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Think a care home is becoming inevitable for my DM

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nonevernotever · 12/07/2025 22:29

Going to be a long one afraid. She'll be 89 next month. She was always very fit and healthy until the first lockdown when she had a stroke that left her with a bit of weakness on her left side, lack of motivation/energy and she was diagnosed with mixed dementia a couple of years ago. She lives alone with carers visiting four times a day (only three times a day until her last hospital stay) to make food, help her take her medication and put her support stockings on and so on. She's just had a four week stay in hospital with a nasty bout of diverticulitis but has lost so much muscle mass and motivation that she's really wobbly even with a Zimmer . She can still shower herself but needs support to get there and is really struggling to dress/undress too. She's had an accident every day since she came home because she is struggling to get up from her chair without help. She fell down the stairs last weekend too. She won't let her carers help her shower or get dressed but wants me to help her the whole time. I'm currently spending an hour with her every morning getting her up, coming back mid afternoon to make sure she gets to the loo and then coming back to help her into her pyjamas. My sister is also more than pulling her weight and is the main person having to come down in the night if anything shows on the cameras, but we're both at the end of our tether and this clearly isn't sustainable.(Just in the last 7 weeks we've had three trips to a and e in an ambulance in addition to mum's hospital stay). We spoke to mum today about a care home on the grounds that we're not sure we will be able to keep her safe at home much longer (for example she wears a fall detector but when she fell down the stairs last week it didn't go off because she didn't fall from a height and she didn't think to press it, just lay in a crumpled heap on the stairs waiting for one of us to get there) and we 'd like her to still be able to enjoy the activities in the nursing home . She agreed immediately, but has looked so sad ever since that were feeling really guilty now, even though we know it's probably the solution. She has enough to fund 6-7 years in the good local home that she previously said was the one she wanted to go into if it came to it (she used to visit others in care homes all over our city, so knew most of them well) though it isn't on the council list. I don't even know what I'm looking for from this post. A hand hold? Validation? Or just practical advice on how to go about making the arrangements and helping mum to settle in and be happy when it will mean shedding most of her possessions, losing more independence and her cats having to come and live with us.

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chatgptsbestmate · 14/07/2025 05:46

Her house isn't suitable for her any longer

How about selling the house and moving her to warden controlled with 4 x care a day?

We tried Dad at home after a nasty fall and hospital stay but he (at 91) just couldn't cope with the stairs/steps/uneven slabs etc

I wouldn't do this. Moving will take a huge toll, and you would potentially have to move her AGAIN in a year or so, to a proper nursing home.

When my Mum died my Dad said he wanted to move to a retirement village. He was 78 at the time. We made this happen for him. It was quite horrendous, as we had to empty his house of 40 years worth of "stuff". Anyway, he was good there for a while, but now, at 83, he is immobile and sometimes incontinent, so it looks like we may have to move him again to a proper nursing home. Gah!

GnomeDePlume · 15/07/2025 13:04

Just as a small warning, do not be surprised if you see a certain amount of decline in your DM when she goes into a care home. The change of environment, change of the people around her will remove a lot of her coping strategies. Even if she takes a number of her own possessions with her they will be in different places, lighting will be different etc.

Some things we have found useful for DM (in no particular order):

  • dementia clock
  • stick ins labels - I label everything
  • book ends if there isnt a bookcase
  • clothes which can withstand the laundry (clothes are laundered at 60 degrees at DM's home)
  • vases
  • an electric fan
  • soft furnishings to personalise the room
nonevernotever · 14/07/2025 21:49

Thanks again - so much helpful advice here.

I think mum probably does have capacity still most of the time, but she sorted out a will and a power of attorney years ago.

She has an existing financial advisor and wants to consult him so that's why that element. I do want to make sure also that we know the best way to manage her money, particularly when the house is sold so that if possible she can maximise how long it will last her .

We are very lucky in so many ways - she hasn't disagreed with us about the move, and she brought it up herself this evening. I've been dropping it into every conversation since Saturday because she doesn't really remember anything, but this evening she asked me if I'd managed to book an appointment with her advisor yet. and the care home she likes is five minutes from her house and only about ten for my sister and I.

