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Otistheowl · 01/04/2018 17:12

I'm a complete beginnen, starting tomorrow, anyone want to join me?
The goal is fitness, although weight loss would be an added bonus.
I've a young family so time and motivation are my biggest obstacles but am determined.
Join me!

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eatyourveg · 13/09/2018 16:28

Thanks Dropzone No idea how to put music on my phone (technophobe) nor a distance tracker. Will ask the dc if they can sort something.

I usually run with a friend but she can't always make it so ds3 who is doing sport science at uni has been coming along for encouragement (apparently I need to work on my breathing and keep my head up more) Wink He goes back soon so having the music would be useful although I can't keep ear phones on and so always have Laura on loud speaker as I go round. Not sure music would go down very well with the dog walkers where I run Grin Does the music stop when Laura talks or does she talk over it?

Alicatz66 · 13/09/2018 16:17

I'm going to do W7R2 when I get home .... run 1 went well so I'm going to blast the music and hope for the best. I'm beginning to understand sometimes you just have a bad run and not to quit.. at least it's cool .. I hate running in the heat

DropZoneOne · 13/09/2018 16:10

@eatyourveg

How far you run each week depends on an individual pace. The app/programme is a bit of a misnomer, because it will take you from no running to running for 30 minutes. At no point does the NHS app instruct on pace, other than to suggest if you are struggling slow down, and if it's easy push a bit harder!

In week 7, I introduced distance tracking, out of nosiness, and was running for 3.5k. With warm up and cool down, I knew I'd be covering 5k by the end but not running 5k in 30 minutes. So I could cover 5k in 40 minutes which felt a good point to improve from.

By the end of week 7 though, I'd got a steady pace and was able to keep running through the cool down to get to 4k, and by the end of week 8 I could run 5k (not in 30 minutes, it was around 37/38).

If it were me, I'd stick on the app for wherever you are up to, with some music, and just set off. Keep running at a steady pace through the cool down, which is then 30 minutes running. If you feel good, just keep going at that pace, or slow it down a bit if you need to - but you'll be nearly there!

PetraDelphiki · 13/09/2018 15:41

Btw fate are you in the fitness industry? You are very knowledgeable and helpful - thank you!

PetraDelphiki · 13/09/2018 15:40

Definitely running (very niko Niko style)...fitness and weight loss pre skiing really!

I think I’m planning to move my effort up a little so that I can complete each run without wanting to die but also without thinking that was easy - that’s the level I work at when skiing....

eatyourveg · 13/09/2018 15:05

Thought I might find a thread here. Just done W4r3 but didn't save it and will do it again on saturday because the jump frm W3 to W4 was massive and I was almost falling over by the end of it so am doing 4 runs each stage.

My concern is that I go so slowly - will I actually be running 5k by the end of week 9? Have entered a 5k walk/run for mid w7 as an incentive not to give up and am thinking I might put the app on to help get me round. Will I need to put something like W4 on repeat as I won't have got to W9 by then? No idea how far each week is. Does the app tell you somewhere?

FATEdestiny · 13/09/2018 13:31

wondering if I need to be trying a bit harder as it really felt easy at the speed I was going...how tired should you be at the end of a session?

The first question to ask yourself is: are you actually running or just fast walking? There is a fine line between slow running and brisk walking.

Because the purpose of C25K is to teach you to run. Brisk walking has its own health benefits but it is not the purpose of C25K so if you are not actually running then why not just have a half hour brisk walk and leave it at that?

Assuming you are actually running, the next question to ask yourself is: Why are you running? and all runners will answer this differently so there is no one size fits all.

● Are you doing C25K just for the kudos of being able to say you've done it and are unlikely to run again? In which case it doesn't much matter your pace

● Are you doing C25K to lose weight only. In which case calorie burn is likely to be higher for a run that is slower but over a longer time.

Don't confuse this with 'a slow run burns more calories', it doesnt. Running for a longer time burns more calories. To cover the same distance at a slower pace means running for longer. For example cover 5km at a fast pace might take you 30 mins at a rate of 10 cal/min = 300 calories burnt. Cover the same 5km at a slower pace your calorie burn rate might only be 8 cal/min, but if it takes you 45 min = 360 calories burnt.

Also worth noting that 60 calories is next to nothing in the grand scheme of things, so actually makes only a teeny difference

● Are you doing C25K for your heart health?

British Heart Foundation and the NHS use the terms "moderate exercise" and "vigerous exercise" and advise 150 mins per week moderate exercise or 75 mins vigerous exercise, with NHS advice that vigerous is better than moderate. These are the definitions:

  • Moderate activity will raise your heart rate, andmake you breathe faster and feel warmer.
  • Vigorous activity makesyou breathe hard and fast. If you're working at this level, you won't be able to say more than a few words without pausing for breath.

Your post would suggest your pace of moderate exercise. So you should be doing at least 150 mins per week at this pace (30 mins 5 times a week). NHS say evidence suggests vigerous exercise is better. So if you're doing this for your heart health then pushing your pace so "you're working at this level, you won't be able to say more than a few words without pausing for breath" might be a good idea.

● Are you running to challenge yourself you run further or for longer? You are likely to run further and for longer at a slower pace.

● Are you running to challenge yourself to reach the "good for age" time? The first step involves learning to push yourself faster.

● Are you just running for fun and fresh air? Your pace and time are therefore irrelevant.

