don't get disheartened.

It isn't really meant to get easier run-to-run. It's not a bad thing to struggle in week 1, it gives you something to look back on. It gets easier only when you move on and look back at your progress. When you can run 3 minutes (albeit out if breath!), you'll remember the original struggle you had on 60sec intervals. Then you'll be able to run 8 minutes and think back to how out of breath you were after 3 minutes previously.

Week 1 is teaching you to pace over the 8 60s intervals. Learning to pace means learning to slow down

So if you're struggling on the first 60 second interval then you are going way, way too fast. Slow down. If you manage the first few intervals then struggle on the last few, you know you need to slow down your pace even further on the early intervals so you have enough energy to do them all.

All of the first 6 weeks are mostly about teaching you (a) to slow down and pace yourself so you finish, and (b) that mostly running is psychological. You think you can't do it. But as long as you're pace is right then you definitely can do it.

Slow down.

FATEdestiny · 13/08/2018 15:55

Excellent progress everyone!

Alicatz66, when is W5R3 planned for? So we can all cheer you on. That is "The Run", it's simply the most amazing feeling when you finish it. It's when you realise you are a Proper Runner. You can do it, you will do it! Keep your pace low and keep going.

Mookie81, don't repeat a week, you really don't need to. It's psychological, you just think you can't move on. But you can. You really, really can. Trust the program. If ever you feel you're struggling - slow down. Better to slow down, complete the run and move on than go to fast and not finish. Just take your pace down.

DropZoneOne sounds like you're there now, you've done it. If you feel like a bit more of a program to follow to keep going and move on, look for the "C25K Plus" podcasts on the NHS website.

There's a stepping stone one, to move on from finishing C25K. It takes you to a 35 min run (with the usual 5 min warm up and cool down) and introduces the idea of monitoring your pace in bpm (beats per minute, or steps per minute). There's then a podcast for a slightly longer run that should get you to 5k if you're not already there. Or a shorter 15 minute run but introducing interval training where you run faster for short periods, with slower (but still jogging) periods in between.

PetraDelphiki · 13/08/2018 10:58

Had to restart yesterday after missing a week - redid w1r2 - I’m sure this is supposed to get easier :-(

DropZoneOne · 12/08/2018 14:56

W8R2 done, in fact for both week 8 runs, I've run 30 minutes rather than 28 so that I'm running for 4k. I've slowed down slightly from W7R3, but at this pace I feel I could add another couple of minutes ... and then maybe a couple more. Right now I'm concentrating on distance rather than speed. I did grin when I hit 20 minutes today, remembering how unbelievably good it felt to reach that goal only 8 runs ago!

Alicatz good luck with week 5! Look back at Fate's advice to me for W5R3 - I was really worrying about it, but it is your mindset, physically your body can do this.

Mookie some runs are harder than others, keep going with week 4 and your body will improve. Enjoy your holidays!

Mookie81 · 10/08/2018 12:54

Hi all! I'd like to join.
Did week 4 run 1 today, I've been running every other day instead of 3 a week.
It was a killer and if I still really struggle at the end of week 4 I'll repeat it.
On holiday next Friday but the hotel has a gym so I can use my app and run on the treadmill.
@FATEdestiny I like your mantra; I've been repeating 'come on you fat cow, come on you fat cow!' to myself and that also seems to work Grin.
I've registered for the parkrun and will do my first one after my hols.

Alicatz66 · 10/08/2018 12:13

Finished week 4 today .. onward to week 5 on Sunday ... I still just can't imagine running 10 minutes let alone 30 !! I have been ok so far though

DropZoneOne · 08/08/2018 23:14

Thank you so much FATE. I ran for 30 minutes tonight, but slower and it was easier. I hear what you're saying about pushing yourself, at the moment just running for more than 20 minutes is pushing myself!

User9 my warm-up walk is 7 minutes rather than 5 minutes, because that gets me to a route where I can run for 4k with no hills. The hills on other routes just made it too hard when I was starting out. So I would absolutely find a flat run for W5R3, and good luck! You can do this.

FATEdestiny · 08/08/2018 20:22

I hate hills User9. In fact the very first time I ran 10k came from the fact I had a 7k route planned, but didn't realise the last km was up a (slight) hill. So I by-passed the hill and effectively went all the way around it instead of up and over. I ended up running 3k further- much more preferable that doing a hill I reckon!