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Todayisanotherday1 · 14/07/2025 18:29

To add. It sounds like the only next step to keep her home is increase in care at home up to live in care. It also sounds like she might need to have an adapted bathroom or stair lift which I suspect would be needed for a live in carer to manage. That’s £10k as a ball park. You might buy her a bit more time but might not.
we went from short visits from local authority care via a hospital admission to privately funded live in care (upwards of £1100 per week) through an excelled nationwide agency.
Don’t feel any guilt at all, at the moment it sounds like your mum has capacity so this is all irrelevant if she won’t agree to it. Ensure POA etc all in place while she has capacity. We don’t and it makes life incredibly difficult and only manageable as I have access to her bank account as an extra signatory.

Todayisanotherday1 · 14/07/2025 18:21

Head on over to Cockroach Cafe, judgment free forum and so much good advice from people going through this. It’s been invaluable to me.

GnomeDePlume · 14/07/2025 18:09

nonevernotever · 14/07/2025 17:28

She does, but I thought attendance allowance stopped when you moved into a care home?

No, my DM's claim for attendance allowance was approved a couple of weeks ago, since she moved into her care home.

It isn't huge, around £110 per week at top rate.

GnomeDePlume · 14/07/2025 18:06

If your DM is self funding then it is between you/her and the care home. Nobody else gets a say in it.

Give them a call and arrange a visit. Obviously all depends on whether they have space. The care home will want to assess your DM's needs. They may want to speak with her GP.

With my DM, the hospital just wanted her gone. We could have been moving her into a skip, I don't think they would have cared so long as she was off their books.

The care home may prefer/insist that residents use a specific GP.

PinkPhonyClub · 14/07/2025 17:46

If you are self funding, which you are, you don’t need social services or even GP involvement at this stage as this is a private arrangement. Unless the home you pick is very close to her current house she will likely move to the GP that covers the home.

Once we had found a place the home sent out an assessor the next day. I think mainly to make sure we hadn’t been minimising his care needs. DF was then transported in the day after that.

unless there is an existing financial advisor or her finances are particularly complex you don’t necessarily need one.

As a self funder you can normally continue to get Attendance Allowance whilst in a home. DF was already getting at the higher level.

nonevernotever · 14/07/2025 17:28

She does, but I thought attendance allowance stopped when you moved into a care home?

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EducatingArti · 14/07/2025 17:24

Does she already get attendance allowance? She may well be able to get the higher rate when she goes into a care home.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 14/07/2025 17:12

businessflop25 · 13/07/2025 18:34

I’m going to go against the grain on this one. I don’t agree that a care home is her only option. I think you’re kidding yourself that they are nicer and safer than they are.
I have worked in the care sector for over 15 years and have seen the realities of these places. I now work in community based care - for good reason.

You need to get to the bottom of what is worrying her with regards showering with the carers and stress to her that you or your sister helping her is not an option. She needs to accept the carers help. Remind her that if she was in a care home this would be the situation. If she is prepared to accept it in a care home then why is she not accepting it at home.
You need to get her an occupational therapist in to assess her and to advise her on safe practical changes to be made in the house to reduce the number of falls. No rugs, no steps, nothing to trip over, no unnecessary furniture. Hand rails where needed. Get her a different zimmer frame if the one she has isn’t secure enough for her. Or a wheelchair or small mobility scooter in the house. All these things a private OT will be able to assist with and at a lower price point than shoving her in a home.
Get her an appointment with the incontinence team from her GP practice.
In a care home she will likely decline quickly. Out of efficiency everything will be done for her. Which initially she may like. But it isn’t good for people. The saying use if of loose it is very very true. Care homes end up deskilling people. Instead look at ways of safely enabling her.

Good care homes do exist, and they’re not necessarily the most expensive, either. Speaking from experience of 4 elderly relatives here - my Dm, FiL, an aunt, and an aunt of dh.
All very well cared for, and my DM lasted very nearly 8 years in hers, until she died at 97.

