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Hierarchy of Fat Loss: how to prioritise your time and effort.

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JustGettingStarted · 05/03/2017 06:58

I see countless threads on mumsnet where women talk about wanting to "tone up" and lose weight in which they discuss maybe taking up jogging or taking a class. Or asking which treadmill or elliptical to buy. It really frustrates me and makes me sad because I know that so many people are mostly clueless about fitness and weight loss.

There are many thousands of people grinding away on treadmills, taking "bums and tums" classes, etc. Most of them don't lose much weight. Quite a few lose none.

There are things that do a lot, and there are things that do relatively little, to help you lose body fat. Most of us have other stuff to do in life and so even carving out three hours a week can be a challenge. You need to know which activities are the best use of your time.

In order of efficacy and importance, here are the things that you can do.

  1. Diet. Nothing is more important. You cannot lose fat unless you eat fewer calories than you burn. You can improve strength and endurance and feel great, but you won't lose fat. Most people need to count calories to eat fewer calories but some have success with cutting out carbs, booze, intermittent fasting, etc. These are just ways of cutting calories.
  1. Weight training. Lifting weights, whether by machines or barbells kettle bells. This burns calories and triggers your body to preserve muscle mass while letting go of fat. Without this, step one will result in losing both fat and muscle. People who diet + lift lose more fat than those who diet + jog. The weights have to be heavy. If you can buy them at TK Maxx, they're too light.
  1. Sprinting, aka anaerobic interval training aka tabata. Incredibly intense running or cycling at a level so high that you can just barely do it for 20 seconds (you're miserable at 15 seconds and collapsing at 20). Work for 20 seconds, rest for 10-20 seconds. Repeat about 8 times, a few times a week. This burns calories for up to 36 hours after you quit. It literally raises your metabolism.
  1. Aerobic Intense Interval Training. Like above only at a level where you can sustain it for two to three minutes. You're gasping for breath and your heart is pounding. Work for 2 minutes, rest for 1-2 minutes and repeat 6-10 times. This also has an "afterburn" effect on the metabolism.
  1. Higher intensity steady state aerobic training. This is a brisk pace that you can stand for 20 or 30 minutes. You're breathing heavily through your mouth. Feels nice and you you get sweaty but you don't burn many calories. Once you stop and your heart rate returns to normal, you cease burning extra calories.
  1. Low intensity steady state cardio. This is walking. It has negligible effects on fat loss.

This is all explained in more depth, with links to the science to back it up in this fantastic article:

www.t-nation.com/training/hierarchy-of-fat-loss

I am losing weight rapidly and toning the hell out of my body with 1, 2,and 4. I know that 3 (tabata) is more efficient than my HIIT circuits but I am a wimp. Grin

These things aren't easy. They require commitment and you may have to learn new things. It's possible, but not easy, to do it at home with the use of books, YouTube videos and weights bought at home. Even joining a gym only gets you so far if you're clueless about the equipment. But I think it's worth it. Once you have overcome your fears and learned how to exercise properly, you'll be set for life.

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JustGettingStarted · 05/03/2017 10:25

By the way, I use little purple weights for a particular shoulder exercise. (after 5k, they cease to be pastel at my gym). Sometimes you do need to use light weights. But if you can repeat the motion 12 times, it's time to pick up the heavier weights.

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UnmentionedElephantDildo · 05/03/2017 10:25

"I do know that the media promotes light weights and I definitely see countless posts from women who want to lose weight and their first thoughts...."

Ah, so you've not found oodles of posts about this on MN , you've just made assumptions about what MN is like.

Did you know there's a whole topic, called 'The Weights Room' ? That's where you are most likely to find the supportive threads for those who are (or who are interested in) lifting the heavier weights.

AuntieStella · 05/03/2017 10:22

Did you mean to post in this topic?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/weight_loss_chat

You might want to report your post and get it moved, as it seems to be more about weight loss than about exercise (and I think there will be more MNetters who are interested in losing weight over there)

JustGettingStarted · 05/03/2017 10:22

They rarely discuss the colour but I do know that the media promotes light weights and I definitely see countless posts from women who want to lose weight and their first thoughts are to consider elliptical and rowing machines or perhaps c25k. And if you're doing weight exercises to a video at home, I think it's highly unlikely that you're deadlifting 50k or higher.