If you have a flat route avaliable to you, I would swap to that one if it was me. I have gradually started introducing hills into my training, but I wouldn't have done it earlier on.

User9 · 08/08/2018 19:44

I have read the thread and there is some great advice here. I have just finished W5R2. Next one is the big one!

I was wondering if anyone has any advice for me. I have been running the roads where I live but it's really quite hilly and I really think it will be hard to run last past the 8mins as I did struggle a bit with that one. I'm considering going somewhere I know will be relatively flat for the next run and then trying the hilly run.

FATEdestiny · 08/08/2018 19:38

Hello RenaissanceBunny and MrsMarigold, welcome to the club! Good time to start now it's got cooler.

FATEdestiny · 08/08/2018 19:03

It's my breathing I'm struggling with, my lungs start to hurt. Any tips for keeping that steady?

This is a more in-depth thing than just "try X, Y and Z". The breathing thing has a lot to do with psychology. In a nutshell, it's realising
â—‹ you can control your breathing rather than it controlling you (and making you slow down) when your running.
â—‹ getting very out of breath and your heart rate maxing-out is a Good Thing. It needs to happen and you you don't need to be concerned about it.

So to control your own breathing when you are running, don't automatically assume you need you slow down. Make sure your head is still, your shoulders relaxed and your hands not tensed. Keep your chest and core (torso) still, no up-down movement. The tension in your body wastes energy and makes you more exhausted. It also stops you from relaxing.

Relaxing during a run is a physiological thing, not just physical. Thinking "I can't do this, I need to stop, I'm too tired" and del that negative self-talk becomes self forfilling. Tell yourself you are strong, fit, healthy. Or distract yourself. Try to think of something completely separate to running - plan dinner, think about wording an email you have to write. One of my favourites is imagining I am training someone else. In fact, over the last two days my mind has wandered during a run thinking about how to word this reply I'm writing now Blush

Relaxing is how you get control of your breathing. Physically relaxing in your run and mentally relaxing to become calm and quiet.

But sometimes you do all of this and will still have very laboured breathing and a high heart rate. So you should, you are exercising hard

I don't want to teach grandma to suck eggs here, but do you know about hear rate zones?

You have your normal, resting heart-rate. You then have three zones when you are active.
• Fat-burning zone
This is the low-to-medium intensity exercise zone. It's when you're active, but not pushing your muscles - like fast walking.

• Cardio zone
This is the medium-to-high intensity exercise zone. It's when you're pushing yourself but not straining. Most of your run will be here.

• Peak zone
This is the high-intensity exercise zone. Its whrn your breathing is laboured, your heart beating fast and youllbe sweating a lot. The peak zone is when you improve performance and speed.

You don't want to spend long periods of time in peak zone, but it's necessary for you to improve.

If you were inclined to pay a personal trainer to get you fit, one of the things they do is to push you to the peak zone and try to get a bit more out of you in there ("don't stop yet, 500 more meters", "Faster, faster, come on", "push push, push yourself to get to the gate over there" etc)

Right now you are training your stamina as you move from Week 7 to Week 9, so you can run for longer. Getting into the peak zone is necessary for that, peak zone is when change happens. It means your body is pushing itself. It means you're "training" rather than just "exercising".

Throughout the C25K programe you are definitely "training" - you are teaching your body to do something you couldn't do 3 months ago. You're constantly pushing to run for longer, so you will get to peak zone and have laboured breathing. That's not a problem, it means it's working

When you finish C25K, then things may change. You may decide you are just going to run for half an hour as exercise and that's all. In which case you may go back to just cardio zone exercise. Or you might try to increase your pace and speed even further (increase distance to 5k or beyond, or work on getting faster times). That will involve peak zone running too - running when your breathing is laboured, you're sweating buckets and feel like you might collapse at the end.

