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Mum - hospital to hospice - hospital Resisting referral

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Hospicehelp · 04/02/2026 09:16

I am at a loss as to what to do. I can’t get my mum into a hospice and I don’t know what to do.

My mum has had cancer for several years (breast, initially went to bones and Nov/Dec went extensively all over bones and several liver mets. The bone mets are so severe that the bones are disintegrating and breaking (leg broke).

hospital obviously, as usual, want discharge soon to get mums bed back

So her situation - bed bound (neither leg works, one broken and reinforced with metal but won’t ever heal, the other full of cancer, painful. She’s totally immobile and bed bound - has catheter and poos the bed, requiring 2 hospital staff to clean up. They wash her in bed. They change the sheets by rolligm
wkth her still on the bed. She slips down the bed and has to be repositioned by 2 staff using a special slide sheet. She’s totally bed bound. She’s on lots of medication. Constant morphine from syringe driver. Has not been able to eat/exist without retching and vomiting since Nov/Dec so is on anti sickness meds. Also steroids every day since Dec and a whole load of other meds. Laxative, fortified stuff etc. Also had a bit of blood transfused yesterday. She sleeps most of day and night. she can still eat (the drugs enable this) and aside from small bouts of confusion from calcium levels, she is 100% mentally there. She’s nearly 80.

the palliative care nurse was very cagey but seemed not to want my mum to go to the hospice. Talk of discharging her home (lives alone) seems utterly double think ridiculous. She is getting 24/7 help in hospital from staff and from visitors if she can’t get her hands to the call bell (my sister slept on a chair in hospital last night with her).

why won’t they refer my mum to the hospice? We are happy for her to be in hospital or hospice due to the care needed. It seems abusive to try and put somoen like this to their home, alone, with many (quite unreliable) visits. I think a hospice referral , to go on their waiting list and wait in hospital would be the best thing for her. When the hospice initially took her onto their patient list in December, they told her the hospice was lovely and would she like to die there and she said yes she would. why now are they trying to back out? The nurse is coming again today to see her in hospital. The hospice worker who was our assigned visitor/support and had been helping with meds hasn’t returned my call. Presumably as dm is a hospital inpatient.

The nurse keeps referring to an “alternative place of care” presumably a nursing home, which my mum stated at the outset she didn’t want. And it shouldn’t be necessary because me and my siblings (there’s 5 of us so we have been able to do it) have had a rota of staying with her at home, before this current admission. Even if we carried on, which we are willing to, the level of care required is too severe.

what can I do? Why won’t they help her?

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Hospicehelp · 04/02/2026 11:17

To answer a pp, the blood transfusions are one unit and they are for symptom relief so they aren’t prolonging life I don’t think. She’s having another one now.

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TwinklyHazelRaven · 04/02/2026 11:08

@Octavia64 just to flag that "hospices are for those within days of death" isn't always the case - both the hospices i worked in took people in for symptom management, as getting on top of symptoms is sometimes better in a supported environment especially where there is psychological distress/family challenges (eg.young children at home) on top; we also discharged plenty of people home from hospice who'd been transferred from hospital simply because actually predicting end of life is very tricky,its easy to get wrong. Sometimes people just need a calm,supported environment rather than the stress of a hospital ward....but this does mean we also transferred people to nursing homes, as they became stable and not imminently end of life. Hospice criteria and services vary hugely across the country as a result of their charitable nature and origins ( likewise charities like Macmillan, Marie Curie may have a larger or smaller presence and services depending on area, which people don't always realise)

Mischance · 04/02/2026 11:05

Just for info, we had also had live-in care at home for a while but for a whole host of reasons this did not work out satisfactorily, so he moved to a NH.

Mischance · 04/02/2026 11:04

Nursing homes can be really good. The one where my OH died nursed him with gentleness and love during his last weeks. He weighed next to nothing and was a bundle of bones, but did not get a single pressure sore.

It did however cost an arm and a leg and I had to sell my home to cover the cost. The LA did contribute in the end, but my "top-up" amount was about 5 x their contribution, as it was a very expensive home - but we got what we paid for: excellent care in a lovely environment.

Subsequently I got Continuing Health Care Funding on appeal after he had died.

HereintheloveofChristIstand · 04/02/2026 10:56

Your poor mum, she deserves way better than this.
We had my gran at home on EOL care - it did only take 10 days but it was brutal. She needed round the clock care that we weren't equipped to give and we had to call the nurses all hours of the night.
She deserves a hospice space.

