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Cockroach cafe Summer 2025

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BestIsWest · 23/06/2025 08:03

Welcome in to the Cockroach Café Bad Daughters’ Room, the rugs and cushions all fresh and clean for the new season.
Good daughters, find your way to the small room behind the stairs. Sorry it’s not as equipped as here, but it doesn’t get much use.
Come in when you want to share good news, or to rant, or just to hang out with others who understand what you're going through. The way MN works, hopefully this thread won’t appear in any featured lists, and the only people wandering in will be those who understand what it’s all about.
If you have a BIG question, it might be worth giving it its own thread, so as not to swamp this one.
For newbies: why cockroach? Previous long term resident of "Elderly Parents" Yolo's DM attended a 'small animal event' in a nursing home, and was presented with a "small animal with a hard back" the name of which species she couldn't remember. Her ever helpful DB suggested cockroach, and it has become a toast on here. My recent enquiries suggested more people wanted to keep the well known name than wanted to change it to something more savoury, so for the moment it stays.

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countrygirl99 · 08/08/2025 15:59

@tobee that's about the temp my mum has her heating set at. I never worry about heatwaves as I reckon she must be thoroughly acclimatised.

tobee · 08/08/2025 15:10

Having said that I've rechecked and it says 29 degrees for some of next week which might be a bit much. Be sad to cancel it.

tobee · 08/08/2025 15:08

Yes you're right @GnomeDePlume . I just constantly second guess myself. Then third guess etc etc 🙄. In most things really.

Just spoke to mum. I'm still thinking we might have to go heavy (my sister and I) on getting them more support. But I know they'll both be resistant.

Anyway, the good news is I just arranged with mum to take her out to the park next week and she can have the ice cream she was dreaming of when she was in hospital. Mind you she seemed to have non stop ice cream in hospital 😃. But it's different by a lake and the weather forecast looks promising.

GnomeDePlume · 08/08/2025 06:33

@tobee the longer I deal with DM the more I think 'sort it now not later'. In your shoes I would get on the carer app, bugger 'intrusion'!

The risk if you don't is that you will be left trying to sort something in a crisis, without access to all necessary information.

countrygirl99 · 08/08/2025 06:31

When I was working at a bank we had a support group that met once a month. Sometimes people just chatted, shared ideas and moaned generally but often the meeting was taken up with someone 's major issue or comforting someone toin peices over a major issue. I missed it when I left.

BestIsWest · 07/08/2025 23:42

DM likes David Attenborough too and Gordon Buchanan. Anything with Monty Don or Simon Reeves or the Von Tulleken brothers more historical stuff like the plague. She was very excited about the new Pompeii program on BBC2. However she can’t plan and can’t really remember how to use the remote control so nine times out of ten when I go there it’s Tipping Point, Bargain Hunt or Escape to the Country. I try and always leave her with something more interesting on.

I had lunch out today with my lovely friend so that was a welcome break. She’s been there too with her DM. I had coffee this week with a new friend who is going through a similar thing with her 94 year old DM so it’s been good to be able to talk to people who understand.

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tobee · 07/08/2025 22:44

My df used to like to watch tennis, rugby, formula 1, old films, classical music concerts and opera, jazz, the news and current affairs programmes.

Now he's gone off most of that lot and only really watches David Attenborough type programmes. I think he finds the rest hard to hear properly (despite full blast volume and subtitles). Dm says he likes a programme and then goes off it. A bit like a toddler and food they will eat I suppose.

On Monday evening mum rang me and said she couldn't remember lots of things today but when I asked her to say what she wanted me to do she couldn't hear me. She and I tried multiple times, calling and calling, and still she couldn't hear me. Her phone volume has been an issue before. I was yelling top of my voice "TELL ME WHAT YOU NEED?!" But she just said "I can't hear you!" I thought well it could be she can't remember her supermarket order date or similar. So not too worrying. Or it could mean she couldn't remember anything at all. I messaged my sister for the number of an a neighbour of mum's who has helped before by checking on my parents but my sister was at an event, phone off. So in the end dd and I drove down to mum's because I was too worried it was something serious.

