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RubberDuck · 22/07/2010 15:24

The runners have their thread, thought it would be nice to have a thread for the Mumsnet MAers - surely I'm not the only one?

As an intro - my martial art of choice is a blend of Wing Chun and have been practising it for just over a year now. Would love to have the space (and the money) for a wooden training dummy, but looks like I'll have to hold fire for now.

There seems to be a shortage of message boards for women in martial arts - would be interested in sharing experiences (and injuries, heh) with others out there.

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RubberDuck · 22/09/2010 08:23

Hello-oo-oo-o.... Grin

Well, if anyone's still around, have started Krav Maga and been going the last 3 weeks. Having a LOT of fun with it. Would definitely recommend it for someone who has had no previous fighting experience and wants to learn a quick way to defend themselves.

Safe environment to learn but with lots of pressure testing and 'real bad day' scenarios to hard wire reactions to muscle memory. Feel much more confidence that I could use it in a real situation.

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RubberDuck · 25/08/2010 11:00

How's it going Serotonin? Getting back into it again? It's a bit of shock to the system after having a break, isn't it!

Well, I've made a big decision this week, and for various reasons I've left my MA school. Now shopping for a new one in something totally different - preferably one which requires slightly less in the way of extra curricular training just to keep up. I don't mind commitment and hard work - but after a lot of reflection, I'd got the balance wrong for me personally, I think.

I'm toying with the idea of Krav Maga, although the location near me is far less convenient. Any thoughts/advice on what to look for in a good school? It's exciting but rather nerve wracking trying to find a new home.

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serotoninbutterfly · 10/08/2010 17:29

Hello, I want to join!

Going back to Shotokan next week, stopped due to pg (DP wouldnt let me go).

Got to orange belt and LOVED every second - best workout ever. Loved working with the blackbelts too, with contact - if you are lucky enough to land a strike it does wonders for your confidence!

RubberDuck · 10/08/2010 13:48

Oops, this thread had dipped off my "Threads I'm On" so I lost it!

I don't think it's so much being registered on a database, Fluffy - our license is with our association which gives us (and our instructor) insurance at a decent price, so we've got some liability insurance - I've not got mine to hand at the moment (handed it in to be renewed) so I can't check the small print. Anyway, we're not allowed to train once you've been graded unless you have the insurance/license.

Yeah, I love those sort of training sessions that really make you think. We've also done one with 3 against 1 where you're pinned to a wall and having to fight your way out - that's psychologically tough as much as anything and realistically you'd hope that you wouldn't get yourself in that situation in the first place. Still a very useful exercise, though.

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FluffyDonkey · 29/07/2010 15:48

So - it seems I will be able to carry on training whilst pregnant - this is good news cos the club is currently shut for the summer holidays and I'm really missing it already!

I also do the walking down the street thing thinking how I could protect myself.

We once did a "protect yourself from rape" class where the blokes were told to really try to attack us/get us on the floor and we were taught defense techniques. Was fascinating but exhausting! And very strange to be so physically close to someone who wasn't DH!

I do like working with newbies and helping them improve - but I find it really quite frustrating if they don't listen or try to improve. I know it's a lot to take in, but as you all know you have to practise! Because our dojo is part of a general gym, we get quite a few "tourists" who barely even break a sweat when training. But some newbies are great and really watch others to learn how to improve.

Interesting about being registered on a database too. Makes sense. In France we are all registered so that if we're ever in a fight we have to use "appropriate force" because we should know how to neutralise an opponent without destroying him

The other day we did a great training session - 3 against 1....really makes you think about how to react in a street fight situation (we weren't allowed the "run away" option which I would have definately chosen if I could, when faced with 3 1st & 2nd Dan large blokes )

RubberDuck · 23/07/2010 22:49

In Wing Chun, the 'tell' is known as telegraphing (actually, not sure if that's a general MA term or a WC term). It's possible to learn how to act with minimal telegraphing and is a huge part of sensitivity training.

My favourite part of Wing Chun is a sensitivity drill called Chi Sau. It's all about feeling your opponents hands and feeling what they are going to do next without looking. The subtlety really appeals to me

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gomummy · 23/07/2010 22:48

Shodan I am impressed, I am just starting to really catch onto watching for the "tell", particularly from the neck area, iykwim. What a difference it does make in your defense, feels somehow like you have more reaction time?

