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Difficult sibling and caring for parent- boundaries without unnecessary upset?

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wannabedogwoman · 15/09/2025 17:33

I'd be very grateful to hear experience or advice about how to retain boundaries/avoid self sacrifice when trying to help care for my elderly, recently widowed mother alongside a very difficult sibling in a way that minimises upset to our mother.

For context, my mother can do most day to day tasks for herself at the moment but cannot leave the house without help and needs a lot of help with household admin etc. Due to chronic health conditions she will definitely need more help over time. Currently I am doing all of the time consuming tasks (including weekly shopping, booking/attending many medical appointments, keeping on track of medication, household admin and organising her affairs after my father's death). I don't live nearby so do some of this from home and arrange my work/family around visiting her for at least one full day a week. Brother lives close by and pops in to check on her every few days but will not do anything time consuming. This is difficult for me but is manageable and I am starting to persuade mum to agree to some small changes to make better use of time for all of us (eg medication/shopping deliveries, paying bills by DD etc).I have started some discussions about finding out about possible external help for if/when she needs it and trying to help her to see this in a positive light (eg- if we organise another way to have some of the mundane tasks done, I will have time to take her out instead) and we've also discussed making some changes at home to help her be more independent. There could easily be a solution that we could all work with, at least for a few years.

The problem is that my brother is used manipulating our parents in to doing whatever he says, including doing a lot to help him even when they were not really well enough. He now expects that I will do the same so as well as helping mum he is putting pressure on me to do more to help him (including committing to regular child care, running errands etc). He also gets annoyed about changes I have made to make things easier and frequently tells mum that she should not have external help as 'family should look after one-another'. He is verbally aggressive when I disagree with him or say no to his demands which upsets mum. I think that his idea is that if he makes things unpleasant for me and upsetting for mum I will have no choice but to do as he says. Obviously this is distressing for mum. Whenever he has an outburst in front of her he calls in to apologise the next day and tells her how hard his life is (just general parenting/adulting stuff that we have all had to do). She always calls me afterwards to plead his case and ask me to 'just consider' doing more for him because she just wishes she could make things easier for him and she wants us to all get along. I have tried reasoning with him when he is calm but he is adamant that he is only asking me to do 'what any normal sister would want to do'. He has hinted that his stance on having external care for mum is essentially a bargaining tool- if I do more for him he will 'let' her consider this. Quite frankly if it were not for mum I would have absolutely minimal contact. But for now I am trying to find a way to make things more pleasant for mum and get her the care she needs without having to agree to give up what small amount of time I have left to myself.

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Elsvieta · 22/09/2025 17:52

wannabedogwoman · 22/09/2025 14:00

Thanks @Elsvieta I can see that I am going to have to allow Mum to get in difficulties with some things before she will go along with what I suggest/organise if Brother disagrees, Using your example of organising 'Jane' the cleaner I would need to be there when Jane arrived (or Mum would not let her in). Mum would say that it was unnecessary as she could clean for herself. I would remind her of the cleaning she can't manage herself and tell her I won't be doing it for her but Jane could. That first time Jane would do an excellent job and Mum would agree it's a good idea. She would tell Brother how great Jane is but Brother would tell her she shouldn't have agreed to it. Who knows who Jane is or whether she can be trusted? Why am I 'throwing Mum's money away' paying Jane? If I'm refusing to clean for her now, he will do it. He had no idea she needed help with cleaning- why was he not involved in the discussion? If he'd known, he would have offered to clean for her. In fact he's hurt that she didn't ask him. Why could that be- are we trying to push him out? If I'm refusing to do a bit of cleaning for my lovely Mum then he'll just have to do it. He would make some half hearted attempt at cleaning for few weeks then make lots of excuses. Mum will not want to risk upsetting or annoying Brother so will try to manage doing it herself. When I notice and try to get Jane back in to clean Mum will resist, as it's only a short term issue and Brother will be able to do it for her soon, he promised. The expectation will be that I will do it 'just for now' rather than bring Jane in and make Brother feel ousted. She may even ask me not to tell Brother that I've had to do it, in case he feels upset or criticised for not being able to do the cleaning for now. This is all based on his reactions to similar issues. I am trying to stand my ground but on some things I can see I will have to allow it to go wrong before she will admit that help is needed.

My god, your brother sounds like bloody hard work. But then your mother has spent decades allowing him to be - positively encouraging him to be, in fact. I know she's old and frail now, but she's been training him to be a colossal pain in YOUR backside since she wasn't, right? She's really just reaping what she's sown.

You're right, you have to let it go wrong - not just that, but decline to pick up the pieces when it does. Oh, db can't clean at the moment? Three choices then, mum - wait until he starts cleaning again, get the cleaner back, or he can arrange a cleaner he's happy with. Up to you! Or up to him, if he's taken responsibility for cleaning - one way or another, he ensures it's done.

You must have the patience of a saint - I would have stopped talking to him years ago. Good luck.