We got there at 10.30pm. Dad was long in bed and asleep. Mum was watching a programme about Hiroshima! So that was jolly!! Anyway, she was really pleased we went down and she said she was fine but both her mobile and landline weren't working. Dd and I sorted them out and had a chat and left mum happy after a bit.

I was reasonably happy that mum was all right. But then I got a call early the next morning from mum's older sister who was worried about mum. So I had to help my aunt not worry about my mum. But even though I'd seen my mum since my aunt had spoken to her on the phone, I felt worried again about mum. My sister phoned mum the next day and said my mum sounded much the best she's done since her stroke.

My mum's carer came today. Unlike when dad had his carer I don't have access to the carer update app. I keep thinking I should sign up to it but then worry it would be intrusive. I don't know - that's probably silly isn't it? I'm sure it would be fine really.

GnomeDePlume · 07/08/2025 19:59

@MysterOfwomanY unfortunately DB and I only communicate by text. There would be a record!

To be fair to DB1, he visits DM 6 days out of 7. He was doing this before any of this started (single, retired). I visit 1/7 (work f/t). Now, he sees visiting DM as some sort of sacred duty. Nothing is allowed to get in the way of it. This is his justification for leaving all admin type jobs to me.

The only exception to the admin falling to me rule is managing DM's finances which he keeps to himself (control).

DB2 visits DM occasionally but only when accompanied by DB1. I'm not sure if this is DB1 wanting to chaperone DB2 or DB2 not wanting to go alone. Other than that DB2 has nothing to do with the situation.

MysterOfwomanY · 07/08/2025 19:21

(offers AF beer to all)
Currently driving back from a quickly-planned visit. We were (still are) going to go down next week and take her to a lunch with her sister-in-law, so we didn't have a visit in the calendar this week.
But the texts seemed like they could be tipping over from "busy and engaged" to "about to get worked up about something", and my OH wisely said, "we're free in the afternoon, we could go down...'

A relatively short visit but still over five hours.
Nothing (too!) bad ... but it probably WAS a good idea.

@GnomeDePlume what would happen if you did what you pleased and "didn't recall" whatever a DB said if you deemed it unhelpful? I mean - being so busy, it must be difficult to remember EVERYTHING (cough).

PermanentTemporary · 07/08/2025 15:52

Our trust has the Complex Medicine Unit. It’s essentially 4 geratology wards in a group. A very good idea.

Choconuttolata · 07/08/2025 14:37

I wish my Dad would watch TV in the day, but it has never been part of his routine so he listens to the radio and does crosswords that he can't read and then doesn't know the answers anyway so phones for all the answers. He likes period dramas and travel and nature programs in the evening, I am pretty sure he sleeps through most of them.

Morenicecardigans · 07/08/2025 12:31

MIL likes quizzes. Tipping Point and The Chase seem to be on her TV on a continuous loop.

MotherOfCatBoy · 07/08/2025 11:50

Got to be better than endless bloody Escape to the Country!!

BestIsWest · 07/08/2025 10:32

A positive (of sorts) here too. I put ‘A Very Royal Scandal’ on for DM about the Emily Maitlis interview with Prince Andrew and not only was she riveted, she was able to tell me all about Epstein and Trump. So she is taking in some things (just not anything I tell her).

I might try Clarkson’s farm next.

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GnomeDePlume · 07/08/2025 10:05

A couple of positives:

  • now that DM has lost much of the social veneer it turns out she isn't racist!
  • she finds Clarkson's Farm very soothing. The swearing doesn't worry her (she used to be very 'shocked' by bad language). I am tempted to write to Jeremy to say that his programme should be piped into care homes as a kind of background sedative.
BestIsWest · 07/08/2025 09:57

DM was in a reablement ward for the elderly for about 6 weeks earlier this year and they were pretty good to be fair. She wasn’t, playing merry hell that they were keeping her prisoner in there but the care was excellent. They were understaffed though imho.