Sweaty blokes I can tolerate but I do get rather at the (in)frequency with which some folk seem to launder their gi! Certain clinging odors get to me.

Shodan · 23/07/2010 21:49

Btw, Meglet- you wouldn't like being paired with me then- I am the original sweaty betty. I once asked the doctor what I could do about it, given that I'm not overweight and am very fit, and he looked seriously at me for a while and then suggested I take up swimming instead!

But, if I may say so, sweaty blokes are not as bad as unwashed mitts. I sparred someone once whose mitts smelt like a mix of sick and cheese.....bleugh.

Shodan · 23/07/2010 21:46

Fluffy re: black belts. In our club all black belts, except for the senior senseis, are graded by our senior senseis at a national grading. The senior senseis (there are three) are graded elsewhere. (I can't remember offhand where, my sensei did tell us in great detail of his latest grading, but I was more focussed on the grim-sounding nature of the whole thing). All black belts, from 1st dan up, are registered with NAKMAS. So there is a national standard there, I guess.

Also, wrt training while pregnant- I mentioned earlier that I trained all the way through my pregnancy. If you don't have any medical issues and your sensei and fellow students are fully aware of your condition and are happy to accommodate you, then training can actually be really good for you- with the appropriate modifications, of course. Certainly I suffered far less with stitch pain, my stomach muscles etc knitted back far faster than the first time and generally I recovered much quicker.

RubberDuck- I also do that imaginary scenario thing too! But so does my friend at karate, and we even have a joke about it -"We could 'ave 'im". Those outside the MA world don't undersatnd at all, do they?

One thing I'm really starting to get the hang of now (which is very useful when sparring fellow students and more especially vicious senseis) is recognising the 'tell'- you know, where you can recognise what's coming your way? For e.g, one sensei, who has a wicked spinning back hook kick, tends to give a sort of little hop on his back foot before spinning. Of course, the newbies are much easier- flailing arms like a bird about to take off sound familiar??

ViveLaFrak · 23/07/2010 20:38

Ah but I'm in a DOM, fluffy. I could do, and did, judo in Paris, here is kickboxing/savate. DH has forbidden me from savate because they have no sense of appropriate contact.

gomummy · 23/07/2010 20:16

Same here RubberDuck with the teaching requirement...I don't mind teaching them but so dislike sparring with the newbies; teenage boys in particular actually!

RubberDuck · 23/07/2010 18:13

Yeah - it's a bit of an eye opener isn't it, when you realise the reality of what force to expect. It's a timely reminder once you start veering into over-confidence.

Heh, yes to sweaty. Mind, I've been having probs in that area myself and have been through about 3 different brands of deodorants to try and find one that actually works

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Meglet · 23/07/2010 18:01

rubberduck all the time . We also do knife defence and self defence so I like to think I have a slightly better chance of dealing with an attacker. TBH until I started kickboxing I never knew what it would feel like to be hit or (pretend) attacked, now I know the full force of it and have a rough idea what to do I get spooked thinking how vulnerable I used to be.

Can we also mention sweaty blokes too. I do not like being paired up with someone sweaty.

RubberDuck · 23/07/2010 17:52

(and actually, taking over responsibility to teach the lower ranks is actually a requirement of our higher gradings)

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RubberDuck · 23/07/2010 17:48

I guess I just see it as we were all newbies once and it's part of my duty to help guide them in the right direction

Even a year down the line, I can still remember how utterly intimidating it was to walk into a room where everyone else knew exactly what they were doing. There was just so much to remember and try and get right. I was that flustered flailing person once!!

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Batteryhuman · 23/07/2010 17:28

Good thread. I took up Wado Ryu Karate aged 40 and am now 3rd kyu (first of the 3 brown belts in this style). Currently I have lost a bit of motivation and need to get back to regular training. I miss the toned arms (no bingo wings in karate!).

I agree with those who hate sparring with newbies especially the blokes who don't want to be hit by a woman and take a (gentle) tap as a reason to start flailing around.