Flossflower · 22/09/2025 14:59

OP, does your brother hope that by not spending money, your mother will give him some or is he Planning on an inheritance?
You could tell him that you are trying to get people in to save you mother going into a home and spending money on fees.

wannabedogwoman · 22/09/2025 14:00

Thanks @Elsvieta I can see that I am going to have to allow Mum to get in difficulties with some things before she will go along with what I suggest/organise if Brother disagrees, Using your example of organising 'Jane' the cleaner I would need to be there when Jane arrived (or Mum would not let her in). Mum would say that it was unnecessary as she could clean for herself. I would remind her of the cleaning she can't manage herself and tell her I won't be doing it for her but Jane could. That first time Jane would do an excellent job and Mum would agree it's a good idea. She would tell Brother how great Jane is but Brother would tell her she shouldn't have agreed to it. Who knows who Jane is or whether she can be trusted? Why am I 'throwing Mum's money away' paying Jane? If I'm refusing to clean for her now, he will do it. He had no idea she needed help with cleaning- why was he not involved in the discussion? If he'd known, he would have offered to clean for her. In fact he's hurt that she didn't ask him. Why could that be- are we trying to push him out? If I'm refusing to do a bit of cleaning for my lovely Mum then he'll just have to do it. He would make some half hearted attempt at cleaning for few weeks then make lots of excuses. Mum will not want to risk upsetting or annoying Brother so will try to manage doing it herself. When I notice and try to get Jane back in to clean Mum will resist, as it's only a short term issue and Brother will be able to do it for her soon, he promised. The expectation will be that I will do it 'just for now' rather than bring Jane in and make Brother feel ousted. She may even ask me not to tell Brother that I've had to do it, in case he feels upset or criticised for not being able to do the cleaning for now. This is all based on his reactions to similar issues. I am trying to stand my ground but on some things I can see I will have to allow it to go wrong before she will admit that help is needed.

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Elsvieta · 19/09/2025 18:56

Sounds like you're doing really well - keep it up!

Can't you stop him interfering by just arranging the cleaner or whatever without mentioning it to him first? If he moans, ignore (or tell him he can either get over it, or do the cleaning himself). Same response to mum, if he persuades her to complain when there's nothing to complain about: "I'm not going to do your housework, so would you rather depend on DB, or leave it to Jane here?". If he's not paying, it's not his business - so don't respond to him as if it is. Stand firm!

wannabedogwoman · 19/09/2025 18:07

Flossflower · 19/09/2025 12:52

If your mother can’t leave the house, do you need to tell her when you are coming?
As your mother has enabled your brother for most of his life, I wouldn’t feel too charitable towards your mother, in respect of avoiding arguments in front of her. I agree with the other posters about treating your brother with grey rock.
Surely if things get too bad for your mother then social services may be involved for assessment but you have to be prepared to let things fail.
While your brother may not be a nice person, you have chosen to help your mother, you cannot expect him to spend his time helping her.

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Unfortunately I do usually need to tell mum (and remind her) when I plan to come as my visits are usually arranged around her medical appointments or dates that she wants to do something specific. She is thrown if I don't give her plenty of notice of her appointments etc, so I can't just turn up on the day and take her without warning her.
The problem is not that I expect Brother to do more for Mum (he probably should, as he has taken so much from her but I know he won't), but just that I want him to stop interfering when I try to find ways to make things easier, and to stop trying to use emotional blackmail/upsetting mum as a way to force me to run around after him as well as mum.
As of this week, I am simply refusing to engage with his demands and when mum has been complaining about how difficult things are for him I repeat 'That must be difficult. I know how hard it is to juggle work and family, I don't have any spare time either'. If that doesn't work, I will need to do as a pp suggested and tell mum I don't want to discuss him.

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Flossflower · 19/09/2025 12:52

If your mother can’t leave the house, do you need to tell her when you are coming?
As your mother has enabled your brother for most of his life, I wouldn’t feel too charitable towards your mother, in respect of avoiding arguments in front of her. I agree with the other posters about treating your brother with grey rock.
Surely if things get too bad for your mother then social services may be involved for assessment but you have to be prepared to let things fail.
While your brother may not be a nice person, you have chosen to help your mother, you cannot expect him to spend his time helping her.

wannabedogwoman · 19/09/2025 11:15

Thanks everyone. I've been doing what I suppose is a version of 'grey rock' for a while (since I tried to have a sensible discussion but was met with aggression). At the moment it's just annoying him- probably partly because as pp suggested he wants the attention and drama. He's been ramping up the complaints to Mum. I think I probably just need to keep refusing to engage but it's very difficult to do knowing that he shouts at/around mum when I do that. It all feels so unnecessary. I'm trying to avoid contact with him but Mum tells him when I'll be there and he often 'drops in'. Sorry, this has turned in to a bit of a rant. I just feel really sad that he seems determined to make her last few years stressful for me and her. It's very clear to me that she has enabled his man-child behaviour for years but I'd have expected that he should be able to see that she just needs calm and some happiness now

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WhenIAmKing · 18/09/2025 06:22

Definitely don’t call him out, that will just cause drama and also he won’t change. For these type of people drama is actually a good result because it forces you to keep engaging, keep discussing, and they think then they can persuade you or wear you down.

this is why grey rock works well - no drama, no discussion, just “I’m not going to do that for you”, “I’m not available to do that for you”, “I’m sure he can do that for himself” and nothing else that he can argue with.