I will add that we did in each case look at quite a few before choosing, though.

nonevernotever · 14/07/2025 16:51

Some really good points to think about here - thank you to each and every one of you.

Today is one of the worse days and it's really brought home that there aren't any other real options. Mum only recognised her younger grandchild today and was asking them to tell her who her family is. This morning she managed to shower and dress herself, but midway appeared to forget how to move her legs when walking with the Zimmer.

Can anyone recommend practical steps? I know we will need to make an appointment to visit the home (and others if they don't have a vacancy or something doesn't feel right when we visit) and we'll need to speak to mum's financial advisor or a specialist advisor to work out how to maximise her money for her care. Do we need to speak to her GP/the council anyone else at this stage?

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GnomeDePlume · 14/07/2025 16:41

When I think of my DM's care home compared to her own home there are so many things which make my DM's life better than it would otherwise be:

  • her room is set up for someone with severe mobility issues: space, hospital style adjustable bed.
  • her shower room has sufficient space plus a high seat toilet so DM can be assisted
  • the care home has a range of assistance aids so that DM can be safely moved between bed and wheelchair. The staff are trained to use these safely.
  • furniture is designed for people who have mobility issues: sturdy, good height
  • staff are trained and respect that residents have a choice and are facilitated to make choices.

Something I do appreciate with my DM's home is that care is centred on the residents. Sometimes family expect care to take a particular form, the care home prioritises resident needs over family wants.

This last one is especially relevant to me, I have a family member who wants to control all aspects of DM's care without always really having the knowledge to back this up.

CloudPop · 14/07/2025 16:13

I’ve been through the move to care home with multiple grandparents and parents. It is sad and hard but in all cases, it hundred percent was the right choice. They eat better, get their hair done regularly, have some company. My grandmother in particular had a new lease of life. You can’t keep doing what you’re doing now, you’ll break under the strain and also she’s just not safe at home.

catofglory · 14/07/2025 15:44

OP I looked into a live-in carer for my mother too, and came to the same decision in terms of costs. And I didn't think staying home any longer was in her best interests anyway. I agree with the posters who say their relative would have died considerably earlier if left at home.

As you say, there comes a point when mobility aids are little use because the person cannot or will not use them, and they can't safely be left alone.

It is sad when the person's health and mobility declines to the extent they need a care home environment, but it can be a positive option and your mother has even selected the one she wants, so you're following her wishes.

DemonsandMosquitoes · 14/07/2025 13:06

Remember, pre dementia, it’s very unlikely your DM would want you to be living like this in the prime of your life. It’s certainly not a sacrifice I’d like my children to make with jobs, lives, families and opportunities of their own.
I agree it’s CH time. No better use of their assets at this stage.

Rictasmorticia · 14/07/2025 12:13

A care home literally saved my mums life. She was there 5 years until 94 years old. She was very happy. She thought it was her own home.

PinkPhonyClub · 14/07/2025 12:02

I had to move DFather into a care home. He had carers 3 times a day but was bouncing in and out of hospital with falls and infections getting increasingly frail. He was also reluctant to engage with carers helping with personal care. I could see this was going to end with him dead lying on the floor overnight having fallen or an infection carrying him off.

Since going into residential care he has not been in hospital overnight once. He has some falls, mainly because he is stubborn and doesn’t want to use aids, but most the home can handle most and he has only had an ambulance called once when he cut his head and was taken in for an x ray of wrist.

I honestly think he would be dead by now if he had clung on at home. He has a decent quality of life, gets fed a variety of decent foods, has entertainment options and other people to talk to when he wants to.

Do speak to the homes you are interested in and visit, they won’t necessarily have space immediately but the nature of the environment is spaces will come up without notice. Full on charm offensive if there is a lack of places so they call you first as soon as a space appears - you have to move quickly.

do you have POA? If not strongly recommend putting in place if she still has capacity, it makes things 100 times easier.

EmotionalBlackmail · 14/07/2025 11:48

businessflop25 · 13/07/2025 18:34

I’m going to go against the grain on this one. I don’t agree that a care home is her only option. I think you’re kidding yourself that they are nicer and safer than they are.
I have worked in the care sector for over 15 years and have seen the realities of these places. I now work in community based care - for good reason.