So, very long essay to basically say, if you're breathing is hurting:
(1) check your running style. Still, calm and not tense so you don't waste any energy
(2) use controlled breathing techniques to try to relax further and control your breathing rather than it controlling you (big breaths, controlled breathing to a regular count etc).
(3) Distract yourself by thinking about something else. Use positive self-talk
(4) Assess how far near the end of your run you are. Pushing yourself to the max for the final 5/10/15 mins (whatever you can manage) will improve your training if you can manage it. So don't worry about laboured breathing now, rest when you're done.
(5) Ask yourself if you're trying to push yourself. If you're aiming to get a fast time, run further, run longer - you will push to the max and that might mean breathing so hard it hurts. Sometimes have 'easy' runs when you don't push yourself. Sometimes 'go for it' and accept it will be hard graft, but worth it when you see results

and then...

(6) if you've gone through all of these and are still concerned about your laboured breathing..... then slow down your pace because you're probably going too fast.

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MrsMarigold · 07/08/2018 21:56

I just did W1R2 today, it was a bit cooler and I wore shorts ( hopefully I won't scare anyone) I can't wait for Thursday, I'm so excited reading your stories is so motivational. My brother is a very good runner and has always been urging me to take it up.

RenaissanceBunny · 07/08/2018 08:09

W1R1 completed this morning. Felt good if not too challenging except when the runs coincided with an uphill bit. Looking forward to W1R2.

DropZoneOne · 06/08/2018 21:27

W7R3 and a bit extra! I've realised my struggle point is around 15-20 minutes. If I can keep going, the 20 minute onwards is ok, today I managed 28 minutes because I wanted to reach 4k and knew I was soooo close!

It's my breathing I'm struggling with, my lungs start to hurt. Any tips for keeping that steady?

AvonCallingBarksdale · 06/08/2018 11:49

Hi, all. Just popping back to say that after graduating from C25K in June, I've now done 7 Parkruns on the trot. First one I did in 36.20 and have gradually got faster each time, so on Saturday I finished in 33.15. My aim is to get down to sub30 by the end of the year. I've kept up with 2X 2.5K runs midweek, when I do some interval training, which is really hard, but does seem to be working in terms of speeding me up. I started C25K in April and although I did a 10K in 2012, I'd not done any running really since then. I couldn't imagine being able to run non-stop for over 30 mins at the start and I'd be lying if I said I'd enjoyed each run, but I'm loving my Parkruns now!! And for anyone who's been training in the heatwave, just think how much faster you'll be able to go when it cools down!
Good luck everyone Smile

DropZoneOne · 05/08/2018 11:21

Jessica fantastic

It's so nice to hear from those who've made it to the end, good luck for your parkrun

JessicaJoans · 05/08/2018 11:13

Just in case anyone is in any doubt - this works! - I graduated today, just did Wk9 Run 3 this morning, having never run in my life before starting C25k. It’s been a life changer for me. Trust the programme, it’s so much more about the mental process than the physical. You CAN do it. I’m not close to 5k in 30mins but I don’t care, I want to work on the distance and do a parkrun next. Good luck to anyone doing it or considering it. Go slow, but get out there. You won’t regret it.

DropZoneOne · 04/08/2018 22:42

Well done to Mr FATE Grin

It's such a good programme, and I'm still amazed at how your fitness can improve so gradually you don't really notice until you hear the trainer (or Jo Whiley in my case) remind you how far you've come.

FATEdestiny · 04/08/2018 22:01

That's about the same as my pace when finishing C25K DropZoneOne. When running 30 minutes I was covering 5k if you included the warm up and cool down walks - it was 0.5k walk (5 mins) 4k run (30 mins) and 0.5k run (5 mins). It's not a bad pace.

Focusing on foot placement is always a good thing though.

I had a shitty run today. It will always happen and often doesn't mean or signify anything. So don't worry about it just put it behind you. W7R3 will no doubt be better.

My husband ran W1R1 today. After months and months of telling me running "wasn't his thing", he went out for a walk this afternoon and came back proud as punch to say he'd just completed W1R1 with Michael Johnson talking him through it. And that he intends to keep going.

I'm dead proud of him. That first run is psychology the hardest.

DropZoneOne · 04/08/2018 21:46

I got overconfident 😫 W7R2 was hard, even though I've run 25 minutes twice before. I finished it, and ran slightly further than before, but I was finding it hard.

I think I'm a bit flat footed, I tried concentrating on how I was landing towards the end so that needs to be my focus next time.

I've signed up for a virtual run too - if I do 5k before the end of August I get a pretty medal Grin The 25 mins is getting to me 3.5k, so I think I can get there.