●○● And not forgetting that people's reasons for running will
(a) change over time and
(b) be a mixture of all or several reasons above, not just one
(c) could be completely different reasons that I haven't thought of!

slowrun · 13/09/2018 10:57

And here:

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slowrun · 13/09/2018 10:56

Wired my app does not seem to leave the spaces.

www.championseverywhere.com/niko-niko-pace-gentle-path-success/

slowrun · 13/09/2018 10:55

Sorry should have left more space between the links:

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www.championseverywhere.com/niko-niko-pace-gentle-path-success/

slowrun · 13/09/2018 10:53

I meant to put a Grinemoji in after that. We like it being easy over on the Niko thread!

slowrun · 13/09/2018 10:52

Petra, that's what a lot of people, including myself have been saying about Niko Niko. There are different theories regarding how hard to run. Some people monitor their heart rate to achieve a particular 'exercise zone'. Here is some theory:

www.championseverywhere.com/niko-niko-pace-gentle-path-success/

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PetraDelphiki · 13/09/2018 10:37

W5r3... wondering if I need to be trying a bit harder as it really felt easy at the speed I was going...how tired should you be at the end of a session? On a scale of could keep going for hours to collapse in a heap and can’t even walk back to the car?

PhannyMcNee · 12/09/2018 09:44

W1R2 done Grin

I am definitely a cold weather runner. It is grey and damp here but I've run along the Coast Path and it is beautiful! Not too hot although I did mistime it so had to 'run' my minute up a near vertical Wink bit of path Shock

FATEdestiny · 11/09/2018 10:13

Hi there @PhannyMcNee, nice plan. I definitely find running in the cold weather much, much better than running in the hot weather. So I think you've picked a great time to start. Running warms you up, after all.

Hi @daphine2004. I similarly spent a few weeks mentally preparing to start C25K before I actually did. It's about getting your head in the right place isn't it? When are you thinking of starting week 1?

You can use your own music/podcasts with the C25K NHS app @PetraDelphiki. The podcasts provides its own music by a company called Audiofuel. I went on to use Audiofuel coaching podcasts for 10k and half marathon training - they specialise in specially designed music to exercise to, with specific beats-per-minute and tempos to help your pace.

Depends on your preference. My DH like listening to his own music so did C25K app with his Spotify playlists, now just runs with Spotify. I preferred the podcasts and now use Audiofuel podcasts if I'm doing a training run or I listen to Harry Potter on Audible if I'm just doing an easy run.

PetraDelphiki · 11/09/2018 09:15

Nope didn’t like the nhs one - might work with music doesn’t work with podcasts! W5r2 done though...achey calves in second 8 mins otherwise all good!!!

daphine2004 · 11/09/2018 06:59

I’m in. Been mentally getting ready to do it!

PetraDelphiki · 11/09/2018 06:52

Am going to try the nhs one on today’s run...although I’m quite happy just listening to my podcast and doing my nice Niko Niko speed!

PhannyMcNee · 10/09/2018 23:54

Evening, popping in as I started C25K last year (November-ish time?) and got to week 7 before I got flu and it all fell apart! Started back at the beginning with W1R1 tonight and already feel so much better. Going to be out Mon, Weds and Fri so hoping that joining in on here will be my motivation when it's cold, wet and windy!

FATEdestiny · 10/09/2018 22:09

Does that mean you miss out on all the coaching that comes with the official app?

I've not used any of the non-official ones. But the script used by the celebrities in the NHS one gives loads of coaching tips on things like foot placement, keeping your head/shoulders still, breathing and most importantly managing your pace. The actual teaching you how to run is what makes it successful.

Does the zen one give coaching? Or just "Run now... walk now..." or similar?

PetraDelphiki · 10/09/2018 21:52

Yes same minutes numbers just with added distance suggestions (which I’m ignoring) I think it’s the zen labs app...

FATEdestiny · 10/09/2018 18:00

I'm not sure where those distances come from PetraDelphiki, you must not be using the official NHS C25K program.

There are lots of apps that copy the program, but the official NHS C25K app and podcasts do not mention distance at all. This is specifically because everyone's pace is different.

I would only recommend the podcasts or app here:

Official C25K podcasts from the NHS website

Official C25K app from the NHS website

For Week 5 it is:

• Run 1:brisk 5-minute warm-up walk, then 5 minutes running, 3 minutes walking, 5 minutes running, 3 minutes walking, 5 minutes running.
• Run 2:brisk 5-minute warm-up walk, then 8 minutes running, 5 minutes walking, 8 minutes running.
• Run 3:brisk 5-minute warm-up walk, then 20 minutes running, with no walking.

PetraDelphiki · 10/09/2018 17:04

Interestingly just looked at my next run (w5r2) ...it says jog 3/4 mile or 8 mins, walk 1/2 mile or 5 mins jog 3/4 or 8 mins...which suggests a jogging pace basically identical to walking pace...:

FATEdestiny · 10/09/2018 14:59

It's all*...

FATEdestiny · 10/09/2018 14:59

Great news CanIKondo, and welcome to our online running club! You are right to be proud of yourself. The jumps in Weeks 4, 5 and 6 are big but you just need to trust the program. It's well tested and researched that the levels of progress in C25K are spot on.

It's sell about thinking you can't do it, then realising that in fact you can do it. It's all in the mind. Just slow down and you will do it.

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