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Care at home, not sure if it’s the right care, so drained by it all.

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CateyeKate · 08/07/2026 10:48

Sorry, this may be a long ramble and I apologise in advance but looking for advice or others lived experiences with this kind of thing.

My mum is 83 and has advancing Alzheimer’s. She lives at home with our 85 year old dad who does his very best but at the same time he is very stubborn and difficult to deal with (I have written about him in the past).

All was going ok (ish) until this time last year when mum fell in the garden, splitting her forehead open, dislocating her knee, breaking her hand and worse still, fracturing her neck. The doctors at hospital gave a depressing prognosis and we were expecting her to die within hours but she didn’t (poor mum has a strong will to carry on). She ended up in a hospital ward which was so detrimental for her dementia. She went into hospital fully continent but obviously there is no one to one care and because the smash to her head caused concussion she couldn’t tell them she needed to go so would let her soil the bed and then just clean her up. This was fine for them as they have staff on hand but it has been an absolute nightmare for us because she has been double incontinent ever since.

She was discharged a month later with an at home discharge care package for a month. This lasted two weeks and we had to let them go, they would turn up at all times of the day, sometimes not coming until 11am for the first visit then 11pm for the last, or coming early and putting mum to bed at 5pm and there were a few occasions when they didn’t turn up at all. We had to get mum’s previous carer in (she used to come every morning and help mum shower), she was happy to come back onboard but only wanted to do the morning visit Mon-Fri and wasn’t confident doing it on her own so we agreed she could come with a carer friend (I know this lady). So we then had to scrap around finding someone for an afternoon visit, evening and weekend care. Tbh, it needed to be done quickly and in hindsight we went about it all the wrong way, we should have gone with a care company but my friend knew a friend etc and so on top of the two morning carers we have ended up we a group of 4 other people who are all self employed but come together to work on occasions. They are all lovely people and whilst mum was bedbound and we genuinely thought she didn’t have long left it worked well but over the months mum started to pull out from this concussion type situation where her dementia seemed to have greatly exacerbated, she was able to walk (aided) with a frame to and from the bedroom, bathroom and lounge and was able to sit in her recliner chair in the lounge every day and that has now become her daily routine. The first two carers come every morning, toilet her, shower and dress her and take her to sit in her recliner. The next visit is around 2pm when two of the other carers come and take mum to the toilet and change her pull up (she has often soiled herself or needs the loo), then the same two come around 7.30pm, toilet mum and put her to bed.

My sister and I come round all the time and help with everything apart from the personal care.

Before this disaster mum was going to a day centre twice a week where she flourished. Dad is very tight with money (always has been) and hated spending money for this but after much perseverance we managed to get him to agree mum could go back once a week, my sister and I were very concerned how boring it must be for her sitting in her chair day in and day out. So she went back once a week from last October, the lovely ladies there come and collect her and bring her back. This gives mum a different change of scenery and dad some hours to himself. Sadly, in January of this year mum ended up in hospital again due to an infection, which they never did get to the bottom of so I fought to get her out asap to avoid a repeat of last year’s disaster. Dad made a big song and dance that she shouldn’t go back to the day centre as it was costing him so much (£100 per day) and as her dementia is advanced now she probably doesn’t take anything in (this couldn’t be further from the truth) and he’s already spending a fortune on care. Admittedly it does cost a lot - two carers three times a day is costing just around £1000 per week.

However, we have managed to persuade him to agree for mum to go back and over the last few weeks she has been going every Friday.

The problem is that we don’t think it’s enough to occupy mum. Apart from this once a week ‘treat’ she is still just sitting in her recliner all day, every day and imo, looking throughly bored, she sleeps a lot which dad says is because she’s unwell but when I spend time with her I put music on YouTube and she sings and moves her feet around, dad just sticks day time crap on tv (often the bloody news) then potters about the garden and house and pops his head in now and then and inevitably she’s asleep, I mean who wouldn’t in that situation?. When I’m there I do also try to get her in her wheelchair and in the garden (although that has been tricky with these heatwaves). The other day I got her onto her frame and walked her up and down the hallway and she seemed so lifted and was quite animated. Poor mum cannot communicate since last years fall and only says a few words so I worry constantly that she is frustrated yet can’t say.