RubberDuck · 23/07/2010 17:08

Do you find that you end up working out scenarios as you're walking along out and about? I'm forever thinking, well if that person walking towards me gets nasty, then I could do this, that and then the other then LEG IT. I've mentioned it to some non-MA friends and they've looked absolutely horrified and assumed that I'm just extremely paranoid!

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Meglet · 23/07/2010 17:01

rubberduck Totally right about getting used to being hit. Very scary the first few times, and I don't like my nose being hit at all, but makes me feel less vulnerable when I'm out and about as I'd hopefully be able to fight back, or run away faster than most thugs can run.

RubberDuck · 23/07/2010 16:53

Oh I quite like training with newbies - I learn much more when I'm having to explain something to someone else and it's a confidence boost to see how far you've come since you've started. There's the occasional bad attitude, but then Sifu tends to keep an eye in those situations.

I also think there's cases of being over reliant on protection and I'm surprised it's being used in non-combat normal training situations. It's a mark of respect to work on the basis of "if you can touch, you can hit" and it's good to learn the control. There's a time and a place to go all out.

It's a shock to get hit without protection, but you don't have padding on the street - I know I can take a hit, and I won't be as shocked next time. More importantly, if I'm attacked and get hit, then there's a better chance that I won't freeze in shock.

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FluffyDonkey · 23/07/2010 15:11

Agree Meglet- hate fighting newbies. Even women cos I find they don't try to control anything and just panic and lash out. Or moan if you touch them.

One of my pet hates is people wearing jewellery whilst training. I kindly pointed out to a newbie that she shouldn't wear earrings and she said no one should hit her in the head I gently explained that kiminos can get caught easily and it might be someone she's not working with that accidently hits her head. It didn't work.

Mind you, that same white belt, when we gently told her that this was a black belt training session turned up the next week with a black belt . Coach told her she couldn't wear it again

Good news about the training during the first few months - would definately need to avoid all contact. What worries me is that we often work in pairs, and I think I'd be scared of being hit....will worry more when the time comes I think!

RubberDuck · 23/07/2010 15:10

Yeah you're right about the newbie thing - eventually they learn that technique is required as well as brute force and they calm down a little

CRAP license - just realised mine's due! That was a timely reminder!!!!

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Meglet · 23/07/2010 14:46

I find the worst blokes to fight with are the newbies, they seem to want to prove themselves fighting a woman and try and get heavy handed. I love fighting the black belts as they just block everything I throw at them which winds me up so I get really narky and try and hit / kick them back.... I rarely landed anything on them.

Might be better at it now I have kids, more aggression to get out?

fluffy I managed to train until 20 weeks pregnant and only stopped as my licence ran out. My teacher just let me do whatever I felt comfortable with (certainly NO contact). Everyone else would be doing 30 push ups and I did a couple, lots of gentle pad work too. I loved having my belt tied under my bump.

FluffyDonkey · 23/07/2010 14:38

Good initiative!

I've been doing karate (shotokhan) for 5 years and am currently 1st Dan but going for my 2nd Dan in December.

Also in France Vive but haven't had any trouble finding a karate club! (and in the same place there's also judo, ju jitsu, krav maga, kickboxing....)

Don't have any DC yet but can see that'll I'll have to stop for a while when pregnant. So will be training hard for the 2nd Dan whilst I'm still able!

Our club has very few women, and is full on contact. Sometimes the blokes don't realise their strength, sometimes they're just showing off (especially if they're not black belt - they don't appreciate a woman being better than them!). Protection is most definately needed, even when we're not sparring but just working together.

Question about black belt - I got my 1st Dan in France, where the exam is held by the French Karate Association, and they are the only institution to be able to give you a black belt. Is it the same in the UK? Or can your club give you your black belt? If so, how do you know the standards are the same?

Meglet · 23/07/2010 14:33

oooh, good idea for a thread.

Kickboxing here, since 1999, although I haven't been in 4 years due to having babies. Funnily enough I was in touch with my teacher at the start of the week as I am going to go back in the Autumn. Roll on shuttle runs, push ups and arm / leg blocks. .

I managed to get to purple belt, only brown and black to go but TBH I don't have the balls to go any further, or the time to train.

We do full contact fighting. I competed a couple of times but never won a fight .

RubberDuck · 23/07/2010 14:29

Erm, I mean wrist grab not wrist lock. I'm clearly half asleep at the moment.

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