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countrygirl99 · 07/08/2025 08:21

I've got a carer info form to fill in for mum. I did a rough copy and then a neat, edited for truthfulness copy for her to sign. Except she won't because the "my routine section" doesn't have the previously regular activities that she doesn't do now either because they haven't run for nearly 2 years or she left that club when she moved away 20 years ago. And the 2 year one she insists her friend picks her up and goes with her except her friend died 3 months ago having been very ill for a few months prior. So it's still in my bag awaiting an opportune moment. As is the Respect form that she won't sign because it says she has Alzheimer's and she insists that's wrong.

GnomeDePlume · 07/08/2025 07:23

@SockFluffInTheBath totally get the rage.

The silo system in hospital creates the comorbidity conundrum. Which ward to put them in when they have several things wrong. We found that DM was viewed as a 'bed blocker' everywhere she was put. What is wrong with her isnt curable. Essentially she is old and various things are slowly giving up.

I did the respect form for DM this week - another admin task delegated by DB. We now have to wait to find out if my say so is good enough or if it will need DM's sign off.

This could be tricky, DM doesnt know she is in a care home. She doesnt know she is 86. She doesnt remember that she cant walk any more. She doesnt remember any of her hospital stays. She doesnt remember the absolute hell of being in a busy, noisy A&E through the night.

SockFluffInTheBath · 07/08/2025 06:50

When MIL was admitted after falling and being diagnosed with leukaemia she was moved from the dementia ward to a ward for elderly people with cancer (can’t remember the proper term) and they had no idea how to handle her Alzheimer’s. They said she was uncooperative because when they left food and meds on her tray she couldn’t take them unassisted. The system wouldn’t pay for her live in carer to be with her as she was being cared for in hospital 🙄 so we paid for her carer to do day shift while MIL was in. It was utterly shambolic. The ward sister stood with her hands on her hips asking DH why she wouldn’t eat. More and more these days I find myself filling with rage.

countrygirl99 · 07/08/2025 05:27

Dad was on an elder care ward but there was at least one nurse that didn't understand dementia. It was during COVID so no visitors. He didn't have it but she couldn't understand that she couldn't expect mum to remember anything and pass updates to family even though his notes said all updates to DB as wife has Alzheimer's. Caused total chaos when she phoned mum about discharge arrangements and the nurse couldn't understand why.

tobee · 06/08/2025 22:31

☹️ @MotherOfCatBoy

I believe hearing difficulties can contribute to dementia issues as well; that's not talked about much either. Makes sense though.

that's not talked about much - elderly care and life experience isn't talked about much at all.

Lots of talk about living longer but not what that entails for people personally. And in society.

MotherOfCatBoy · 06/08/2025 22:18

My DAunt first exhibited « proper » dementia after a fall which broke her shoulder and she was in hospital for some time. She couldn’t remember how she got there and was totally confused by hospital. She never really recovered, it was the start of a 2 year slide from there. Before that she had been repetitive and maybe struggling slightly but after the fall it hastened everything and she was never the same person again.

tobee · 06/08/2025 22:18

Actually I just googled myself and see that they do still exist; at my local hospital at least

tobee · 06/08/2025 22:15

Do nhs hospitals still have "geriatric wards"? Or as that not considered a useful thing any more?

tobee · 06/08/2025 22:14

I think that's an area of difficulty that you barely hear about @GnomeDePlume. All the different issues the elderly often have. I should imagine, as people live longer and longer, this will get more of an issue. But hopefully ordinary people in the population will be aware and primed to look out. HCP will be more tuned in. But resources will be more stretched.

DF had delirium in hospital after his minor heart attack and we'd not heard of it in this context before. It was also 2020 so Covid restrictions meant no one could visit to compound the issue. He'd also never had a hospital stay before.