The carers are all wonderful but being self employed they need as much work as possible and they seem to come in, get the job done and leave asap to go do their next job. They never ask my dad if there is anything else he wants help with or offer to make a drink or some lunch etc. My concern also is they often charge for an hours work when in all honesty they’ve only done, say 40 mins. Also the two how come in the mornings work the exact same hours yet one puts in the exact time she’s worked but the other rounds everything off to the nearest hour so we end up paying her more per month than the other yet they work exactly the same time. I know we need to say something but it’s awkward as they are friends of my best friend.

Is this all normal for care? It’s something way out of our life experiences and we are not sure if we should be asking for more? My sister and I want try a care agency because having so many fingers in the pie as such is quite exhausting. I have some carers requesting payment monthly yet others want it weekly, I did say the other week I wanted to pay everyone monthly but some made a fuss and said they only want to be paid weekly. Also one of the morning carers goes on holiday a lot so we are always having to ask the others to cover her. I don’t know what to do tbh, dad is elderly and gets confused with it all, my sister works full time and I have my own health issues I’m trying to deal with. It’s all so very stressful.

In an ideal world we would find mum a lovely local care home but dad will have non of that, he won’t even agree to respite care so I’m thinking do we stay as we are and limp long but then poor mum is just stuck in the lounge most days or do we get a care company in?

It’s all so so draining, mum was diagnosed 8 very long years ago. I truly hate dementia and the ripple effect it has on everyone.

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CateyeKate · 30/07/2026 09:23

Victorius19 · 29/07/2026 14:27

If they're this resistant OP, then I'd say it's the perfect time for you to take a complete step back during your recovery. Make it very clear that you can't do anything strenuous for at least 6 weeks after, and that you won't be available whatever happens. Then as awful as it sounds, you're having to going to either turn your phone off/onto silent mode and let them feel the consequences of their poor decision making.

Although it's coming from a place of love for your Mum, you're just enabling your Dad to keep making decisions that are in his best interests and not your Mums. And that has to change.

I do need to do this, I know 😟

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Victorius19 · 29/07/2026 14:27

If they're this resistant OP, then I'd say it's the perfect time for you to take a complete step back during your recovery. Make it very clear that you can't do anything strenuous for at least 6 weeks after, and that you won't be available whatever happens. Then as awful as it sounds, you're having to going to either turn your phone off/onto silent mode and let them feel the consequences of their poor decision making.

Although it's coming from a place of love for your Mum, you're just enabling your Dad to keep making decisions that are in his best interests and not your Mums. And that has to change.

CateyeKate · 29/07/2026 12:38

FoldUpShoes · 29/07/2026 11:44

How are things going ?

Have you put things in place before your operation ?

I’m trying but my dad keeps stalling. I was hoping mum could go into respite for at least the first two weeks but dad keeps saying they will bump along fine. My sister seems to think I’ll only be off a few weeks as it’s a laparoscopic hysterectomy, I work for her two days a week helping with her cleaning business so not a desk or sedentary job, I’ve explained it will be at least a month, if not more. My dh says I should just leave them to it. It’s difficult though.

I will be looking after mum tomorrow so will have a word with the carers when they come round. I’ll explain the situation and see if they can visit more often whilst I’m recovering.

My op isn’t until October so I have a while to push things.

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FoldUpShoes · 29/07/2026 11:44

How are things going ?

Have you put things in place before your operation ?

CateyeKate · 29/07/2026 10:39

Sorry, we don't live in that area.

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Wofflewaffle · 22/07/2026 08:47

rookiemere · 21/07/2026 09:06

@LeaveMeBeewhat happens in that scenario if there is no family?

The short answer is that carers or support workers can be paid to do these things - noting down shopping that’s needed and even doing the shopping - but it would have to be part of a care package and ss would only take it on if family really weren’t willing to do any of this.