Elsvieta · 17/09/2025 19:11

wannabedogwoman · 17/09/2025 18:23

Thanks thepariscrimefiles I know that you're quite right but I have been hoping that we would be able to get through my Mum's last few years without the distress that she will inevitably feel if/when I properly call him out on his behaviour. This sort of behaviour is not new for him; for all his adult life he has manipulated our parents in to feeling sorry for him, doing lots for him and generally enabling him to avoid taking any responsibility or facing any discomfort. With the benefit of hindsight, perhaps I should have called this out years ago but until recently it did not directly impact on me and I knew that it was very unlikely that anything I could say would make a difference.

So don't call him out; just ignore him and don't do things for him. And if he whines to mummy, ignore that too (but in a gentler way; obviously don't be harsh with her, but be firm about not discussing it). Maybe asking her if she'd rather be left in his sole care would do the trick. A few weeks of just not reacting to him (or her, if he gets her to interfere) will probably cool his jets. He'll soon learn it's not working any more.

wannabedogwoman · 17/09/2025 18:23

Thanks thepariscrimefiles I know that you're quite right but I have been hoping that we would be able to get through my Mum's last few years without the distress that she will inevitably feel if/when I properly call him out on his behaviour. This sort of behaviour is not new for him; for all his adult life he has manipulated our parents in to feeling sorry for him, doing lots for him and generally enabling him to avoid taking any responsibility or facing any discomfort. With the benefit of hindsight, perhaps I should have called this out years ago but until recently it did not directly impact on me and I knew that it was very unlikely that anything I could say would make a difference.

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thepariscrimefiles · 17/09/2025 13:16

Your brother is lazy and manipulative and completely out of order to expect you to help him with childcare under the guise of helping your mum.

The 'throwing things about', even only occasionally is abusive. It's obvious that he is the golden child who can do no wrong, and your mum will do anything to avoid upsetting him, including trying to guilt trip you into helping him.

Keep an eye on his behaviour and report to Social Services if he crosses a line. Refuse to do anything to help him with his child. He has no right to expect this when you are doing so much for your mum, despite living so much further away, and he is just 'popping in' but doing nothing practical to help.

Elsvieta · 15/09/2025 19:29

Keep on with the grey rocking and don't react to his tantrums. Come back to all of his requests with "Gosh, no, I'm far too busy for that - in fact I need you to do mum's shopping this week and take her to the doctor next week", or "Oh no, I'm swamped - in fact can you just come and do a tiny bit if DIY at my place?". He probably won't do what you ask, but it'll stop him asking you for stuff.

He's the one upsetting your mum, not you. Absolutely deliberately, because he knows that's the way to manipulate you. What a prick. So just draw a moratorium on discussing it with her at all - no exceptions. "Not discussing that mum. OK, Tuesday at ten for the doctor, be ready. Bye now".

wannabedogwoman · 15/09/2025 19:14

Thank you WhenIAmKing. I have stopped giving justifications for saying no, as you suggest, so I think I need to keep on with that. Your comments on specific wording are interesting- his requests/demands are always put in terms of 'helping' or 'just...' which does make it sound like a small request for a little bit of assistance. I'd not really thought of that as part of the issue. He also often refer to child-care requests as 'visiting' or facilitating mum's relationship with his child - which thinking about it makes it sound like something that's not really for his benefit. I will be much clearer in my wording.

I don't think mum's at any immediate physical danger from him- his aggression is verbal (with a bit of throwing things when he's 'upset') - it's more the stress and upset that I worry about. Unfortunately he is extremely good at manipulating people and I'm sure anyone he talks to about this will conclude that I am indeed a heartless cow and he just wants us to be a big happy family who take care of eachother. I would be willing to put up with that if he would stop upsetting mum and allow me to get on with my own life when I'm not helping her

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WhenIAmKing · 15/09/2025 18:16

We have slightly similar (although in my case my sister is pushy/manipulative/needy rather than aggressive).

I’ve found the grey rock technique really helpful, along with having a very clear and defined sense of what I am willing to do.

So any time he asks you say “I’m not going to do that.” If pushed for reasons or justifications, just say “I have my own life and priorities; I’m not available to help you with that”. Never give detailed explanations as he will argue or try to wear you down.

When he gets aggressive or bullying you say “Please don’t talk to me like that”, and when he continues you say “I’m ending the conversation and leaving now”. Never rise to it, but also never let him get away with it.

And with your mother just keep reiterating “I’m not going to do that for him. He can sort that out for himself”, again don’t enter into discussion about it. When she says she wants everybody to get along you can say “I think that’s unlikely while he’s constantly pressuring me to do things for him. We’d get on better if he accepted my answer is no”.

one thing I’ve found helpful is never talk about “helping out” or “errands” - those terms tend to sound normal, and like things a loving sister would do. Instead I always say “I won’t do that for her.” - it’s a subtle shift but constantly highlights that actually she just wants me to do stuff she doesn’t want to do for herself.

And if you’re worried about his behaviour around your mum call adult social services and flag her as a vulnerable adult.

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