DemonsandMosquitoes · 04/02/2026 10:55

BlueLegume · 04/02/2026 10:01

@Hospicehelp sorry to hear of your situation. What I am about to say will not sit well with some posters on here but I do speak from experience. Your DM may not want to go into a nursing home and you may be willing as a family to support her. The reality at this stage is she needs full time nursing care and I very much doubt all 5 siblings are qualified to provide this. Short term maybe but longer term it is not feasible. Nursing homes are great places as the staff do all the bits that are not so nice such as cleaning up incontinence situations and feeding the residents, showering them etc. This means family can spend what time is left enjoying time with your DM. I have said this many times but there comes a point where what an elderly person needs has to trump what they say they want.

This x 1000.

user37597473785 · 04/02/2026 10:49

The nursing home my relative died in was wonderful - they had a corridor that was pretty much a hospice/hospital.
I don’t think you can provide the level of care she needs at home anymore.

TwinklyHazelRaven · 04/02/2026 10:46

Hospicehelp · 04/02/2026 09:39

My mum was give 4-6 weeks to live, 6 weeks ago
i don’t understand how she doesn’t meet criteria?

Ex hospice worker here - i am so sorry you are going through this. I just want to flag a few things that can be relevant

  1. hospices have a tiny number of beds in comparison to the population they serve (and many hospices are in financial trouble due to reducing charity donations)so its always luck of the draw and a need to prioritise bed management in terms of who gets these - sadly the vast majority of older adults will have needs that mean they still either die in hospital or nursing home, if a hospice bed isn't available at the right time or hospice at home services are not available in your area.
  2. It's not possible to ever "promise " a bed in hospice - we tend to talk patients through their wishes of where they want to die and record them , so your mum would have likely expressed it as an option, but no one is ever promised they "will" have a bed there unless its very specific planned circumstances .I know from my own experience that our patients can find this very difficult, especially when we have known them for a long time .
  3. postcode lottery - services vary hugely so i would suggest you sit down with the hospital palliative care team and talk it through and specifically ask them why is hospice not an option - hospital palliative care services are separate from hospice palliative care services but in most areas there are links eg. NHS palliative care consultant working across both the hospital and hospice who is the ultimate decision maker for transferring patients across. Some areas have specific bed arrangements with nursing homes that offer a end of life service within that setting.
$. I would also question them as to what are the aims of current treatment - eg, why is she receiving a blood transfusion ; why is she still on "loads of medication"? if she is actually dying and near end of life then active treatment starts to become unnecessary and only prolonging the situation, so the fact they are still doing eg. blood transfusions is quite confusing for me and suggests she is not necessarily viewed as end of life?
BeaTwix · 04/02/2026 10:46

Can I sugguest you need to put your misconceptions aside about nursing homes and go and have a look at one. I'm sorry you are in this position - it's crap.

The nursing home I have current experience of is really good. There is always an RGN on each section (it's divided into three sections) supported by carers. They give medictions. They manage manual handling really well and they welcome family members at all times (for those not in a terminal situation they expect us to leave by 8pm, but I know they would vary in this in an end of life situation).

They take care not only of the resident but the family too. They have lots of experience of death (and coralling unwilling demented people in!) and I've had sage advice from the staff (at all levels). And I've been really impressed by how they focus the person "it's their home now, if it's what they want we will have to deal with it).

EyeLevelStick · 04/02/2026 10:41

Look into the specific nursing home. My DM was discharged to her care home (not nursing home) and the end of life care she received from the staff was exemplary. The only issue was some delay in district nurse visits for injectable medicines, but this should not be an issue for a nursing home, with nurses.

I stayed with her for the 48 hours between her discharge and death, and there was never any suggestion that I shouldn’t.

FoamShrimps · 04/02/2026 10:36

Not all nursing homes are made equal OP, of course though it is scary when you’ve heard negative things

Hospicehelp · 04/02/2026 10:26

I’m just terrified re nursing home. There is one in my road and it has been in the news for abusing residents. It’s still open. Confused

plus the hospice lady told us we can stay with mum in the hospice whereas I can imagine nursing home will allow. We’ve been allowed to stay in hospital as she was put in a side room as they thought she could die that day, indeed that was their expectation

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Gall10 · 04/02/2026 10:08

It’s so sad to read what you mum & family are facing…I’m extremely sorry for you all. Please don’t dismiss a nursing home as a solution…many are well staffed with very experienced, caring staff who can look after your mum well.
Look up CQC ‘reviews’ of homes in your area or ask friends who may have had family in these places to perhaps help put your mind at rest.
Your mums needs are paramount and I hope you can get quality care asap.

Starlight1979 · 04/02/2026 10:01

Hospicehelp · 04/02/2026 09:54

I haven’t seen McMillan anywhere, not sure why, if they have no presence in our area. I’ll look it up

Definitely look them up. Honestly, they weren't brilliant at home visits (probably due to lack of resources) but once we were in the hospital / palliative stages then they were fantastic and advocated for us massively.