If any family member has POA for the elderly person, they have to get involved to some extent, even if it’s just making decisions and signing off on spending at a distance - that’s the responsibility they have agreed to take on when they signed the POA.

If no family and no POA, and the elderly person is completely alone and has lost capacity, then ss can apply for deputyship which gives them access to their assets which can be spent on carers, support workers, care home etc If they don’t have any assets then ss will decide what they are willing to pay for. If the elderly person has no family, no POA but hasn’t lost capacity then (health permitting) they can decide to go / stay at home and wait for the next crisis, and so it goes.

This scenario doesn’t apply really for the OP. Her mum has a spouse, two daughters and an army of carers on hand. It’s organisation and effective management of the carers that’s lacking in this scenario.

@CateyeKate its interesting that you say you really hate confrontation: that’s not the impression I had of you from your posts at all! Maybe this explains why you are finding this some of this so hard: needing to confront your dad, confront the carers etc to try and get the best for your mum. You are doing a great job, please look after yourself in this too.

Nofeckingway · 21/07/2026 21:07

Ask them to text you .

ScaryM0nster · 21/07/2026 20:19

CateyeKate · 21/07/2026 08:45

No, it’s not part of mums repeat prescriptions, she is on a lot of meds and I organise all of those to be delivered to the house every month and I ensure these are never low, however the GP won’t prescribe items such as ibuprofen or aqua max as they are cheap enough to buy off the shelf.

I absolutely take onboard that these items and other personal products such as toothpaste etc are down to us as the family to remember to purchase but I can’t always remember everything. I’m not there every single day and I am not using those products on mum myself (these are products the carers use) so I’m sometimes unaware when these items are getting low. It just slightly annoying that they are aware they are getting to the bottom of a jar or tube of something but they can’t just give one of us a heads up or jot it down on the communication notepad. Dad can’t get out himself unless my sister or I sit with mum, so I organise everything else or he’ll purchase items when he goes shopping every week but he’s 85 and can’t remember everything.

As I say, when I am working I am a PA for disabled people and I always made a note to let parents or carers know when the client was low on the items they use frequently, whatever that was. Our carers charge £26 per hour and imo do the bare minimum, surely a shout out when something is running out is not too much to ask?

Regardless or our current situation, when we do change over to an agency this will definitely be something that I will be asking the new carers to keep a frequent check over especially once I’ve had my op as I will be unable to visit as frequently as I do right now.

It sounds like you’re a great PA. And that youve got a good relationship with your clients.

Your current carers are evidently ones who take a bare minimum approach, but the way they’re being managed is a big part of the problem. Some people will appreciate reminders, others will feel it’s interfering. Unless it’s been agreed there's no way to know which it is. Without a task list there is also no way to know when there’s a pool whether anyone has done it.

Your dad might not be keen on having someone there all day every day, if that’s a concern then multiple longer visits may be a solution.

rookiemere · 21/07/2026 09:06

@LeaveMeBeewhat happens in that scenario if there is no family?

CateyeKate · 21/07/2026 08:45

LeaveMeBee · 21/07/2026 08:25

Ah see this I would see as it's on you as the family to organise repeat prescriptions. They would expect the next new tube of gel to be available.

Is your Dad able to get out to the chemist? Or if not then you need to arrange regular deliveries from the local chemist so that her medication is always available.

I have worked for a care agency and we have nightmares with some relatives not ordering medication on time despite saying they will.
It can be meds that aren't meant to be stopped abruptly and despite letting them know when things are running low, they just don't prioritise it and then there's a gap in the dosing for which we have to seek medical advice.

No, it’s not part of mums repeat prescriptions, she is on a lot of meds and I organise all of those to be delivered to the house every month and I ensure these are never low, however the GP won’t prescribe items such as ibuprofen or aqua max as they are cheap enough to buy off the shelf.