You need to get to the bottom of what is worrying her with regards showering with the carers and stress to her that you or your sister helping her is not an option. She needs to accept the carers help. Remind her that if she was in a care home this would be the situation. If she is prepared to accept it in a care home then why is she not accepting it at home.
You need to get her an occupational therapist in to assess her and to advise her on safe practical changes to be made in the house to reduce the number of falls. No rugs, no steps, nothing to trip over, no unnecessary furniture. Hand rails where needed. Get her a different zimmer frame if the one she has isn’t secure enough for her. Or a wheelchair or small mobility scooter in the house. All these things a private OT will be able to assist with and at a lower price point than shoving her in a home.
Get her an appointment with the incontinence team from her GP practice.
In a care home she will likely decline quickly. Out of efficiency everything will be done for her. Which initially she may like. But it isn’t good for people. The saying use if of loose it is very very true. Care homes end up deskilling people. Instead look at ways of safely enabling her.

This isn’t my experience of elderly relative in CH either. Went in (their choice) relatively early, before carers needed, but requiring more than cleaner, gardener and meal deliveries. They were at the stage when being at home was becoming overwhelming, and keeping on top of maintenance causing anxiety. They were very vulnerable to scammers/doorstep callers too. No falls by that point but it was only a matter of time.

CH incredibly positive and gave them a whole new lease of life. They were encouraged to maintain independence and the freedom from worry and the better diet compared to the frozen meals meant they really flourished for the first five years. Made new friends, got involved in activities that interested them. I think the companionship
helped - very miserable sitting eating microwave meals on your own all the time. They have now deteriorated (dementia) and need carer help but that’s eight years on from the initial move into a care home.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 14/07/2025 11:04

How about selling the house and moving her to warden controlled with 4 x care a day?

That's not a good idea. Someone with dementia will inevitably deteriorate, and require 24 hour care. They also never settle in a new house. It's hard enough for them in their old house, where they supposedly know the location of everything. Moving them to a house where they're essentially lost is going to make them even more confused.

GnomeDePlume · 14/07/2025 07:36

My DM (86) moved to a care home from hospital after a fall which resulted in a hip fracture.

Absolutely no regrets. There was no feasible alternative.

A good care home is set up to care for elderly residents. Corridors wide enough, step free shower rooms etc etc.

The staff helping DM know how to safely use the different aids which DM needs to move between bed and wheelchair. They do this far better than hospital staff did.

plasticbookcars · 14/07/2025 07:06

You honestly sound as though you’ve done as much as you can to keep her in her own home for as long as possible. Moving your mum into a home at this stage will hopefully do two things: 1. Ensure she’s safe and well cared for 24/7 and 2. Release you from the constant worry/anxiety of ‘what’s going to happen today’.

When you’re caring for someone at home, you end up putting your whole life on hold and yes that’s a choice many make out of love but it’s also a very, very tough way to live. If the home is one your mum liked the look of (in years gone by) and you’re confident they’ll look after her, then it makes sense to do this now. You can visit whenever you want, help her room to look like ‘home’ and you get the additional benefit of being able to put down some of the crushing mental strain.

chatgptsbestmate · 14/07/2025 05:46

Her house isn't suitable for her any longer

How about selling the house and moving her to warden controlled with 4 x care a day?

We tried Dad at home after a nasty fall and hospital stay but he (at 91) just couldn't cope with the stairs/steps/uneven slabs etc

Toddlerteaplease · 14/07/2025 05:33

You may be able to take the cats to visit. I take mine to visit a friend in a home.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 13/07/2025 22:54

You really, really need not feel guilty @nonevernotever

Your mother needs to be somewhere safe. If you hadn't caught her today, she'd have fallen down the stairs and possibly died.

Please, there is no need at all to try to justify your decision on this thread. Or to anyone in real life. You've done your very best, and it's time your mum was in a place of safety, where she'll get her meals, her medication, and as much help as she needs.