BlueLegume · 04/02/2026 10:01

@Hospicehelp sorry to hear of your situation. What I am about to say will not sit well with some posters on here but I do speak from experience. Your DM may not want to go into a nursing home and you may be willing as a family to support her. The reality at this stage is she needs full time nursing care and I very much doubt all 5 siblings are qualified to provide this. Short term maybe but longer term it is not feasible. Nursing homes are great places as the staff do all the bits that are not so nice such as cleaning up incontinence situations and feeding the residents, showering them etc. This means family can spend what time is left enjoying time with your DM. I have said this many times but there comes a point where what an elderly person needs has to trump what they say they want.

Starlight1979 · 04/02/2026 10:00

Octavia64 · 04/02/2026 09:49

bluntly:

hospices are for those within days of death

if they are full they are full and it doesn’t matter what they promised (my dad never got a space and died in hospital)

incontinent and requiring 24 hour care is not enough for hospice referral either she goes home with 24 hour care or she goes to a nursing home

I have disabled friends who do live at home in similar situations and have 24 hour care but social services will not fund it you need to pay privately,

if she needs 24 hour care and doesn’t have the money to fund it at home then her wishes do not matter if the state is funding it you get what they provide. Which is a nursing home.

Your first line is incorrect (having had a LOT of experience with hospices). They all have different criteria. I had a relative who was in a hospice for several weeks and then discharged for a period before he was re-admitted.

However your second comment is spot on. If they are full, they are full. And unfortunately - as harsh as it sounds - usually until people die (or are, occasionally discharged) then there isn't any way of "freeing" up beds.

WeepingAngelInTheTardis · 04/02/2026 09:58

Sorry forgot to add, speak to the hospice yourself and explain the situation. It my mother in laws GP who got her a place in the hospice in the end, he worked out of hours to get her a place as we could not meet her needs at home. District nurses weren’t very helpful. Speak to the ward sister & the doctor, does she have a DNR? This is vital to getting a place in a hospice too.
sorry about your mum x

rainbowunicorn22 · 04/02/2026 09:58

If she came home with a full care package, it does not always work out. I know this through my late FIL who was promised full care package but most of the time they did not turn up, which I know from talking to other people is not unusual. hence after an emergency he was admitted back to hospital.
a nursing home is not ideal for someone as poorly as your mum. FIL ended up in one but they are busy and do not always have full qualified nurses who can give your mum the things she would need.
i wish i could wave a magic wand but all I would suggest is
keep trying the hospice nurse. maybe ring the hospice direct and ask to speak to someone as the original person may be off for some reason
get in touch with Macmillan nurses they may be able to offer some advice that will help you and support you
i have a feeling as you have willing family they are stepping back to let you get on with it.
sending love to you all x

WeepingAngelInTheTardis · 04/02/2026 09:55

Hospice only accept people who are expected to live for two weeks maximum here, my MIL went to hospice but on day 13 they were on about putting her in a care home day 14 she passed.

Hospicehelp · 04/02/2026 09:54

Starlight1979 · 04/02/2026 09:48

We were in this exact situation and eventually the Macmillan team at our hospital were the ones who pushed it through. Does your mum have a Macmillan nurse OP? Or is there a team at the hospital you can speak to?

Ultimately I would say push, push, push. And keep pushing.

I haven’t seen McMillan anywhere, not sure why, if they have no presence in our area. I’ll look it up

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SleepingisanArt · 04/02/2026 09:53

The really good care home here has levels of care - they have a separate wing for palliative care. It's really calm and the staff are amazing. It is probably worth exploring what the nursing home can offer rather than just saying no to it.

Octavia64 · 04/02/2026 09:49

bluntly:

hospices are for those within days of death

if they are full they are full and it doesn’t matter what they promised (my dad never got a space and died in hospital)

incontinent and requiring 24 hour care is not enough for hospice referral either she goes home with 24 hour care or she goes to a nursing home

I have disabled friends who do live at home in similar situations and have 24 hour care but social services will not fund it you need to pay privately,

if she needs 24 hour care and doesn’t have the money to fund it at home then her wishes do not matter if the state is funding it you get what they provide. Which is a nursing home.

Starlight1979 · 04/02/2026 09:48

We were in this exact situation and eventually the Macmillan team at our hospital were the ones who pushed it through. Does your mum have a Macmillan nurse OP? Or is there a team at the hospital you can speak to?

Ultimately I would say push, push, push. And keep pushing.

itsthetea · 04/02/2026 09:47

Hospices are struggling to keep beds open - donations have fallen - maybes that’s the issue ?

PermanentTemporary · 04/02/2026 09:47

Ask what the criteria are - they vary. And they may try to evade the question, because it is t set in stone.

As I said, in my area it isn’t about the length of time left to live, it’s about how well managed the symptoms are. The hospice is still a medical centre with specialist doctors overseeing it, it’s not purely a place to die even though a lot of people do die during their admission.

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