I absolutely take onboard that these items and other personal products such as toothpaste etc are down to us as the family to remember to purchase but I can’t always remember everything. I’m not there every single day and I am not using those products on mum myself (these are products the carers use) so I’m sometimes unaware when these items are getting low. It just slightly annoying that they are aware they are getting to the bottom of a jar or tube of something but they can’t just give one of us a heads up or jot it down on the communication notepad. Dad can’t get out himself unless my sister or I sit with mum, so I organise everything else or he’ll purchase items when he goes shopping every week but he’s 85 and can’t remember everything.

As I say, when I am working I am a PA for disabled people and I always made a note to let parents or carers know when the client was low on the items they use frequently, whatever that was. Our carers charge £26 per hour and imo do the bare minimum, surely a shout out when something is running out is not too much to ask?

Regardless or our current situation, when we do change over to an agency this will definitely be something that I will be asking the new carers to keep a frequent check over especially once I’ve had my op as I will be unable to visit as frequently as I do right now.

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LeaveMeBee · 21/07/2026 08:25

CateyeKate · 20/07/2026 16:11

I think this may be the point we have arrived at where we have no choice but to change things.

I absolutely need everything in place before my surgery though as I can’t have him ringing me panicking all the time as he usually does. This morning it was due to the fact the carers have run out of mum’s ibuprofen gel (they all have form for letting things run out before letting us know!) and he was stressing that I absolutely needed to go get some this afternoon, so there I am rushing about after work only to find them both fast asleep in the living room and dad getting angry with me when I woke them up upon arrival. I can’t win some days.

Ah see this I would see as it's on you as the family to organise repeat prescriptions. They would expect the next new tube of gel to be available.

Is your Dad able to get out to the chemist? Or if not then you need to arrange regular deliveries from the local chemist so that her medication is always available.

I have worked for a care agency and we have nightmares with some relatives not ordering medication on time despite saying they will.
It can be meds that aren't meant to be stopped abruptly and despite letting them know when things are running low, they just don't prioritise it and then there's a gap in the dosing for which we have to seek medical advice.

CateyeKate · 20/07/2026 20:30

rookiemere · 20/07/2026 18:20

I know this is easy to say and very,very hard to enact but the only thing you have control over is your own response.

Right now your DPs are paying for £1000 of care per week. Granted it sounds like the care is far from perfect but in the scenario where your DF didn’t phone you then surely they would have found a solution i.e. one of them going to the chemist in their paid time and getting the ibuprofen. Obviously that’s a lot more work on their side than simply phoning you, but it does exist.

I would make your DF, your Dsis and the carers aware that for the first 2-3 weeks ( or however long is advised) after your hysterectomy you will not be answering your phone as you have to prioritise your own recovery and cannot drive or do anything anyway. I would tell them now, and repeat the message closer to the time.If your DF decides to get new carers in the intervening period, tell them too.

I would mute calls from their numbers or indeed block the numbers, except perhaps your Dsis for genuine emergencies. Your DM will get good enough care without you there, or your DF will put her in respite care. He is more likely to do the latter if he realises that you absolutely won’t- because you can’t - step in.

I’m hoping we can persuade dad to agree to full day care at home with a care agency for at least 2-3 weeks when I’m at home recovering. That’s the plan we are trying to put in place asap.

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CateyeKate · 20/07/2026 20:27

ScaryM0nster · 20/07/2026 19:04

Managing medication supplies isn’t necessarily something that carers would typically do - so when you review things it’s worth getting quite specific about who manages stock monitoring and ordering of what. It might be a once a week type task on a care arrangement agreement.

I do appreciate that but it would be nice for them to give us a heads up when they are squeezing the last remains from a tube or scraping out the last bits from a tub of something. They do this all the time so I’ve had to tripled the supplies of everything in the house (toothpaste, deodorant, shower gel etc).

When I was a PA for disabled people I would always gently remind my clinets when they were running out of products and food etc. It’s only a small thing but really helps when people are struggling with so many other aspects of their lives.

Again this is why we (sister and I) want to go with an agency now and issues such as this will be at the top of our list of questions to ask when we have assessments with the care companies.