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UnmentionedElephantDildo · 05/03/2017 10:19

I think the assumption that mums have pink dumbbells shows you don't know what MN is like.

I don't doubt that you have read lots of threads. I don't think it's possible they were typical MN threads.

JustGettingStarted · 05/03/2017 10:19

Zefstar 1000-1200 a day may be necessary for very petite and sedentary women. I'm 149lbs and losing 1-2 lbs a week on 1800 a day. But I do work out 6 days a week. I suppose if it was diet alone, I would have to eat 1400 a day.

I have found that it's hard to find decent food while travelling. I live on Pret and M&S lunches when I travel because the packaging makes calorie counting easy. It gets much harder when you're eating in most restaurants!

Eating a LOT of protein helps me to stay full longer. Eating breakfast as late as possible helps with eating less all day. There's simply no room in my diet for biscuits or crap like that. It's not easy, but I don't feel hungry.

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JustGettingStarted · 05/03/2017 10:14

Yes. I'm spamming an article written 10 years ago. To get rich.

I don't just mean on this exercise sub forum. I mean on mn overall.

I realise that many mums don't have time or money to go to the gym. And weightlifting is intimidating. A yoga mat and a couple of pink dumbells from TK Maxx, with some videos.... Or maybe c25k... seems much easier. I know they're better than sitting on the sofa. But you won't lose weight unless you cut calories and little weights won't prevent muscle loss.

The hierarchy assumes that you can't do it all at once. Steps 1&2 are literally all you need to be lean and healthy. Everything else is a bonus. I just wish that step 2 wasn't intimidating or hard to access and that all the women's magazines didn't talk shite about "bikini bodies" and muffin tops with photos of Lulumon models holding pink weights and doing crane poses on the beach.

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SexTrainGlue · 05/03/2017 08:55

Is this cunning spam?

Because it seems very much at odds with the content of the actual chat here.

(and of course 'tone up' usually means exactly that as, when I've seen it, it's from posters who are at the weight they want and they are seeking exercise advice)

whowouldknow · 05/03/2017 08:53

This is really interesting-thanks!

ZefStar · 05/03/2017 08:50

What I see repeatedly on the boards is the advice that weight loss generally is 80% down to eating and 20% down to excercise and weight training is the most effective way to change body shape.
There's some great advice available here and never a one size fits all approach.
In my personal opinion, when starting out exercising for fitness or weight loss or whatever it's important for a person to just do what they enjoy and build confidence in themselves and their bodies gradually. In the past when starting a fitness regime and going straight in with fairly tough stuff like 30 day shred, I would be disheartened and lose interest quickly.
Starting out with tabata or whatever would've put me right off, whereas having a more gentle intro and building my fitness gradually through walking and jogging, lead to an interest in other forms of exercise aimed at firming up.
Baby steps worked really well for me , although obvs this is just my individual experience.

Felicitylemon1958 · 05/03/2017 08:49

This is so interesting to me. I lost 3 stone between October and Feb by doing steps 1&2. I read up on calorie counting and lifting and ate 1000-1200 calories at day. The weight fell off, fast, which motivated me to start exercising more - so I started running and the 30 Day Shred and using weights (though mine are not that heavy!).

I'm going to read up on your next points - now I've dropped the excess fat I want to be strong and fit.

I also get frustrated reading the weight loss threads. I went to slimming world and quit because I used my fitness pal and couldn't believe how many calories I was still eating - losing three stone would have taken a year and I'd have lost all motivation. How do people keep this up?

The interesting thing to me now is that people don't want to hear the truth about
'How I've done it' - when I say '1000-1200 calories a day using my fitness pal' they immediately turn off or say 'oh I can't get on with counting calories'. They want me to prove a fad or crazy technique has worked instead.

JustGettingStarted · 05/03/2017 08:37

Nope.

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ZefStar · 05/03/2017 08:10

are you a personal trainer?