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ScaryM0nster · 20/07/2026 19:04

Managing medication supplies isn’t necessarily something that carers would typically do - so when you review things it’s worth getting quite specific about who manages stock monitoring and ordering of what. It might be a once a week type task on a care arrangement agreement.

rookiemere · 20/07/2026 18:20

I know this is easy to say and very,very hard to enact but the only thing you have control over is your own response.

Right now your DPs are paying for £1000 of care per week. Granted it sounds like the care is far from perfect but in the scenario where your DF didn’t phone you then surely they would have found a solution i.e. one of them going to the chemist in their paid time and getting the ibuprofen. Obviously that’s a lot more work on their side than simply phoning you, but it does exist.

I would make your DF, your Dsis and the carers aware that for the first 2-3 weeks ( or however long is advised) after your hysterectomy you will not be answering your phone as you have to prioritise your own recovery and cannot drive or do anything anyway. I would tell them now, and repeat the message closer to the time.If your DF decides to get new carers in the intervening period, tell them too.

I would mute calls from their numbers or indeed block the numbers, except perhaps your Dsis for genuine emergencies. Your DM will get good enough care without you there, or your DF will put her in respite care. He is more likely to do the latter if he realises that you absolutely won’t- because you can’t - step in.

CateyeKate · 20/07/2026 16:11

Victorius19 · 19/07/2026 15:27

It may do your Dad good to see what happens when you're less involved, and don't go rushing back to enable him. Take your full 6 weeks to recover. Often it comes to reaching a crisis before change can happen.

I think this may be the point we have arrived at where we have no choice but to change things.

I absolutely need everything in place before my surgery though as I can’t have him ringing me panicking all the time as he usually does. This morning it was due to the fact the carers have run out of mum’s ibuprofen gel (they all have form for letting things run out before letting us know!) and he was stressing that I absolutely needed to go get some this afternoon, so there I am rushing about after work only to find them both fast asleep in the living room and dad getting angry with me when I woke them up upon arrival. I can’t win some days.

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Victorius19 · 19/07/2026 15:27

It may do your Dad good to see what happens when you're less involved, and don't go rushing back to enable him. Take your full 6 weeks to recover. Often it comes to reaching a crisis before change can happen.

CateyeKate · 19/07/2026 10:09

Thanks everyone. I’m getting a little bit nearer to dad agreeing to something. I am due a hysterectomy soon, had my pre-op the other day. Dad knows that I will need a few weeks rest after so is ‘considering’ agreeing to some full day home care rather than the current situation. My sister works full time so will be unable to go and see them in the day whilst I recover, so he will need something, even if it’s just a few weeks respite day care.

I’m hoping this will give him a taster of the kind of care he could be getting for mum and the freedom it would allow him.

Here’s to hoping.

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thepariscrimefiles · 18/07/2026 14:02

CateyeKate · 10/07/2026 09:55

My dad definitely feels a strong sense of responsibility to keep mum at home and I know he just can’t imagine mum anywhere other than at the house they have shared for the last 55 years, my heart aches for him over that but the reality is without a huge amount of intervention from the carers, my sister and myself my dad just would not be capable of looking after mum’s full wellbeing at all. I am first point of call for everything, always have been, I do all their admin, liaise with all medical staff, order and arrange all of mum’s medications, attend all legal and financial appointments with dad, change sheets, wash and change towels, my sister does the remainder of the housework. Sadly, none of these things would get done if dad didn’t have the help from us, I once left the towels in his shower room (changed mum’s in her bathroom) just to see if he would notice and they were still there a month later, he also never even so much as wipes his toilet seat over, everything is a mess. If none of these things were done by us they would never get done.

He just doesn’t see the things that mum needs in order for her to be fully looked after. He prefers to spend most of his day in their large garden during the summer, never once thinks to bring mum in the garden with him (carers can easily get mum out there in her wheelchair) to give her a change of scenery, he thinks that popping his head in the lounge several times a day to make sure she’s ok is adequate but it really isn’t. She never asked to get dementia so why should she be left isolated.

I know that he would and will miss mum terribly if she needed to go in a home but I just can’t let mum’s future care fall by the wayside and place dad’s feelings first, I’ve been doing that since 2018. I appreciated his needs and have bent over backwards to accommodate his feelings these last 8 years since mum’s diagnosis.

I have contacted SS and they say they will get back asap, so we will see what’s happens next.

You sound like such a loving and caring daughter for both your parents. What does jumpsout at me though is that the decisions that your dad is making with regards to your mum's care and wellbeing are all based on not spending their savings, the majority of which came from your mum's inheritances. Your dad constantly puts his needs before those of your mum.

He may not necessarily be a bad person but he is a very selfish one and while the carers are the cheapest option, they are not necessarily the best option for your mum. This option is also the most stressful option for you as you need to do so much hands-on care to plug any gaps in your mum's care.

thepariscrimefiles · 18/07/2026 13:50

CateyeKate · 09/07/2026 07:52

Re:- POA, we are all listed, dad, my sister and I but dad is main attorney.

This is why I get so frustrated with dad when he moans how much money 'he' is spending on care, day centres etc because everything is paid for out from mum's accounts, her AA and pension. I point this out to him all the time but he sees mum's money as their money and as it's now dwindling he gets annoyed. He also worries if mum's savings are exhausted he will need to dip into his savings, I've told him that's not the case but he still stresses over this all the time. Twenty five years ago when my mum's parents died she was left a lot of money (mum is an only child) which they invested and I think my dad has become so used to seeing big figures in his statements that it now irks him because they are spending out so much money on carers etc. He believes because he's worked all his life they should be entitled to help, he says this all of the time. It's draining.

This is exactly why we have been pushing my dad for mum to now go into a care facility, she does far better at the day centre than at home, where there are many things going on:- there are the staff, other dementia patients, visual and auditory stimulation etc. She really does perk up during these times but dad can't see it, he simply says she is demented now and does care about this or that when I know that couldn't be further from.the truth. Take today for instance, I sit with mum every Thursday afternoon so dad can go out. When I get there you can almost bet your bottom dollar mum will be snoozing with the TV on some crappy day time channel, I will change it over to YouTube where I will find some music from.her youth (60's etc) and within minutes she is more alert and animated which goes to show mum is not sleeping, she is bored but dad just can't or won't acknowledge this.

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I think I remember some of your previous posts. I think that this was before your mum had a dementia diagnosis but she needed care for other reasons and your dad refused to use any of their savings to pay for help despite the fact that the bulk of their savings came from your mum's inheritances. He treated her money as his own.

He sounds life a very selfish and self-centred man.

Nofeckingway · 18/07/2026 13:46

Could you possibly arrange for your mother to go to a good care home of your choice for respite ? Present this as a case of your father needing a break and not as her leaving for good . We did this with an uncle and his wife was so happy when she saw him actually enjoying the social part and even his appetite improved . So much so that she started to make enquiries about a possiblity of her joining him if she needed to .
Just wondering if there is such a thing as double rooms in Care homes ? Think the thought of being separated scares a lot of older people . Plus their image of homes can be so negative, comparing to the old fashioned places like workhouses .

bafta16 · 18/07/2026 13:30

Cognitive decline, pain, dementia, putting on a good show. This was my parents. They could pull it right out of the bag when it suited.

I can honestly say I spent the best part of 20 precious years "worrying".
Please don't make that mistake.

CateyeKate · 14/07/2026 18:21

DemonsandMosquitoes · 14/07/2026 16:25

Understandably. Then make different choices.

It’s really easier said than done.

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DemonsandMosquitoes · 14/07/2026 16:25

CateyeKate · 14/07/2026 07:28

I don't want to live with either.

Understandably. Then make different choices.

CateyeKate · 14/07/2026 07:28

DemonsandMosquitoes · 13/07/2026 20:30

SIL lived next door to MIL. She made a different choice and is reaping the benefits. It can be done. I’d rather live with guilt than resentment.

I don't want to live with either.

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